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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Rare Breed "Come On Down To My Boat"
From: Mike Rashkow
2. Re: Spectroprops to Henry Stone
From: Hasse Huss
3. Re: Byrds vs Searchers
From: Mark J
4. Donna Marie - New Christian CD coming soon!
From: Laura Pinto
5. Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
From: David Coyle
6. Re: Whistling Jack Smith
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Re: "Beg Borrow And Steal" / Cameo reissues
From: David Coyle
8. Re: "Sugar & Spice" remembrances
From: Bill Mulvy
9. Re: Lou Christie fans??
From: Robert Pingel
10. Re: Le Beat Bespoke weekender
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
11. Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967)
From: Martin Nathan
12. Re: Whistling Jack Smith
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
13. Cameo-Parkway US vs. UK; social notes
From: Country Paul
14. Re: Lou Christie / Del Shannon
From: Richard Hattersley
15. Re: Rev-Ola
From: John DeAngelis
16. Susan Cowsill solo - anyone have it?
From: Neil Hever
17. Tony Hatch AKA Fred Nightingale AKA Mark Anthony
From: Frank Murphy
18. "Fool"
From: Bob Rashkow
19. Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
From: John Fox
20. Re: Searching for an obscure song
From: James Botticelli
21. Re: "The Twelfth Of Never" in Musica
From: James Botticelli
22. Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967)
From: Billy G Spradlin
23. Re: "Twelfth Of Never"
From: TD Bell
24. Re: Susan Cowsill solo
From: Laura Pinto
25. WTAG / WORC
From: Martin Nathan
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:31:07 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Rare Breed "Come On Down To My Boat"
I'm late to the Come On Down To My Boat Baby, but let me jump in with
this--I think the Rare Breed version was done in in a studio where I
was working--either Bell Sound or Broadway Recording. If someone
tells me the year, I'll know which one. I may have even done some work
on it. I was both an assistant or at the board for several Kasenetz
and Katz Productions. This one also credits Eddie Chiprut--and I know
I did a date with the three of them at Broadway. I also know I have
the record and I know I would not have purchased it unless it had some
personal meaning for me.
Previously:
> The Rare Breed's "Come And Take A Ride In My Boat" was in fact
> not done by The Rare Breed! Who is behind this fuzzy early version
> is still a mystery.
Oh, I see--now it becomes interesting. So, let me throw out a guess,
The Tradewinds who I remember doing several things for K&K.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:52:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Hasse Huss
Subject: Re: Spectroprops to Henry Stone
May I join other Spectropoppers in welcoming Henry Stone to the list.
Would that we would all be active in music so many years on... A very
special shout to Willie ‘Little Beaver’ Hale, the great guitarist
(and songwriter) on so many fabulous Miami recordings! In a better
world, his introduction to Jimmie Bo Horne’s ‘Clean Up Man’ (Alston
4606) would be mentioned in the same breath as Roger McGuinn’s intro
on ‘Mr. Tambourine Man’.
Hasse Huss
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:27:11 -0500
From: Mark J
Subject: Re: Byrds vs Searchers
McGuinn has said that he "thought" that they [Searchers] were using
a 12-string, and he also was impressed by Harrison's 12-string used
in "A Hard Day's Night." The song [Needles and Pins] even affected
Gene to write "I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better."
-Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:34:39 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Donna Marie - New Christian CD coming soon!
Hi all,
The lovely and talented Donna Marie, who released a number of records
under her own name during the 60's before teaming up with Ron Dante
on two Archies singles, "Who's Your Baby" and "Together We Two," is
excited to announce the pending release of her new CD, "Morning
Prayer." Donna Marie (who's also a Spectropop member) retired from
singing professionally in 1971 to marry and raise a family. She's
always been active in her church, singing and working with the
children's choir. At church, Donna Marie met a very talented lady
named Karen, who's the force behind the magnificent songs on "Morning
Prayer." Donna Marie's voice still sounds as lovely as ever, and she
delivers these tracks with passion and conviction.
