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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Austin Roberts
From: Mikey
2. Help needed--again.
From: Mike Rashkow
3. Le Beat Bespoke
From: Lobby
4. Searching For an Obscure Song
From: Martin Nathan
5. Re: "Come On Down To My Boat"
From: Phil X Milstein
6. Re: Bob Johnston
From: George Schowerer
7. Re: The Cowsills' "We Can Fly"
From: Frank J.
8. Re: The Cowsills' "We Can Fly"
From: Robert Pingel
9. Austin Roberts: Mary And Me
From: Joe Nelson
10. Re: The Austin Roberts
From: Orion
11. Re: RIP Martin Denny
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
12. Re: Byrds vs Searchers
From: Roy Clough
13. Re: Byrds vs Searchers
From: Mikey
14. Re: "Sugar & Spice" rememberances
From: Roy Clough
15. Re: Rare Breed "Come On Down To My Boat"
From: Matthew David
16. Lou Christie fans??
From: Stewart Epstein
17. Re: "The Twelfth OF Never" in Musica.
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
18. Re: Searchers' "Sugar & Spice"
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
19. Re: Bob Johnston
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
20. Re: Clydie King
From: Will Stos
21. Re: Rare Breed/"Come On Down To My Boat"
From: Howard
22. Jimmy Webb
From: Andy
23. Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967)
From: Hans Huss
24. Re: Whistling Jack Smith
From: Richard Havers
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:45:42 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: The Austin Roberts
Austin:
> I liked "One Word" too, and The Grassroots cut a good version
> of it. After "Something's Wrong With Me" and "Keep On Singing,"
> I didn't have another hit with Chelsea Records, although "One
> Word" went over well in concert.
Austin, While you were on Chelsea, Wayne Newton was there too,
and made some excellent records like "Pour Me A Little Wine".
Did you ever get a chance to talk to Wayne during this period?
Waynes stuff on Chelsea was really good. The only one people
remember is "Daddy Dont You Walk So Fast", but his other songs
were almost as good.
Mikey
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:00:33 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Help needed--again.
I once again call on the membership for assistance.
Needing a clean copy of "Dany's Theme" which was the B side of
"Hello Goodbye" as performed? by Genevieve Gilles on 20th Century.
Anyone? Please contact me off-list.
Thanks to those good people who provided me with the Hardy Boys
and Steve Tudanger items--much appreciated.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:32:39 -0000
From: Lobby
Subject: Le Beat Bespoke
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Lobby
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:19:34 -0000
From: Martin Nathan
Subject: Searching For an Obscure Song
I started listening to music in the late '60s and every station
had a few songs that nobody else played. Often times, the
record was impossible to find in the store, and worse, when
you'd call up the station they'd act like they never heard of
the song, even if they just played it. I was always a big fan
of those types of songs, and I have managed to find a lot of
them over the years, often just by stumbling onto some of them
in piles of old 45s at record conventions.
But one still eludes me.
A simple little pop song by a young girl group around March 1968
on WTAG in Worcester, Mass- all I remember was "... when we get
together, the whole world will shine forever, like peaches and
cream together....". This is typical pop from that era, but
surprisingly there are very few songs with the title "When We
Get Together". I hope sometime I do find out who sang this one.
thanx
Martin
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:53:41 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Come On Down To My Boat"
Javed Jafri wrote:
> ... Was "Boat" not recorded by a third band as well, and a
> regional hit at that?
Lee Curtis & The All-Stars did a British version of the song.
I'm not sure where it appeared in its chronology, but I'm fairly
certain it at least predated Every Mother's Son's version.
--Phil M.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:44:31 -0800 (PST)
From: George Schowerer
Subject: Re: Bob Johnston
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Columbia producer Bob Johnston produced some of
> the best Bob Dylan albums.
And some Simon and Garfunkel sessions with Roy Halee
as engineer at Columbia's 7th. Avenue studio "A".
I have some photos I took during those time periods
when I worked for Columbia.
Regards,
George Schowerer
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:21:09 +0100
From: Frank J.
Subject: Re: The Cowsills' "We Can Fly"
Krischan:
> Is my mind playing tricks on me or did somebody once mention
> here that The Cowsills recorded an Italian language version
> of "We Can Fly"?
No, that's correct. I posted it about a year ago. Contact me
off-list if you're interested. Anybody for the a-side? It's an
Italian composition recorded only in italian.
Frank J.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:03:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: The Cowsills' "We Can Fly"
Christian Steiner wrote:
> Is my mind playing tricks on me or did somebody once mention
> here that The Cowsills recorded an Italian language version
> of "We Can Fly"?
I remember seeing them perform the song in Italian on the
Dick Cavett show back when. I believe it was their entry for
the San Remo Music Festival. It would logically follow that
there is a recording of it somewhere, but I don't know for sure.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:01:21 -0500
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Austin Roberts: Mary And Me
Larry Bromley:
>"Mary and me, driftin' along on a carousel."? I loved that one!
Austin Roberts:
> You've got a good memory; that was 1968. It was about a girl
> who was dancing around in Central Park while I was sitting
> under a tree with an old Gibson 12-string, bereft of any song
> ideas. She told me her name was Mary, and, because of the
> simplicity of what she was doing, the song just came together
> as she was still dancing.
