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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Canadian R&R
From: Will Stos
2. Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
3. Re: "Beg Borrow and Steal"
From: Austin Roberts
4. Re: John D. Loudermilk
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
5. Re: WKBW
From: Austin Roberts
6. Cincinnati - Teddy Boys - Lead by John Reynolds
From: Rex Strother
7. "Heaven Fell Last Night"; Farmer's Daughter's revenge; Royal Groove
From: Country Paul
8. Chris Curtis, producer too
From: Scott Swanson
9. Eddie Hodges's "Secret" revealed
From: John DeAngelis
10. Re: Chris Curtis
From: Steve Harvey
11. Re: Heaven Fell Last Night - The Browns
From: Anthony Parsons
12. Re: C'mon, Let's Live A Little
From: Frank Murphy
13. Re: Ohio Expresses
From: Michael Thom
14. The Only Alternative ...
From: Norm D
15. Re: Teddy Boys
From: Barry Margolis
16. Re: Farmer's Daughter's revenge
From: Phil X Milstein
17. Re: Alma Cogan's "Snakes And Snails ..."
From: Anthony Parsons
18. Re: Buddy Harman on drums
From: Anthony Parsons
19. Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
From: Roy Clough
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 01:19:41 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Canadian R&R
Previously:
> No US distribution, much was on small independant labels, lack of
> exposure (TV shows, etc.) so unless they toured and promoted their
> singles, teens were not exposed to their music as much as in the
> USA.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but Canada also introduced
domestic talent content regulations at some point in the 60s or 70s.
I think it might have been '71 or '73. Broadcasters had to play a
certain percent of music that originated in Canada or was made by
Canadians (artist, producer, or writer). This resulted in a lot of
promotion for certain performers and helped the industry (at least in
the English-speaking parts of the country where American or British
music was widely available). This is why Canadian R&R really boomed
starting in the 70s with BTO and the Guess Who, et al.
Does anyone know when these rules went into effect?
Will : )
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:15:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
Roy Clough wrote:
> Chris Curtis, the Searchers Drummer during their golden years, has
> died today aged 63.
This news two days after I had a mini Searchers music festival chez
moi. With Tony Jackson already gone that leaves yet another original
Liverpool band with two down and two to go.
Einar
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:04:24 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: "Beg Borrow and Steal"
Bill, I'm pretty sure there was another lead singer, other than
Joey Levine, on Beg Borrow And Steal. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:27:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: John D. Loudermilk
Country Paul:
> I also hadn't realized that Loudermilk wrote "Heaven Fell Last
> Night," the B-sdie of "The Three Bells" done by the Brown.
Anthony Parsons:
> John D. Loudermilk plays guitar on the track, as do Chet Atkins
> and Bob Moore, with Floyd Cramer on piano and Buddy Harman on
> drums.
So how safe would this make an assumption that Buddy Harman is
also the drummer on "Three Bells?"
Einar
[trying to track down all the drummers]
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:25:12 -0500
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: WKBW
I did a show for them back in the early 70's, I think, outside in
an open air setting and truly enjoyed the jocks. They were fun and
very accomadating, and very happy because we drew between 25 and
30 thousand, which was great for me, but also the station. I stayed
in touch with one of their D.J.'s for several years and would send
him new releases first whenever I had something coming out. Went
back once or twice and always had lunch or dinner with him, so
you'd think I'd remember his name, but such is the brain of . . .
Austin Roberts
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:17:30 -0700
From: Rex Strother
Subject: Cincinnati - Teddy Boys - Lead by John Reynolds
Anybody know about this group: Teddy Boys, with John Reynolds as lead
singer. Could use some info on them, if available.
Rex Strother
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:13:42 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: "Heaven Fell Last Night"; Farmer's Daughter's revenge; Royal Groove
Me earlier:
> I also hadn't realized that Loudermilk wrote "Heaven Fell Last Night,"
> the B-sdie of "The Three Bells" done by the Brown.
Antone:
> Just listened to this track and I now feel it's far too country-sounding
> to post to musica....I'd be happy to attempt to e-mail a file of the song
> to you, since it seems it has only been released on CD in the Bear Family
> box set. Also thought you'd want to know that according to the session
> notes in the booklet, John D. Loudermilk plays guitar on the track, as do
> Chet Atkins and Bob Moore, with Floyd Cramer on piano and Buddy Harman on
> drums. It was recorded June 1, 1959 in the RCA Victor studio in Nashville.
> Hope this has been helpful!
It has, thank you. I had no idea Loudermilk played on the session, and would
be eager to hear the song without the scratches! (As for being too country,
remember that I grew up listening to Sun records by Johnny Cash on New York
pop radio, so I may be a bit prejudiced. But please send it and perhaps I -
or you - can play it to one of the "satellite" groups that have grown up as
offshoots of Spectropop. We can let "the troops" decide.)