To see a recent photo of Donna Marie and access the official Morning
Prayer Music web site, go to Donna Marie's official site at
http://snipurl.com/donnamarie . Check out the beautiful photo of
Donna Marie on the homepage; she's sitting in front of Karen's
fireplace, simply radiating beauty! Below that is the image of the
CD cover; click that to access Morning Prayer Music, where you can
read the inspirations behind the songs, check out the photo gallery,
and listen to audio clips from the CD. You will be blown away by
Donna Marie's vocal performance!
This CD will be released within the next few weeks, probably in late
March or early April. Donna Marie and Karen are very excited about
it, and so am I!
Enjoy,
Laura
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:25:26 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
It is true that the Searchers didn't use a 12-string guitar on their
version of "Needles And Pins." They played two rhythm guitars tuned
an octave (I think) apart. I think once the Byrds used their model
as an inspiration for their style using a 12-stringer, they decided
to use one themselves in performances. Or else they realized it was
more practical to have one guitar player playing the riff by himself.
David
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:37:57 -0500
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Whistling Jack Smith
Richard Havers wrote:
> So please be more careful when using the word 'precisely' ...
My apologies, Richard, for the poor choice of word. I merely meant to
indicate that the confluence between your account and that of the
Billboard book (although, as you note, there are some differences, as
well) seemed to suggest a general accuracy. I assure you no implication
of impropriety was intended.
Sincerely,
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:43:45 -0800 (PST)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: "Beg Borrow And Steal" / Cameo reissues
There is really only one version of "B, B, and S" and that is the one
recorded by the Rare Breed. All issues of the song, whether on the
Rare Breed 45, the Ohio Express 45 or the Ohio Express LP, are the
same recording. It's a credit to Sir Timothy and the Royals, the
Measles (the Joe Walsh band that also appears on the album) and the
New York K&K studio hacks (minus Joey Levine) that the LP almost
sounds like it's all by the same group.
The train sound that precedes the Cameo album pressing of the song
also appears at the end of "It's Too Groovy," the closing track on the
LP, which is probably the closest approximation of what Sir Timothy
and the Royals sounded like on a Saturday night at the Sugar Shack,
Aters Lake, or the Inferno Club.
Now that the Cameo/Parkway label is close to being reissued, perhaps
the first Ohio Express album, the least bubblegummy LP to bear that
name, will finally see a decent rerelease. Unfortunately, it doesn't
really encourage me that the upcoming C/P boxed set is coming out on
Collectables. Hopefully all Cameo/Parkway reissues will be of the
highest quality.
David
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:27:57 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: "Sugar & Spice" remembrances
Roy Clough:
> I am from Leeds in the UK and over here, apart from me perhaps,
> who considers himself to be knowledgable on The Searchers - see
> CLOUGH LINKS on http://www.searchers.rickresource.com/ - No one
> over here has heard of The Cryan Shames except the English Cryin'
> Shames who were a one hit wonder with a Joe Meek produced number
> called "Please Stay".
That's OK. They were a Chicago area group (USA) and received mostly
regional airplay. I think you would like them if you did hear them.
They had superb vocals and the guitar lick on "Sugar And Spice" is
mid 60s heaven. Maybe Clark Besch can expound on it some more. Clark?
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:48:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Lou Christie fans??
Stewart Epstein wrote:
> Any Lou Christie fans out there??...the guy looks GREAT and can
> still do his falsettos..the way I "warm up" for singing is to
> first sing along with "Cara Mia" by Jay & The Americans, then
> "Lightning Strikes" by LOU, and then I am ready to sing my
> lovey-dovey ballads.
My enthusiasm for the work of Lou Christie may be equalled by a few
hard-cores, but never surpassed. Doubtful if he'll ever be a blip
on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame radar, but is clearly in a league
all his own. Amazing songwriter and vocalist.
Now if you can just tell me what the lyrics are to the second verse
of "Wild Life's In Season" as well as the final verse, my life will
be complete.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:42:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Le Beat Bespoke weekender
The Le Beat Bespoke weekender sounds great, but who is the Yardbirds
these days? Keith Relf died [I think] so . . .Eric Clapton? Jeff
Beck?? Jimmy Page??? I am curious.
