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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Tim Hardin
From: Rob
2. Re: Bobby Russell on Hit
From: Jeff Lemlich
3. more Mark Thatcher to musica
From: Tom Diehl
4. Re: I. Kadez on Hit
From: Stabler
5. Re: Hit label
From: Paul Urbahns
6. Re: Nightriders - "It's Only The Dog"; Ludix
From: Artie Wayne
7. Re: duplicated catalogue numbers
From: Various
8. Re: Stacy, the label
From: Gary Myers
9. Re: "Do The Blue Beat" (Ray Rivera & Mark Thatcher versions)
From: Lyn Nuttall
10. Frankie Valli version of "Natural Morning"?
From: Eddy Smit
11. Re: duelling Dick Dales
From: Tony Waitekus
12. Re: Lou Christie's "Original Sinner"
From: Clark Besch
13. Re: Nightriders/Idle Race CD situation
From: Scott Charbonneau
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:26:23 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Tim Hardin
Bill Reed wrote:
> "Tim came on stage looking like a Teddy Bear that had all the
> stuffing pulled out, water poured all over it and left out in the sun
> for a week. But when he opened his mouth to sing he still
> sounded like an angel."
Yes, and Tim's Homecoming Concert CD, from 1980, is also astounding.
His singing is full of such emotion and depth in this concert that you can't
help but be overcome with emotion yourself when you hear it. Mind-blowing
stuff.
Rob
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:49:15 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Bobby Russell on Hit
Phil M. asked:
> Did Bobby Russell ever, as has been said about Sandy Posey,
> wind up doing the Hit cover of any of his own hits?
Sort of. How about the original version, AND cover version of a song, all
rolled into one? Bobby Russell did the original version of "Sure Gonna
Miss Her" (his composition), several months before Gary Lewis & The
Playboys made it a hit. It came out under the title "I'm Going To Miss Her"
on the album "Current Hits Vol. 27", and on a single on Hit (as "Sure
Gonna Miss Her") by the imaginary group The Chellows.
At this point it wasn't a cover, since the song had not yet reached the
charts. It was one of several originals by Bobby Russell and/or Bergen
White that was used as B-sides and album filler at the time.
AFTER Gary Lewis scored with the song, the folks at Hit put it out again,
but this time under the name Ed Hardin. This "appeared" to be a cover
version, but Spectropoppers know better. :-)
After Russell's songwriting career took off in 1968, the Hit label had a field
day covering his songs. Their "26 Top Hits" album had "Honey" as the
top-billed song (written in giant letters on the cover), and it's interesting
to note there were three-year-old Bobby Russell tracks tacked on to the
release. On a later 1968 album, mixed in with covers of psychedelic hits
such as "Hello I Love You" and "Sunshine Of Your Love", what do we find?
The three-year-old Bobby Russell original recording of "Sure Gonna Miss
Her", making yet another appearance. Recycling at its finest.
On "Sure Gonna Miss Her", Gary Lewis was covering Bobby Russell, but
in the strange world of the Hit label, Bobby Russell was able to cover Gary
Lewis as well, recording versions of songs such as "She's Just My Style"
and "Green Grass".
Re: The Gentrys and Hit Records, I recall hearing that Larry Butler of the
group played piano on some sessions for Hit and Spar.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:53:16 -0000
From: Tom Diehl
Subject: more Mark Thatcher to musica
Lyn Nuttall wrote:
> Following the good response to my previous posts about the Mark
> Barkan-Ben Raleigh song "Do The Blue Beat (The Jamaican Ska)"
> I've posted Mark Thatcher's 1964 version to musica.
I am quite familiar with the name Mark Thatcher, having recently
acquired a promotional copy of his only 45 for the Diamond label (D-250),
"Tell Him You've Got Someone Else" b/w "Did You Give The World Some
Love Today, Babe?" My copy is in horrible shape, but I cleaned it up as
best I could and played the A-side to musica. I then sent Mark's "Do The
Blue Beat" side to a friend of mine here at school who is a ska aficionado,
but he hated it, saying it was more soul than ska due to the horns and the
lack of syncopated guitar rhythms. Either way, enjoy "Tell Him ..."
Does anyone have any info on Mark? Is he still alive, and if so, doing what
these days?
Tom "Diamond Hunter" Diehl
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:56:05 -0000
From: Stabler
Subject: Re: I. Kadez on Hit
Paul Urbahns wrote:
> Bobby Russell did about 90 percent of the white lead vocals
> on Hit ...
So Bobby Russell was most likely the mysterious I. Kadez who did
the Hit version of "Louie Louie". But since "I. Kadez" is such an odd
construction, what is the meaning? Could be "I Can Dance" or "1 K
(kilo) a day" or "Zedaki" backwards or something else. Any other
guesses?
Clay S.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:46:46 EST
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Re: Hit label
Phil M. asked:
> Did Russell ever, as has been said about Sandy Posey, wind
> up doing the Hit cover of any of his own hits?
The Sandy Posey songs were sung by music industry veteran Ricky Page.
Bobby Russell did all his original compositions on Hit as far as I can tell
as soundalikes.
David wrote:
> Never have found out whether the John Preston on the Hit version
> of Walking Proud" (orig. by Johnny Crawford?) is the same as
> Johnny Preston who did "Running Bear."
Nope, that's another made-up name.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:29:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Nightriders - "It's Only The Dog"; Ludix
Phil Milstein wrote:
> ... I am sure the Wayne in this credit was not him but
> rather our own Artie Wayne, who a year prior to this
> 1966 release produced a version of "It's Only The Dog"
> on The Kingsmen, for Wand.