One wonders if she ever heard the finished record. Years ago I
wrote a song called "She's Poetry" under similar circumstances.
I know for a fact the girl in question never heard it - and
given the lyrics I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have wanted to.
Joe
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:39:42 -0500
From: Orion
Subject: Re: The Austin Roberts
I don't remember hearing "Mary and Me". Does anyone have it so
that could be put up on Musica? I don't think I have ever heard
an Austin Roberts tune I didn't like.
Orion
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:51:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: RIP Martin Denny
Eddy:
> HONOLULU, Hawaii (AP) -- Martin Denny, who recorded 38 albums
> that defined a genre of tropical mood music, dubbed "Exotica,"
> which reflected tiki lounge culture, died Wednesday, his
> daughter said. He was 93.
Martin Denny's recording career gets good coverage in
Michael Kelly's CD-ROM book, "Liberty Records." RIP,
Einar
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:31:58 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: Byrds vs Searchers
Mark:
> Searchers have said that they never even used a 12-string on
> "Needles And Pins," which was the blueprint for The Byrds' sound.
That's correct Mark, first time The Searchers used a 12-string
was on "When You Walk In The Room", the Jackie De Shannon song.
Roy Clough
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:42:26 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Byrds vs Searchers
Mark:
> Searchers have said that they never even used a 12-string on
> "Needles And Pins," which was the blueprint for The Byrds' sound.
Correct!!!! it's two guitars played in unison, then done again
double-tracked. The Serchers called this "Double Live".
Mikey
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:29:30 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: "Sugar & Spice" rememberances
Previously:
> "Sugar and Spice" will always be a Drifters song.
Roy Clough:
> Strange, it was written by Tony Hatch, the Searchers' producer
> - just a historical note. I think you actually mean "Sweets
> For My Sweet".
Bill Mulvy:
> I'm from Chicago and around here "Sugar And Spice" will always
> be remembered as a Cryan' Shames song. The others are in the
> rear-view mirror, if t all.
Well Bill, I am from Leeds in the UK and over here, apart from me
perhaps, who considers himself to be knowledgable on The Searchers
- see CLOUGH LINKS on http://www.searchers.rickresource.com/ -
No one over here has heard of The Cryan Shames except the English
Cryin' Shames who were a one hit wonder with a Joe Meek produced
number called "Please Stay".
Roy Clough
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:08:53 -0000
From: Matthew David
Subject: Re: Rare Breed "Come On Down To My Boat"
Javed Jafri writes:
> Thank you, Matthew! This is the most detailed description
> that I have seen about The Rare Breed/original Ohio Express,
> and the only time I recall the personnel being mentioned.
You're welcome. The real Rare Breed only recorded 2 songs -
"Beg, Borrow & Steal" and "Lightning Doesn't Strike Twice".
The latter was going to be their follow-up, but wasn't released
due to the similarly titled Lou Christie hit. Turns out the
remaining 8 trax on the Super K Kollection are by totally different
groups! Typical K&K move.
Bill Mulvy writes:
> "Come And Take a Ride In My Boat" can be found on "Bubblegum
> Classics volume 1". VareseSarabande VSD 5535.
The Rare Breed's "Come And Take A Ride In My Boat" was in fact
not done by The Rare Breed! Who is behind this fuzzy early version
is still a mystery.
Matthew David
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:56:37 -0000
From: Stewart Epstein
Subject: Lou Christie fans??
Any Lou Christie fans out there??...the guy looks GREAT and can
still do his falsettos..the way I "warm up" for singing is to
first sing along with "Cara Mia" by Jay & The Americans, then
"Lightning Strikes" by LOU, and then I am ready to sing my
lovey-dovey ballads.
Stewart Epstein
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:40:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: "The Twelfth OF Never" in Musica.
Country Paul:
> I just played "The Twelfth of Never" by Mark Dinning to musica.
Julio:
> maybe my favorite is the suffocating and soulful version by
> Jamaican singer "Pat Kelly" recorded in the late sixties.
Billy J Krammer & the Dakotas have a pretty credible (in my opinion)
version from 1963.
Einar
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:21:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Searchers' "Sugar & Spice"
Previously:
> "Sugar and Spice" will always be a Drifters song.
Roy Clough:
> Strange, it was written by Tony Hatch, the
> Searchers' producer - just a historical note.
I show Sugar & Spice as being written by a "Fred Nightingale."
Einar
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Admin note:
Fred Nightingale is one of the pseudonyms used by Tony Hatch.
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:53:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Bob Johnston
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Columbia producer Bob Johnston produced some of the
> best Bob Dylan albums.
Steve Harvey:
> ... and one of the worst Byrds LPs. They fired him after they
> heard the way he produced their version of "Lay Lady Lay".
Two versions of "Lay Lady Lady" appear on "The Byrds Play Dylan"
CD. Listen to them both and it's pretty easy to guess which one
the band objected to.
