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There are 22 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Low Grades - Orlons?
From: Joe Nelson
2. Eddie Hodges on CD
From: John Berg
3. Re: John D. Loudermilk
From: Anthony Parsons
4. Drum-less
From: Shawn Nagy
5. "Beg Borrow and Steal"
From: Bill Mulvy
6. Re: "Secret"; "Just An Ordinary Girl" demo.
From: Julio Niņo
7. Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
From: Steve Harvey
8. Re: "Secret"; Canada
From: Country Paul
9. Re: "Low Grades"
From: Paul Urbahns
10. Re: Farmer's Daughter
From: Eddy Smit
11. Re: Eddie Hodges's Secret
From: Chris A Schneider
12. Re: ATV House/Pye Studios
From: Bob Rashkow
13. Re: Adam's Apples
From: Davie Gordon
14. Re: bubblegum reunion
From: Bill Mulvy
15. Re: Joy Byers
From: Gary Myers
16. One More Showing of "C'mon" on AMC March 3rd
From: Mark Hill
17. Re: Canadian R&R
From: Shawn Nagy
18. Re: Gates Of Eden / Wayne Newton? demo
From: Brent Cash
19. Heaven Fell Last Night - The Browns
From: Joe Nelson
20. New Release: The Late '60s: 25 Top 10 Hits
From: ModGirl
21. Re: The Teddy Bears
From: Joe Nelson
22. Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:44:09 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Low Grades - Orlons?
I wrote:
> I'll try to pass along the track to Steve and see if he remembers a
> session of the sort.
Jeff Lemlich:
> Please do, Joe. This may be a coincidence, but ... Joy Byers, who
> wrote "Low Grades", also wrote "Them Terrible Boots" by The Orlons.
> If that's not The Orlons on the demo, it could well be that it was
> cut in their style to try to entice them to record this track, too.
Steve Caldwell hasn't answered me yet, but I'm in doubt that the group
ever did anything in Nashville. But as you said, even if that's not
the Orlons proper on the demo it may well have been recorded with the
intention of pitching the song to them.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:36:34 EST
From: John Berg
Subject: Eddie Hodges on CD
I've seen a legit CD comp of Eddie Hodges songs on sale in a few shops,
but alas none that had his version of "Shadows & Reflections".
Fortunately I was able to obtain that song via a Spectropop friend!
But you should be able to use Google or Gemm to track down a copy of
the Hodges CD, which focuses on his earlier music.
John Berg
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:54:45 -0600
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: John D. Loudermilk
Country Paul:
> I also hadn't realized that Loudermilk wrote "Heaven Fell Last Night,"
> the B-sdie of "The Three Bells" done by the Brown. They are one of my
> favorite groups, and this is one of my favorite songs. Sadly, I only
> have a very crackly copy of the 45; the song seems not to have found
> its way onto an album or CD. Might some kind soul be tempted to play
> it to musica, please?
Just listened to this track and I now feel it's far too country-sounding
to post to musica. Not that I'm against country, mind you. Connie Smith
is my second favorite singer ever, exceeded only by Lesley Gore. But I
don't want to stray too far from the spectropop genre and it's my opinion
that Heaven Fell Last Night by The Browns is not even "countrypolitan".
That said, I'd be happy to attempt to e-mail a file of the song to you,
since it seems it has only been released on CD in the Bear Family box set.
Also thought you'd want to know that according to the session notes in
the booklet, John D. Loudermilk plays guitar on the track, as do Chet
Atkins and Bob Moore, with Floyd Cramer on piano and Buddy Harman on drums.
It was recorded June 1, 1959 in the RCA Victor studio in Nashville. Hope
this has been helpful!
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:10:23 -0000
From: Shawn Nagy
Subject: Drum-less
I even have an instance here of a drum-less release. Mel West & The
Meteors of Regina, Sask. recorded their local hit "Sad & Blue" with
drums (stereo), but come mixdown time, the right channel (with the
drums) didn't make the mono mix for some reason. The 45 has not much
beat as you can imagine, but with an upcoming release on my label
the correct recording will be heard. Perhaps there are other
instances like this where something of major importance didn't make
the mix due to some oversight.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:39:06 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: "Beg Borrow and Steal"
Clark, "Beg, Borrow and Steal" has three versions that I know of.
