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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Avons meet Clifford Curry on the Night Train to Nashville
From: Mick Patrick
2. The Nightriders
From: Eddy
3. Re: The Flirtations
From: Nick Archer
4. Re: The death of vinyl
From: Steve Harvey
5. Re: Nico / Tim Hardin / Lenny Bruce
From: Steve Harvey
6. Re: song lyrics
From: Stephane Rebeschini
7. Re: Both sides covered
From: Artie Wayne
8. Re: Claire and Artie sitting in a tree ...
From: Artie Wayne
9. Re: "Baby It's You"
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Don Grady
From: Den
11. Re: Petula Clark in person
From: Anthony Parsons
12. Re: The Nightriders - It's Only The Dog / C'mon Let's Cut this movie to shreds
From: Bill George
13. Re: Attention Chantal Goya Fans !!
From: Dave Monroe
14. Vanilla Pop
From: James Botticelli
15. Re: Larry Welk
From: Phil X Milstein
16. Re: rampant Thatcherism
From: Lyn Nuttall
17. Re: The Nightriders
From: Claire Francis
18. The Grammy-Winning Avons
From: David Bell
19. Re: Luther Dixon aka Barney Williams
From: Alan Warner
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:19:14 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: The Avons meet Clifford Curry on the Night Train to Nashville
Skip Woolwine wrote:
> See: http://tinyurl.com/4hf54 The Grammies are Sunday Night.
> In Saturday's Nashville Tennessean 2/12/05, there is an
> extensive story about the Grammy Nomination of "Night Train
> To Nashville: Music City Rhythm & Blues, 1945-1970" for Best
> Historical Album. They include a sidebar with a photo of my
> friend, whom my band frequently backs, Clifford Curry and
> his reaction to his 1967 "She Shot A Hole In My Soul"
> (produced by Buzz Cason) being on that compilation, and its
> being nominated for a Grammy.
I see the "Night Train To Nashville" CD won the Grammy. It's a
great piece of work and deserved to win. Mind you, I don't know
what the competition was. Whatever, congratulate the Grammy-
winning Clifford Curry for me. His featured track is great.
David Bell:
> One of the girl groups I've really got into after lots of
> recommendations is the Avons, who recorded for a variety of
> labels, mostly emanating from Nashville - Groove, A-Bet,
> Sound Stage Seven, Excello and Ref-O-Ree. I recall a
> conversation I had with Mick a couple of years ago about the
> group and I remember him saying that they recorded under
> aliases for the Hit label. Does anyone have a listing of what
> they recorded and under which names?
Don't quote me, but I think the Avons recorded for the Hit
label as Jenny & the Jewels - all Motown songs. No doubt you'll
be scouring eBay? Do keep us informed what you score.
Actually, the Avons are also featured on "Night Train To
Nashville". So I guess that from now on we should refer to them
as "The Grammy-Winning Avons".
The CDs come with an excellent booklet, with excellent notes
written by Ron Wynn and Michael Gray. Here's what the latter
has to say on the Avons:
"Like the Hytones, the female trio the Avons benefited from
Bob Holmes's management, production, songwriting, and
arranging talents. He secured the vocal group a recording deal
with Excello and visibility on (the TV show) Night Train. Paula
Hester and sisters Beverly and Fran Bard met at Pearl High
School in Nashville but fashioned a sound closer to Motown than
to the southern soul of Sound Stage 7."
Night Train was like an all-black Nashville version of Shindig.
thankfully, footage of the Avons has survived.
The group have several songs available spread across numerous
CDs. If anyone's interested I could try to compile a list. In
the meantime, I have posted a great track by the group to
musica. Details are:
The Avons "Rolling Stone" (Groove 58-0033, 1964), written by
Robert Riley, produced by Bob Ferguson. Listen to it here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
I've also posted a picture of the group to the S'pop Photos
area. View it here: http://tinyurl.com/3lpku
Now I need a lie down, and some toast.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:18:33 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: The Nightriders
Since there seems to be a bit of a demand, I've uploaded the
Nightriders 45 up to Musica. Unfortunately it's still in Real
Audio. However, the much discussed Ebay auction was won by a
friend of mine, so an mp3 is in the works ! But do note that
the track has been released on the UK OOP Idle Race 2cd set !
Eddy
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:08:14 -0600
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: The Flirtations
James wrote:
> Legendary Girl Group Singers came across another "Blues and Soul"
> article from 1974 promoting the Flirtations' single "Dirty Work."
> I can post the article if anyone wants it icludes a rare picture
> of the group.
I was visiting Radio Luxembourg in 1980 and got a tour from one of the
DJs, Bob Stewart. In passing he mentioned that one of the Flirtations
had gotten a job as a presenter on Radio Luxembourg. Does anyone know
who that was?