Re: Farmer's Daughter, I asked:
> This is a complete unknown to me, Eddy. Any more info, please?
Eddy responded:
> In the meantime you may have seen my follow-up message (28174) on
> the subject. Here's a comment from Brad Elliott :
> "The Basil Swift & The Seegrams parody of Farmer's Daughter was
> conceived by Nick Venet and Danny Hutton. Venet recalls that while he
> was occupied elsewhere, Hutton and Brian cut the vocals for the song.
> The off-key falsetto lead is obviously Brian."
I have since heard the record. Honestly, I think it's ghastly. (Not a word
I - or I guess anyone - uses often anymore.) A second listen didn't change
my mind. Did it sell any copies? Does anyone here who knows it like it?
Please feel free to try to convince me. (And it's not that I categorically
dislike loud music or parody - just this one.)
Brent Cash Re: Gates Of Eden:
> Hi Paul, dig into your endless pit of vinyl and see if you have
> a single by The Royal Groove on Monument. "On To Something New/27
> Hours in The Day" is another two-sided stunner from the Ogerman-
> English team, exactly as you described The Gates Of Eden effort,
> I guess under a different "group" name.
Sadly, many singles with royal grooves, but none by a group of that name.
Any chance of it finding a slot in musica from your collection - or
somebody's? (That's what I love about Spectropop - so much cool stuff to
discover!)
Country Paul
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:37:14 -0800
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Chris Curtis, producer too
In addition to his footnotes in pop history as The Searchers' drummer and
for assembling the original lineup of Deep Purple, Chris Curtis also made a
stab at being a record producer. He joined the Pye Records staff in April
1966 although I only know of 3 Pye singles produced by him.
Here are the Chris Curtis productions I know of:
Alma Cogan: Snakes And Snails And Puppy Dogs Tails/How Many Nights How Many
Days
(Columbia DB 7652, 8/65)
The 5 a.m. Event: Hungry/I Wash My Hand (In Muddy Water)
(Pye, 7N 17154, 1966)
Eddie Cave & The Fyx: It's Almost Good/Fresh Out Of Tears
(Pye 7N 17161, 1966)
Michael Aldred: Just Around The Corner/Don't Make Promises
(Pye 7N 17181, 10/66)
Paul & Barry Ryan: Have You Ever Loved Somebody/I'll Tell You Later
(Decca F 12494, 9/66)
- plus the non-single tracks "Love You Don't Know What It Means", "You
Don't Know Like I Do" and "Night Time"
Billy J. Kramer & The Dakotas: Sorry/Going Going Gone
(Parlophone R 5552, 1967)
I'm sure there are others. Spectroppers, check your Pye 45s!
Scott
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:42:21 -0000
From: John DeAngelis
Subject: Eddie Hodges's "Secret" revealed
Chris A. Schneider wrote:
> I haven't heard the Hodges yet, but ... The song "If This Isn't
> Love" (music: Burton Lane; words: E.Y. Harburg) begins with
> these words: A secret, a secret / I've got a little secret ...
That's it, Chris! That part of the Eddie Hodges song appropriates the
words and music from the beginning of "If This Isn't Love", which is
a wonderful song with more than a few very memorable versions by
everyone from (as you mentioned) Sarah Vaughan to Michael Feinstein.
Thanks!
John DeAngelis
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:44:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Chris Curtis
Einar Einarsson Kvaran asked:
> Is that a different version of "I'll Be Doggone" than
> he did with the Searchers on their "Take Me For What
> I'm Worth" album?
I have it on a rarities CD and it says "Vocals by Chris Curtis". I thought it
was a solo single (he did do one after leaving the band), but you may be
right about it being a Searchers cut instead of a solo Chris tune. Great
cover of Marvin Gaye.
Steve
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:39:01 -0600
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Heaven Fell Last Night - The Browns
Joe asked:
> Bob Moore on guitar? Who played bass?
Sorry, Joe! In my haste to post the info (trying to get out of the house to
get to a rehearsal on time!), I accidentally truncated the credits. The extra
guitar player was Ray Edenton. Bob Moore did indeed play the bass on
that session.
Antone
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:19:41 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Re: C'mon, Let's Live A Little
previously:
> "With Bo Belinsky, Kim Carnes, Russ Conway ..."
Is this the UK piano-playing chartoppper Russ Conway, of "Sidesaddle" fame?