The one by the Ohio Express has a train sound preceding the song on
their LP. The other two versions were by The Rare Breed. The mono
version is faster than the stereo version found on their album
Bill Mulvy.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:46:19 -0000
From: Julio Niņo
Subject: Re: "Secret"; "Just An Ordinary Girl" demo.
Hola Everybody.
John DeAngelis about Eddie Hodges "Secret":
> The part of the song that goes "A secret, a secret, we want to
> tell our secret" is "borrowed" from another song that escapes
> my memory at the moment. Can anybody help?.
Hola John, the notes of the part of the song that goes "...So we
wonīt have to meet in secret anymore" reminds me of Rumours
(by the way, another Greenfield /Miller song ), concretely the part
of the song that says "So donīt believe the Rumours anymore....".
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
> Speaking of which, it was clear that the third Kenny Young demo,
> "Just An Ordinary Girl", was written with Wayne Newton in mind.
> So what do y'all think -- was that Newton on vocals on the demo,
> or was it someone merely emulating his style?
Hola Jeff, Iīm not very good identifying voices but I would say the
singer of the demo is not Wayne. It wouldnīt surprise me if it
turns out to be Kenny Young himself, his voice can change
surprisingly from one song to another.
Chao.
Julio Niņo.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:50:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
About a year ago my guitar teacher told he had thrown out a mildewy
vest that Chris Curtis had given him back at the Star Club in '62.
When I made a CDR of Searchers stuff I put on Chris' version of
"I'll Be Doggone" from his solo years. Even though he disappeared
from the charts Chris continued to influence rock by being the
catalyst behind the formation of Deep Purple. A sad day for Brit
Invasion lovers.
Steve
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:07:04 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: "Secret"; Canada
Julio Niņo wrote:
> "Secret" by Eddie Hodges ... I particularly like the rhythm
> track and the strings arrangement of the song.
It also has shades of "She Cried" by Jay & The Americans, my favorite by
that group.
Mike Bennidict re: Canadian R&R:
> [W]as there just not a lot of acts out of the country or if
> there were more why did they not make it?
Don't know. My favorite from that era was The Esquires' "So Many Other Boys"
[Capitol of Canada, 1964-65]. Also, don't forget Ronnie Hawkins and The
Hawks. Les Emmerson's Five Man Electrical Band was right at the end of the
60s, and they were a successful export. Remember, too, that two of the
biggest names launched in the 60s were Canadian -- Neil Young and Joni
Mitchell -- but they had to go stateside to be heard. And from Francophone
Canada, the entire Charlebois organization had a string of top-flight material
and many hits. But for details of these, I defer to Michel and Denis in this
group; they're the scholars, I'm the dilletante on this subject.
Country Paul
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:57:26 EST
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Re: "Low Grades"
previously:
> "Low Grades" by an uncredited demo group on the current
> set of tunes available for listening is perhaps The Orlons?
It's got that Cameo Parkway sound all right, but unless there were two
Bradley Studios, this one was cut in Nashville, not Philadelphia. Bradley's
studio became Columbia Studio in Nashville. But my guess it is about
1961-'62 vintage.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:33:14 +0100
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Re: Farmer's Daughter
Country Paul asked:
> This is a complete unknown to me, Eddy. Any more info, please?
In the meantime you may have seen my follow-up message (28174) on
the subject. Here's a comment from Brad Elliott :
"The Basil Swift & The Seegrams parody of Farmer's Daughter was
conceived by Nick Venet and Danny Hutton. Venet recalls that while he
was occupied elsewhere, Hutton and Brian cut the vocals for the song.
The off-key falsetto lead is obviously Brian."
Eddy
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:10:41 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Chris A Schneider
Subject: Re: Eddie Hodges's Secret
John DeAngelis wrote:
> The part of the song that goes, "a secret, a secret, we want to
> tell our secret" is "borrowed" from another song that escapes
> my memory at the moment.
I haven't heard the Hodges yet, and I don't know if this applies, but ... The
song "If This Isn't Love" (music: Burton Lane; words: E.Y. Harburg) begins
with these words:
A secret, a secret,
I've got a little secret ...
Probably it's a common-enough phrase, but -- *quien sabe*?