Einar
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:09:52 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Clydie King
Dave Monroe wrote:
> Clydie King's "I'll Never Stop Loving You" is an all-time
> favorite track of mine. I've also been spinning "One Part
> Two Part" and "Mistakes Of Yesterday." Beautiful, nigh
> unto stately soul. Guess I'll have to get 'em all.
Can anyone tell me if there's a compilation that contains Clydie's
'60s material? I doubt it's all collected together, but can anyone
recommend a series that has more than one or two of her songs? If
not, perhaps it's time to suggest one to a reissue label.
Will : )
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:41:40 -0500
From: Howard
Subject: Re: Rare Breed/"Come On Down To My Boat"
Matthew David wrote:
> This is the band that played on "Beg, Borrow & Steal" -- both
> the Rare Breed 45 on Attack and Ohio Express 45 on Cameo. The
> group was previously known as The Conquests. All members
> were high schoolers in the Brooklyn/Bronx area of New York.
Javed Jafri wrote:
> Thank you, Matthew! This is the most detailed description that
> I have seen about The Rare Breed/original Ohio Express, and the
> only time I recall the personnel being mentioned. BTW was "Boat"
> not recorded by a third band as well, and a regional hit at that?
Is this the same song (COME ON DOWN TO MY BOAT)that MANITOBA
recorded on RCA??
Howard
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:06:36 -0000
From: Andy
Subject: Jimmy Webb
I've just got my tickets to see Jimmy Webb at the Lyric Theatre
in London on May 21st. I've never seen him live before and I guess
he'll be promoting the 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' box set.
Can anyone out there give me an indication of what his live shows
are like? Am I in for a treat?
Cheers
Andy
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:34:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967)
Matt Spero wrote:
> THIS IS A MAJOR MUSICAL EVENT. [...] For years the only
> Chubbby Checker and Bobby Rydell stuff available have
> been re-recordings.
Yes, the Cameo-Parkway Story is good news! Let's hope it has all
the right versions and let's hope the liner notes tell the story.
What little have read about the label before, The Sound of
Philadelphia by Tony Cummings, for instance, is usually very
dismissive. However, I must confess I find the inclusion of the
British tracks a bit odd. I understand they are there for historical
reasons, but musically (and geographically) they appear out-of-place.
No slur on the Kinks (or the Ivy League); even the Beatles wouldn't
quite fit alongside Jerry Butler and Betty Everett on a Vee Jay
collection! I wish some of the more glaring omissions -- hits and
obscurities -- would have taken their place instead: the Bronzettes
"Hot Spot" (Parkway 929, penned and produced by Chubby Checker); Honey
Love & the Love Notes "We Belong Together" and "Mary Ann" (the latter
a scarce Phil Spector song, Cameo 380); Alaine Williams "When Are
We Getting Married" (a lovely Kenny Gamble-Thom Bell collaboration,
Cameo 923); Yvonne Baker's northern soul classic "You Didn’t Say A
Word" (Parkway 140); and the Orlons' great double-sider "No Love But
Your Love"/"Envy" (Cameo 384, the latter surely the blueprint for
some of Laura Nyro's finest songs -- listen to "Sweet Blindness" for
instance)! Not to mention Chubby Checker's "Dancin' Party" (Parkway
842) and Dee Dee Sharp's "Wild!" (Cameo 274)… Hmm, there’s a Volume
2 in this, I think!
Still, alongside the truly marvellous "Don't Hang Up" and "Cross Fire!",
it's good to see the rare "Get a Hold of Yourself" by the Persians
(originally released on Cameo-Parkway's small Pageant subsidiary);
the A-side, by Billy Giant, Bernie Baum and Florence Kaye (of "(You're
the) Devil in Disguise" fame ), could have given not just "Don't Throw
Your Love Away" a run for its money, but a few of the big ones as well!
Hasse Huss
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:22:07 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Whistling Jack Smith
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> I can't add anything about Whistling Jack Smith to the info
> Richard Havers provided, which corresponds precisely with the
> info on "Smith" presented in "Billboard's Book Of One-Hit Wonders."
Maybe I'm over sensitive Phil, but that sounds like an accusation
of plagiarism. As I writer I am very careful about such things.
What I wrote actually comes from a book I have written that I
have in manuscript form. It has been worked on over the course of
the last twenty years, and is about every artist that had a hit in
Britain in the 60s.
The Whistling Jack Smith entry in the Billboard book lacks a lot
of information and I think my words on WJS reflects far more
accurately the story.
Billboard says
- Billy Moeller recorded "disks" as Coby Wells when in fact he
cut one song.
- He didn't return to being Coby Wells
- He didn't record as Bill Moeller or Billy Moeller but as one
half of Bill and Buster
The Billboard book says pretty much what you say Phil "I would,
though, like to mention that the character's name was obviously
chosen in reference to Whispering Jack Smith, a British singer
whose war injury severely curtailed his projection abilities,
leading to both his vocal signature and his kicky nickname"
Unfortunately the Billboard book says that it was a World War 2
injury, when in fact the whisperer's injury was sustained in the
First World War.
So please be more careful when using the word 'precisely' and
sorry to be picky, but it's a professional thing.
Best
Richard
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