FrankM
reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm www.radiomagnetic.com
or listen to an archive show
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/index.php?genre=&show=65
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:58:29 -0600
From: Michael Thom
Subject: Re: Ohio Expresses
Austin Roberts wrote:
> I'm pretty sure there was another lead singer, other than
> Joey Levine, on "Beg Borrow And Steal."
Joey Levine wasn't involved with the Ohio Express until their second LP,
which was their first on Buddah. "Beg, Borrow and Steal," which is on their
debut LP on Cameo, was actually recorded by the Rare Breed for the Attack
label, owned by Kasenetz and Katz and then "credited" to the Ohio Express,
though the Rare Breed was a totally different group. The group that became
Ohio Express on the Cameo LP was originally known as Sir Timothy & The
Royals, and Levine wasn't involved with them, either. K&K brought him into
the picture when Ohio Express went to Buddah.
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 02:30:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Norm D
Subject: The Only Alternative ...
Does anyone have any information on The Only Alternative & His Other
Possibilities? They were around in 1966-'67 and played various concerts
on the West Coast. One of their members was Mimi Fariña, so I guess
they would have been folk-rock-psych. As far as I know they made no
records. You can see a few contemporary posters at:
http://www.richardandmimi.com/only.html
Any information, memories, or even referrals to other sites gladly received
(off-list, please).
Thanks,
Norm D.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:26:18 -0600
From: Barry Margolis
Subject: Re: Teddy Boys
Rex Strother asked:
> Anybody know about this group: Teddy Boys, with John Reynolds
> as lead singer.
Do you mean these Teddy Boys?:
* Jezebel/It's You (MGM 13515, 1966)
* Where Have All The Good Times Gone/La La (Cameo 433, 1966)
* Mona/Good Morning Blues (Cameo 448, 1967)
* Don't Mess With Me/? (No label #1 616, 1967)
>From Hyde Park, New York, their finest moment was arguably their pretty
offbeat version of Bo Diddley's "Mona," which has resurfaced on Pebbles,
Vol. 12 (Vol. 10 on CD). "Jezebel" can also be found on Garage Punk
Unknowns, Vol. 1 and What A Way To Die includes "Don't Mess With Me,"
a rock'n'roller which they originally put out themselves. They also had a
45 as Pinocchio and Puppets.
Barry in Minneapolis
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:16:57 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Farmer's Daughter's revenge
Country Paul wrote:
> I have since heard the record. Honestly, I think it's ghastly. (Not a word
> I - or I guess anyone - uses often anymore.) A second listen didn't change
> my mind. Did it sell any copies? Does anyone here who knows it like it?
I've known and loved the Basil Swift record for years, but it wasn't until
Eddy forwarded us Brad Elliott's comments that I had any idea there was
anything "off" about it. Granted that might say more about my abilities to
hear music than it does about the record itself, but I'm quite content to let
it remain as such -- in fact, I'm going to avoid relistening to the record until
I'm able to purge my memory of the idea that it is off, so that it doesn't start
ruining my enjoyment of it. Sometimes we need to trick ourselves into
maintaining our happy illusions, but if that's what it takes then so be it.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:25:14 -0600
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Alma Cogan's "Snakes And Snails ..."
Scott Swanson wrote:
> Here are the Chris Curtis productions I know of:
> ... Alma Cogan: Snakes And Snails And Puppy Dogs Tails
I absolutely LOVE this record! Never heard it until I got the Dream Babes
Vol. 1 CD but it has become one of my all-time faves. I didn't make the
connection with his name when I heard of Chris's death, even though the
liner notes make a point of mentioning his involvement. What a rockin'
record! And what a shame to lose such a talent. We all must go, but
knowing that doesn't make it any easier when it happens.
Mournfully,
Antone
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:34:13 -0600
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Buddy Harman on drums
Einar Einarsson Kvaran asked:
> So how safe would this make an assumption that Buddy Harman
> is also the drummer on "Three Bells?"
Yes, that would be a correct assumption. The Three Bells was recorded
on the same day (6/1/59) in the three-hour block of time previous to the
session that produced "Heaven Fell Last Night." John D. Loudermilk did
not play in that session, but otherwise the musical personnel is the same,
with the addition of the Anita Kerr Singers. Also recorded at the "Three
Bells" session was a song called "Wake Up Jonah," which was unreleased
prior to the Bear Family box set. Bear Family liner notes can be SO informative!
Sincerely,
Antone
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:18:52 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: Chris Curtis, R.I.P.
Einar Einarsson Kvaran asked:
> Is that a different version of "I'll Be Doggone" than he did with
> the Searchers on their "Take Me For What I'm Worth" album?
On the "Take Me For What I'm Worth" album, Frank Allen takes the lead
vocal; some later compilations have the Curtis vocal.
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