Einar
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:26:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin Nathan
Subject: Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967)
I intend to buy the set. I've waited so long, like everyone else.
However, I can't believe what they left off. How could they not
include "Sway" or "Let's Limbo Some More". Also Hully Gully Baby.
Some lesser known songs that did hit the charts: "Make Me Forget"
by Bobby Rydell (much better than his version of "World Without
Love"), also "Black Cloud" by Chubby Checker. Another obscurity:
"Oo-kook-a-Boo" by the Tip Tops.
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:59:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: Whistling Jack Smith
Previously:
> What I wrote actually comes from a book I have written that I have
> in manuscript form. It has been worked on over the course of the
> last twenty years, and is about every artist that had a hit in
> Britain in the 60s.
I'm looking forward to learning that the book is available, Richard.
Einar
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:13:45 -0500
From: Country Paul
Subject: Cameo-Parkway US vs. UK; social notes
Hasse Huss Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967):
> However, I must confess I find the inclusion of the British
> tracks a bit odd. I understand they are there for historical
> reasons, but musically (and geographically) they appear out-
> of-place. No slur on the Kinks (or the Ivy League); even the
> Beatles wouldn't quite fit alongside Jerry Butler and Betty
> Everett on a Vee Jay collection!
But Hans, the Beatles were eventually reissued on Capitol or Apple.
C-P is the "label of record" for these tracks, and the majority of
American music listeners, who are far less knowledgeable than this
group, would identify them with C-P (if they identify them at all).
> I wish some of the more glaring omissions -- hits and
> obscurities -- would have taken their place instead....
My bid would be for "Where You Goin' Little Boy" by Zip & The Zippers
(really the Orlons primarily led by the bass).
Social notes....
Rashkovsky:
> Thanks to those good people who provided me with the Hardy
> Boys and Steve Tudanger items--much appreciated.
Mike, last we heard Steve Tudanger was dealing with health issues.
How is he doing now? Please let him know (if appropriate) that
Spectropop wishes him health and happiness.
Phil Milstein:
> http://www.aspma.com/probe
Anyone else discover this yet? Lots of cool stuff, including music
discussed here.
Country Paul
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:01:10 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: Lou Christie / Del Shannon
I've got The "Lightning Strikes" album and i think its great. Or at
least side 2 is. It's a shame that 1/2 of the album is covers
because the self penned stuff is fantastic. I guess it was record
company presure. Great arrangements from Callelo as well.
I tried singing "Lightining Strikes" at a gig once. All was well in
rehearsals but then I lost my falsetto at the cucial moment ! :-)
That put me off trying again.
Del Shannon's version is great too.
By the way, how many people here have got the new Bear Family Del
Shannon box, I'm itching to get it but it's a tad pricey.
Richard
http://www.richardsnow.co.uk
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:52:54 -0000
From: John DeAngelis
Subject: Re: Rev-Ola
Little Nemo wrote:
> You are all cordially invited to join the new Rev-Ola discussion
> group...
Well, I'll certainly have to check this out. The folks at Rev-ola are
doing great things and I recently had the pleasure of helping them
with the reissue of one of my all-time-favorite lps from the 1960s--
"Definition" by Chrysalis, which comes out on March 28. They were
truly a pleasure to work with.
John DeAngelis
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:33:06 -0000
From: Neil Hever
Subject: Susan Cowsill solo - anyone have it?
Popsters, I did a general search but did not find any previous
messages on Susan Cowsill. Do you folks know that she has an
excellent CD called "Just Believe it" available? It is really an
excellent pop/AAA recording. I'm the PD at an east coast public
radio station (WDIY) and we've been playing it for months. But I
really haven't heard much about if from anyone. The CD doesn't even
have a record label of not.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:29:17 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: Tony Hatch AKA Fred Nightingale AKA Mark Anthony
Check here: http://www.makingtime.co.uk/searchers.html
FrankM
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:22:04 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: "Fool"
I had a copy of "Fool" when it was briefly on the WLS chart in January,
1973 or so. I loved Wayne's version so much better than Elvis'. Felt
the tune was meant more for his angelic voice. Bobster
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:29:55 EST
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Byrds vs. Searchers
Previously:
> The Searchers have said that they never even used a 12-string on
> "Needles And Pins," which was the blueprint for The Byrds' sound.