Sarah Vaughan can be heard performing it very nicely on "Linger Awhile:
Live at Newport and More" (Pablo PACD-2312-144-2). It comes from a
live 1957 performance at the Newport Festival.
And might this be the right place to recommend two mid-'50s singles with
which Vaughan attempted to capture Bill Haley's listenership? They're
"Hey, Naughty Papa!" and "Hot and Cold Runnin' Tears." Not exactly
epochal, but ... they certainly are fun.
Chris
(who has all too few secrets)
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:02:25 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: ATV House/Pye Studios
Richard Williams wrote:
> ATV House was a horrible early-60's office block. ...
Well, hopefully someone will fund a plaque! BTW not to discount in any
way shape or form the importance of Muscle Shoals, especially to tons
of great soul music.
Bobster
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:22:18 -0000
From: Davie Gordon
Subject: Re: Adam's Apples
Mark wrote:
> According to my friend Gene Merideth, "You Are The One
> I Love" was also recorded by The Leaders on Blue Rock.
Thanks, Mark -- I'd completely forgotten about that one. Adam's Apples
predates The Leaders' version by about 8 months. Adam's Apples is from
03/68, The Leaders from 12/68.
I'll have to get round to finishing off a Paul Leka listing I've had on the go
forever.
Davie
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:31:58 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: bubblegum reunion
Boomer wrote:
> I am hoping to create a "reunion" of about 4 or 5 former Bubblegum
> Music performing artists who might be interested in performing
> together ...
Having seen the Raspberries in concert this past January, I would definitely
not classify their music as "bubblegum", whatsoever. The McCoys do not
strike me as bubblegum either. I'll add one for you -- The Yellow Balloon.
I do like your idea, though a lot of groups might take offense to the reference
that their music would be considered "bubblegum music".
I recently heard "Down At Lulu's" in stereo on XM and it brought back fond
memories from the Kuma Sutra label.
My understanding was that a lot of these groups did not play on their records.
It might be easier to get their lead singers and have one backup group to
do all the music.
I live in the Chicago area and every summer there are these town festivals
that would be a perfect place for an all-star bubblegum line-up to perform.
It's called the outdoor circuit and it probably exists in other parts of the
country as well.
I'd like to see a group like The Rascals who I believe perform on the East
coast. We get a lot of Midwest groups like the New Colony Six, Mauds,
Cryan Shames and The Ides of March playing every summer. It would be
great to see groups from the other circuits come our way.
Last year I saw Peter Noone and Herman's Hermits and they were great.
Come to think of it, they might have been the original bubblegum group,
but I believe that is more an American term, and again something that
Peter would probably not appreciate.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:10:58 -0800
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Joy Byers
Jeff Lemlich wrote:
> Joy Byers, who wrote "Low Grades", also wrote "Them
> Terrible Boots" by The Orlons.
Interesting to see that name. IIRC Byers also wrote one of Larry Bright's
sides, but I'd have to search to see which one.
gem
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:05:01 -0500
From: Mark Hill
Subject: One More Showing of "C'mon" on AMC March 3rd
Dave Feldman wrote:
> For those Spectropoppers with access to American Movie Classics,
> don't miss "C'mon, Let's Live A Little," showing at the felicitous
> time of 4:15-5:45 a.m. this Sunday morning.
Mikey wrote:
> Anyone know if this will be reshown? I missed it.
It was on about 2-3 months ago. Same 5am, one time only showing.
I missed it and had since forgot about it. So thanx for the heads up.
I searched the site www.amctv.com for the next showing.
***** Next showing is Thursday MARCH 3rd at 6:00am.
C'mon, Let's Live a Little (1967)
Pop singers Bobby Vee and Jackie De Shannon star in this spirited,
romantic musical comedy set in a small college town. Folk singer Jesse
Crawford (Vee) travels to Arkansas to enroll in Waymount College, but
he takes a quick detour outside of town when he helps damsel-in-
distress Judy Grant (De Shannon), whose car is wrecked. Although she
has a boyfriend, romantic sparks fly between them. Meanwhile Judy's
activist boyfriend (John Ireland) lures Jesse into campus politics,
while a local go-go dancer (Susie Kaye) tries to catch Jesse's eye. In
between all the action are a series of rollicking songs including
"Let's Go-Go," "Instant Girl" and the peppy title track. With: Bo
Belinsky, Kim Carnes, Russ Conway, Jackie De Shannon, Mark Evans,
Eddie Hodges, John A. Ireland, Suzie Kaye, Patsy Kelly, Bobby Vee
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:34:21 -0000
From: Shawn Nagy
Subject: Re: Canadian R&R
Was there just not a not of acts out of the country ot if there were
more why did they not make it?