Nick Archer
Check out Nashville's classic pop and soft rock radio station SM95,
now streaming at http://www.live365.com/stations/nikarcher
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:01:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The death of vinyl
Matt Spero wrote:
> It is possible they have their own vinyl pressing units. . . I'm
> sure they are out there from companies that have shut down. . .
> I even know someone who has the equipment in their garage to make
> pressings.
I knew a guy who had a pressing and cutting lathe in his bedroom.
Did stuff for rockabilly bands that wanted their music out on vinyl.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:57:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Nico / Tim Hardin / Lenny Bruce
Nico was over in Spain and fell off her bicycle. She hit her head
and died from her injuries. I met her once at some club in Jersey
called Alexanders. She signed all her lps that I had brought along.
Nice enough.
Tim Hardin also had a great tribute to Hank Williams too.
Norm D:
> And to bring the circle back to Lenny Bruce - he told the story,
> on one of his records, about actor Bela Lugosi, who was a junkie
> for years, "he cleans up, then drops dead".
Of course, Lenny never cleaned up and dropped dead too. Drugs have
a way of eating you up inside for a long time before they kill you
later. I look at friends that did booze and drugs in their youth.
You look at them now and they look older than their parents.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:07:47 +0100
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: song lyrics
Steve Jarrell:
> A caller called my radio show today and said that she had been
> looking for 30+ years for a song with a repeated lyric phrase,
> "The children of St. Monica". She said she thought it came out
> between 1966-68. Any idea?
That's possibly Don Grady with The Windupwatchband (pre Yellow
Balloon) : "The Children Of St. Monica". You can find it on the
Sundazed reissue CD of the Yellow Balloon album.
All the best,
Stephane
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:42:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Both sides covered
Joe...How ya' doin"? More interesting A side and B-Side covers were
Buddy Holly's versions of of Bobby Darin's "Early in the Morning" b/w
"Now Wer'e One". As I remember, it sounded like the same tracks were
used, which was highly unlikely. I'd guess they were both cut in New
York with the same musicians and background singers.
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:55:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Claire and Artie sitting in a tree ...
Claire...How ya' doin'? If I may finish that rhyme...
"Claire and Artie sitting in a tree...
waiting for our royalties!"
Aren't writers and producers supposed to get 50% of
the income from a sale on E-Bay ?
regards, Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com/
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:43:06 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Baby It's You"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> As I understand it, Burt Bacharach and Mack David wrote a song
> entitled "I'll Cherish You", and made a demo disc thereof,
> featuring Burt himself on backing vocals. Luther Dixon, the
> Shirelles' producer, liked the song but wanted "darker" lyrics,
> so wrote new ones, using his brother's name to do so. He then
> recorded the Shirelles'"Baby It's You" over the backing track of
> the original demo.
While shopping for groceries this afternoon, "Baby It's You" came over
the store's PA -- a great thing indeed to squeeze zucchinis to. Hearing
it anew, with our thread on it fresh (to maintain the grocery theme) in
mind, reminded me to ask if anyone knows what type of organ plays on the
track. That trebly solo, while not quite in Max Crook territory, is
still pretty close to the stratosphere.
"Baby It's You" is so well-constructed a song that it seems hard to
ruin. Consequently, I've never heard a cover version that I didn't like,
although none nearly as much as I do The Shirelles' original. However,
didn't Vanilla Fudge also record it? If so I don't think I've heard
their's, and I hold out the possibility that it might not do it for me.
--Phil M.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:07:33 -0500
From: Den
Subject: Don Grady
I think Don Grady was Chip, or one of Fred MacMurray's other
"sons" in My Three Sons.
Den
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:39:18 -0600
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Petula Clark in person
Bill Mulvy:
> I am also a big Petula Clark fan. I would highly recommend the
> Petula Clark DVD, Live in Paris. The performance is excellent.
> Circuit City dot com sells it online. Also Petula will be appearing
> live with Andy Williams (separately), in Branson Missouri in the
> spring and fall of this year. I think each run is for six straight
> weeks. She is also doing some east coast dates as well.
Thanks for the heads up, Bill. As you might guess, I was already
aware of the DVD and the accompanying CD, but I haven't gotten them
yet. However, I was not aware of Petula's plans to appear in
Branson. I appreciate you letting me know. I'm planning, if all
goes well, to travel to Branson late this year to see the Lennon
Sisters, so if I can get in a peek at Pet as well, I'd consider
myself very lucky.
Speaking of the Lennon Sisters, I know they're not really Spectropop
material, but I recently pulled out their version of Hit The Road
Jack and was very pleasantly surprised. I played it for my cousin,
who leans more toward the r&b side of the Spectropop rainbow, and he
said the same thing he said when I played him the Shangri-Las'
version of the Ikettes hit I'm Blue and that was "Not bad for white
girls!"