Phil ... How ya'doin'? What a surprise -- I never knew we had a cover
on "It's Only The Dog". I'd love to hear it.
> The publishing credit on "It's Only The Dog" reads "Ludix
> Music," which I imagine refers to Scepter/Wand A&R chief
> Luther Dixon. The book I'm currently reading, Genya Ravan's
> memoir "Lollipop Lounge," cryptically refers to Dixon as
> "aka Barney Williams." Anyone know what that means?
> It also refers to him as "Florence Greenberg's boyfriend,"
> which is news to me.
Yes, Luther Dixon was the long-time boyfriend of Florence Greenberg,
who owned Scepter Records.
Regards,
Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:32:54 -0800
From: Various
Subject: Re: duplicated catalogue numbers
A wrap-up of responses to Chris Rowling's comment and question on
duplicate catalogue numbers:
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Chris Rowling wrote:
> In my 5000-strong collection of sixties 45s there is only one
> single on the Hit label and that is Chuck Reed's Just Plain
> Hurt, but according to these listings there were two releases
> with the catalogue number #101, the other one being The
> Belles' Boy Next Door.
Jeff Lemlich:
Despite the Nashville address, I'm pretty sure this Hit label is not related
to the soundalike label.
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> Does anyone know any other instances of the same catalogue
> number being used twice?
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Gary Myers:
Lenny LaCour had several labels in Chicago and Milwaukee during the
'60s-'70s and he reused numbers all the time, sometimes more than
twice. It's a discographer's nightmare!
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Hasse Huss:
The first one that springs to mind is Philles 123, Darlene Love’s
wonderful "Stumble And Fall" / "(He's A) Quiet Guy", which was
withdrawn, the catalogue number given to The Ronettes "Walking
In The Rain" / "How Does It Feel?". From the brief time in 1964
(at age 12) that I was on the Philles mailing list, I am the proud
owner of the Darlene Love single!
For a truly disorganised catalogue, look no further than the late Rufus
Mitchell’s great Ru-Jac label. There were at least six records given only
three numbers in the erratic series, the best of which are: Ru-Jac 0017,
which designates both Winfield Parker's "I Love You Just The Same" (the
earlier, rarer version) / "My Love" and Rita Doryse's "Please Let Me Love You"
/ "Goodie Goodie"; and Ru-Jac 0020, which is both Winfield Parker's "Sweet
Little Girl" / "What Do You Say" and the very scarce "I Can't Stay Away" /
"Who Can It Be" by The Caressors. Discographies list the excellent "It's
Love I Need" / "Sweetheart" by Kitty Lane (at one point the Baltimore
company's receptionist) as Ru-Jac 0019; I have it on Ru-Jac 0018, a
number also given to The Henchmen's "She Still Loves You" / "Think
Of Me".
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:44:14 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Stacy, the label
Max Weiner wrote:
> I just aquired a vintage Al Casey 45 from James Holvay. It was
> issued on STACY Records out of Chicago. Would anybody have
> any input on this label, and maybe an idea who else recorded on it?
I've recently been in touch with a guy who knows a lot about it. I'll forward
your question to him. Also, there was a Wisconsin connection to a few
Stacy releases, and there is a discog. in Ken Clee's Stak-O-Wax.
gem
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 07:38:47 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: "Do The Blue Beat" (Ray Rivera & Mark Thatcher versions)
Davie Gordon wrote:
> It looks as if they were issued more or less simultaneously.
> Curious that both singles couple both the same songs --
> that must be pretty unusual.
Thanks once again, Davie. I've updated my page with your contribution.
http://poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=685
The double-sided duplication is interesting: it reminds me of the
Diamonds covering both sides of The Rays' "Silhouettes " /"Daddy Cool,"
but no doubt there are other cases.
Lyn
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:07:46 +0100
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Frankie Valli version of "Natural Morning"?
Has Frankie Valli's version of the Mark Radice song "Natural Morning"
ever been released anywhere?
Eddy
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:32:06 -0600
From: Tony Waitekus
Subject: Re: duelling Dick Dales
Clark Besch asked:
> What's with this new Lawrence Welk Band tour and Dick Dale
> being a part of that with people like Big "Tiny" Little?
Lawrence Welk's Dick Dale had been on Welk's TV show for many years
as a singer and sax player. He was hired by Welk from the polka band
The Six Fat Dutchmen. The surf guitar Dick Dale is a different person.
Tony Waitekus
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 15:38:35 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Lou Christie's "Original Sinner"
Wes Smith wrote:
> Although by now probably known by most, in case there may be
> any lingering doubts as to who sang backups on the Lou Christie
> "Lightnin' Strikes" sessions, with the release of the Lou Christie
> compilation "Original Sinner Man (Very Best Of The MGM
> Recordings)," thanks to Harry Young's meticulous research.
Work is underway for the Columbia stuff on CD now, so everyone get
those Lou "Sinner Man" CDs and start playin them so you'll be ready
when "Self Expressionism"* comes out.
Clark
*That is not the name of the CD ... yet!
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:36:41 -0000
From: Scott Charbonneau
Subject: Re: Nightriders/Idle Race CD situation
Both sides of "It's Only The Dog" / "Your Friend" were granted a legitimate
reissue when EMI put out the 2-CD Idle Race anthology "Back To The
Story" in 1996. Long out-of-print, when this CD turns up on eBay these
days it commands almost as much money as The Nightriders 45 itself
does. There had been rumblings last year about an Idle Race box set
from EMI, but nothing more seems to have developed on it.
Scott
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