No US distribution, much was on small independant labels, lack of
exposure (TV shows, etc.) so unless they toured and promoted their
singles, teens were not exposed to their music as much as in the
USA. People are hearing on my station that the groups were certainly
at par with any other country talent wise and most of my requests
are for Canadian acts. They lacked gimmicks or "the edge" that US
bands did - many were British influenced (suit & ties) and seemingly
quite "proper" image & behaviour wise, bending a bit more towards
folk than psychedelia. The rarity of the recordings is making prices
on Canadian vinyl change too. What didn't used to get much $, are
now going for good prices on eBay. There is an astounding lack of
master tapes in existence however, and what is out there is
controlled by RCA/EMI & Capitol so I highly doubt much will ever be
released legitimately.
Also what ever happened to Chad Allen after he left The Expressions?
He was with Brave Belt with Bachman, and had a few solo LPs
throughout the 70s. Check the web, there are some good sites &
interviews with him.
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:30:03 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: Gates Of Eden / Wayne Newton? demo
Country Paul earlier about The Gates Of Eden:
> anyone have any info about this?
Hi Paul, dig into your endless pit of vinyl and see if you have a
single by The Royal Groove on Monument."On To Something New/27 Hours
in The Day" is another two-sided stunner from the Ogerman-English
team, exactly as you described The Gates Of Eden effort, I guess
under a different "group" name.
Jeff Lemlich earlier:
> Speaking of which, it was clear that the third Kenny Young demo,
> "Just An Ordinary Girl", was written with Wayne Newton in mind.
> So what do y'all think -- was that Newton on vocals on the demo,
> or was it someone merely emulating his style?
Jeff was kind enough to let me hear these demos from *his* endless
pit of vinyl, and my vote is that it has to be Wayne singing. I
mentioned late last year that through checking out a lot of Kenny's
work, I reckoned that he had a real talent for vocal imitations,
but if that's Kenny (or anyone else!) imitating Wayne on the demo of
An Ordinary Girl, Rich Little should step down as chief celebrity
parrot. Thanks again, Jeff!
We'll miss you, Chris Curtis...
Best wishes,
Brent Cash
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 06:23:09 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Heaven Fell Last Night - The Browns
Anthony Parsons:
> Also thought you'd want to know that according to the session notes
> in the booklet, John D. Loudermilk plays guitar on the track, as do
> Chet Atkins and Bob Moore, with Floyd Cramer on piano and Buddy
> Harman on drums. It was recorded June 1, 1959 in the RCA Victor
> studio in Nashville. Hope this has been helpful!
Bob Moore on guitar??? Who played bass?
Joe Nelson
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:53:09 -0000
From: ModGirl
Subject: New Release: The Late '60s: 25 Top 10 Hits
Recommended Varese Release: The Late '60s: 25 Top 10 Hits
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Adpd0ylo5xpmb
ModGirl
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:56:52 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: The Teddy Bears
Phil Chapman:
> Listening to scratch tapes of the "To Know Him...." session,
> as far as I can deduce, the bed track was Phil & Marshall on
> acoustic & electric guitars playing different inversions, and
> singing backups, plus kick-drum, hi-hat (no snare!), and lead
> vocal. They used the first complete run, (take three) and dubbed
> two further layers going tape-to-tape, on which they tracked the
> backing vocals, added piano (providing a bass), a rather loosely
> played snare......and echo!
I've managed to synch the underdub to the final product. Anyone who
wants an MP3, feel free to e-mail me offlist. 128 kbps stereo and 320
kbps stereo files availible.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:33:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
Steve Harvey wrote:
> When I made a CDR of Searchers stuff I put on Chris' version of
> "I'll Be Doggone" from his solo years.
Is that a different version of "I'll Be Doggone" than he did with
the Searchers on their "Take Me For What I'm Worth" album?
Einar
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