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:36:42 -0000
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: The Nightriders - It's Only The Dog / C'mon Let's Cut this movie to shreds
Any chance of getting The Nightriders' "It's Only The Dog" posted
to musica as an mp3 file? Thanks!
And let's all write AMC letters complaining about cutting Jackie
DeShannon's songs from Cmon On Let's Live A Little. Would they cut
Natalie Wood's songs out of West Side Story?!?
Bill
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:47:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Attention Chantal Goya Fans !!
Nicole Diaz-Ordaz wrote:
> Godard re-release Masculine Feminine (1966):
> http://www.rialtopictures.com/masculine.html
And watch for the Francoise Hardy and Brigitte Bardot cameos
as well --> http://imdb.com/title/tt0060675/fullcredits
Thanks again ...
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:03:19 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Vanilla Pop
I just got my hands on the new book by Joseph Lanza (author of
"Elevator Music") called "Vanilla Pop". Mr. Lanza provides all the
intellectual evidence one needs as he persuasively argues that
Non-Jazz/Non- R&B/Non-'Driven' music embraced by Spectropoppers is
not only valid, but the actual 'thesis' of which the above
mentioned musical forms are the antithesis. He steps through the
culturally sanctioned looking glass and gives a well-thought out
assertion of appreciation of 'vanilla pop' on its own merits.
Interestingly he uses Billy Joel as an artist torn between the two
ends of the spectrum. Apparently Joel, when being inducted into the
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, suggested he was merely an imitator of
'real' music which he said is R&B. He categorizes Rock 'n' Roll as
bastardized R&B. Lanza not only successfully disputes Joel, asking
how the writer of the apparently R&B influenced "We Didn't Start
The Fire" also wrote the Vanilla Pop influenced "Just The Way You
Are", but argues the validity of the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame
itself. Its a breath of fresh air, long overdue......A must read
for Spectropoppers IMHO...
Thanks for the space.
JB/dismounting pulpit
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:13:30 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Larry Welk
Chris Brame wrote:
> Yes, but it works better with the proper pronunciation:
> "I really like-ed the sound of-a 'Pipe-a-line-ah'; it was a great-a
> little-a record-a py poys so young-ah."
Believe it or not, Welk was born and entirely raised in the U.S.
However, he grew up in an isolated enclave of German immigrants in, I
believe, Nebraska, thus accounting for his accent.
--Phil M.
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:46:42 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: rampant Thatcherism
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Are you guys jokin' about This Mark Thatcher being the same as That
> Mark Thatcher?
Oh dear, I hope I didn't give the impression that he was, but perhaps
one should spell it out, for the record, in case there's any doubt:
it's an amusing coincidence of names, nothing more. (I can already
picture some eager Googler of the future citing the thread as evidence
that Sir Mark was a schoolboy bluebeat singer.)
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:52:48 EST
From: Claire Francis
Subject: Re: The Nightriders
Eddy wrote:
> Since there seems to be a bit of a demand, I've uploaded the
> Nightriders 45 up to Musica. Unfortunately it's still in Real
> Audio. However, the much discussed Ebay auction was won by a
> friend of mine, so an mp3 is in the works ! But do note that
> the track has been released on the UK OOP Idle Race 2cd set !
Thanks Eddy, I can't wait to hear it! I tried to play it from
musica, but it didn't work for me. Oh how I wish I knew how to
work this iMack X0 !!
Love & Light,
Claire Francis
http://www.clairefrancis.com
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:52:54 EST
From: David Bell
Subject: The Grammy-Winning Avons
Mick Patrick:
> Don't quote me, but I think the Avons recorded for the Hit
> label as Jenny & the Jewels - all Motown songs. No doubt you'll
> be scouring eBay? Do keep us informed what you score.
Well, true to type, Mick, I went straight onto Ebay and there's nowt
by Jenny and the Jewels up for grabs. But I'm a persistent little
beggar!
However, I did see Quicksand by the Georgettes. On the videotape that
several people have, don't the Grammy winning Avons do that song on
Night Train? Or is my memory as bad as it usually is on Saturday
night?
This gets more and more intriguing.
David
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:42:58 -0800
From: Alan Warner
Subject: Re: Luther Dixon aka Barney Williams
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Yes, Luther Dixon is alive. Florence Greenberg had great taste
> in men, and producers. Luther Dixon is one of the greatest
> producers who ever lived.
Agreed, Luther Dixon was a superb producer. He also had great
taste in the opposite sex because his first wife was Inez Foxx!
FYI, Luther and Inez wrote "I Love You 1000 Times" which charted
for The Platters in 1966 when they were on Musicor around the
same time that Inez and her brother Charlie were recording for
Musicor's Dynamo subsidiary.
Rock on!
Alan
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