Correct!!!! It's two guitars played in unison, then done again
double-tracked. The Searchers called this "Double Live".
The real steal by the Byrds wasn't the 12-string as much as the
introductory riff to "Needles and Pins", almost identical to the
intro riff on "Feel A Whole Lot Better" (and then turned inside out
by a true rip-off group--Dino, Desi & Billy on "Not The Lovin' Kind").
John Fox
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:10:23 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Searching for an obscure song
Martin Nathan wrote:
> A simple little pop song by a young girl group around March 1968
> on WTAG in Worcester, Mass-
As a guy whose grandparents lived in Worcester and who spent the 50's
in Westboro, I didn't think WTAG was a music station. I thought it was
the 'news' station and WORC ("ORC instant news, ORC instant news") was
the music station. Is my mind messed up?
JB/Child of WORC
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:02:48 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: "The Twelfth Of Never" in Musica
Did Johnny Mathis do that one? Because the title really resonates but
I can't call up the melody. Which is unusual for me....
JB/on the 45 hunt of his life these daze
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:41:24 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: The Cameo Parkway Story (1957-1967)
Hans Huss wrote:
> I must confess I find the inclusion of the British tracks a bit odd.
> I understand they are there for historical reasons, but musically
> (and geographically) they appear out-of-place.
I felt the same way - and most of those Pye UK selections are already
available from compilatiions from Castle UK. Those early Kinks tracks
arent very good (the B-side "I Took My Baby Home" is a gem though!).
Still those Pye tracks played a small part in C/P's short history, and
it would have been nice if they could have picked The Breakaways great
"Thats How It Goes" (Cameo 323) which most USA collectors who'll buy
this box for Chubby, Bobby, Dee Dee & The Orlons havent heard.
Along with the other tracks mentioned I would have love to had Dee Dee
Sharp's "Good", The Tymes "Here She Comes", Chubby Checker's "You Just
Don't Know" and "At the Discoteque" (just to show people he made a few
good records after the twist craze), The Fabulous Flippers "I Don't
Want To Cry b/w Harlem Shuffle" (a big regional hit), The Butlers
"Shop Around" (a great Mitch Ryder sound-a-like), and The July Four's
soft pop "Frightened Little Girl".
Billy G. Spradlin
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:00:31 -0500
From: TD Bell
Subject: Re: "Twelfth Of Never"
James Botticell askedi:
> Did Johnny Mathis do that one? Because the title really resonates
> but I can't call up the melody. Which is unusual for me....
Yes, Johnny Mathis sang "Twelfth Of Never". The melody and sentiment
is similar to "I Gave My Love A Cherry What Had No Stone", which is why
Bluto smashes the preppy folk-singer's guitar in "Animal House".
--TD
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:24:26 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Susan Cowsill solo
Neil Hever wrote:
> Popsters, I did a general search but did not find any previous
> messages on Susan Cowsill. Do you folks know that she has
> an excellent CD called "Just Believe it" available?
Thanks for the info. I always liked The Cowsills when I was growing
up. I checked Susan's official website at http://www.susancowsill.com
and listened to a few of the sound clips ... and I must say, I like
her style! I see that she also has some personal appearances lined up
-- none near me at present, but if she does appear at a venue within
my orbit, I'll have to make it a point to go to see her. Thanks for
letting us know about the CD.
Laura
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:49:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin Nathan
Subject: WTAG / WORC
James Botticelli asked:
> As a guy whose grandparents lived in Worcester and who spent the
> 50's in Westboro, I didn't think WTAG was a music station. I thought
> it was the 'news' station and WORC ("O-R-C instant news, O-R-C
> instant news") was the music station. Is my mind messed up?
They weren't a true music station, but they did play occasional songs.
Another station (unfortunately forgotten) was WAAB-AM -- a great
station, but always in the shadow of WORC.
Martin
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