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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Today's Finds
From: James Botticelli
2. Re: The Cyrkle
From: Bill Mulvy
3. Re: Sunflower, the label
From: Leslie Fradkin
4. Re: Lesley Gore & double tracking
From: Anthony Arena
5. The TAMI Show
From: Bill Mulvy
6. Re: Lesley Gore / Judy Craig
From: Will Stos
7. Re: those darned Coxes
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Re: Lesley Gore, "Hey Now"
From: Joe Nelson
9. Re: Tommy Dae and the High Tensions
From: MopTopMike
10. The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
From: Doug Richard
11. The Crayons, anyone?
From: Stefano
12. Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
From: George Schowerer
13. Re: Tom Austin
From: Dave the Rave
14. Worst drop out on a CD
From: Bill Mulvy
15. Re: Edits, etc.
From: John Fox
16. The Marquee Review
From: Frank Murphy
17. Re: Lesley Gore
From: Anthony Parsons
18. Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
From: Robert Pingel
19. Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
From: Steve Harvey
20. Re: Double tracking
From: Mike
21. Re: The Crayons, anyone?
From: Tom Taber
22. Re: The Crayons, anyone?
From: Mikey
23. Re: The TAMI Show
From: Richard Fannan
24. Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
25. Re: Today's Finds
From: Robert Pingel
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:42:55 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Today's Finds
I wrote:
> Found yesterday: A 45 written by Jack Keller and Gerry Goffin,
> flipside written by Al Kooper and Irwin Levine. Anyone wanna guess?
> It's on Capitol. I will post later today all yesterday's groovy
> finds!
And the winner is..........NO ONE!!! The record written by Goffin/
Keller, flipside written by Kooper/Levine is.....
Ernie Freeman - Where Were You (Keller/Goffin)b/w What Do I See In
The Girl (Kooper/Levine) - Capitol, aLou Rawls soundalike.
The rest of the finds:
Gloria Dennis - Richie - Rust (great girlie song)
Mitchell Torok - Pink Chiffon - Guyden (a hit from way back then)
Elvis Presley - Do The Clam - RCA (from 'Girl Happy', always loved
the pop side of Elvis vs the rawkin' side)
Carol Kay & The Teen-Aires - I'll Never Change - Crest (Let it please
be her, oh dear god!)
Picardy - Montage - Dunhill (Soft Rockers take on a nice Jimmy Webb
tune who also produced, arranged and conducted it)
Paul Evans - Hushaby Little Guitar - Guaranteed (How did Paul get his
voice to crack up an octave like that?~)
Betty Rogers - When I See You Through My Window - Briar (Connie
Francisish pop piece)
Ronettes - How Does It Feel - Phillies (Best flipside record EVER.
Covered in 1998 by Japan's Doopees)
Buckinghams - Makin' Up & Breakin Up - U.S.A. (These guys really WERE
garage before becoming blue-eyed soulish)
Critters - Marryin' Kind Of Love - Kapp (Penned by Andreoli & Poncia
AND Pomus, arranged by Jimmy Wisner, always a safe bet)
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:34:03 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: The Cyrkle
I noticed that the mono version of the Cyrkle's "Don't Cry No Tears
No Fears Coming Your Way" is different and better than the stereo
version. I'm certainly glad I have the album, but I have no turntable
set up to play it on!
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:22:10 -0600
From: Leslie Fradkin
Subject: Re: Sunflower, the label
Frank Jastfelder:
> I have a promo 7" of Tony Scotti (who later launched the Scotti
> Brothers label) with a nice Bacharachesque song called "It Won't
> Hurt To Try It" (SUN 109) written by Ken Alison. Arr. and cond. by
> Tommy Oliver. Prod. by Oliver and Scotti himself. I knew the two
> worked already together on Scottis LP for Liberty Records resulting
> from his "Valley Of The Dolls" fame. But I had no idea who was
> responsible for sowing the seed of the Sunflower label.
Tony's single was quite nice. Not sure it made the charts though!
Mack liked that tune quite a lot. I'm sure that's why it got a shot.
Les
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anthony Arena
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore & double tracking
NO! Double-tracking isn't used to mask poor vocals. It's a recording
technique used to give vocals warmth and depth, and it makes the
singing hipper and cooler. Spector often double-tracked Darlene,
Lala, and Ronnie, but certainly not because they were poor vocalists
by any stretch of the imagination. A bad singer won't be hidden by
double-tracking, but a vocalist's weaknesses may, in fact, be
amplified by it. You can camoflage a weak a vocalist by propping
him/her up with excellent backing vocalists and blending the backing
vocal track into the lead vocal.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:27:40 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: The TAMI Show
Is the TAMI Show on DVD yet?
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:49:55 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore / Judy Craig
Phil M:
> I wonder why she was double-tracked so often -- my understanding is
> that the technique was usually reserved to mask the inadequacies of
> far less talented singers than Miss Gore.
Tony Leong:
> You know Phil, I've noticed the same thing with Judy Craig of the
> Chiffons--and she had a great sounding voice!!!!
Same here. You can really hear it on "Easy To Love (So Hard To Get)."
I heard a live version of "He's So Fine," from a Murray the K album
on a tape I got from Michael "Doc Rock" Kelly several years back, and
it was obvious Judy didn't need studio tweaking to reproduce her
recorded sound. The backing vocals were very hard to hear though.
Maybe it was just the style at the time. To be honest, sometimes a
bad over-dub is very distracting. If the master tapes are available,
can an overdub be stripped off?
Will : )
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:33:15 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: those darned Coxes
David Walker wrote:
> According to Alphabeat (1969) the Young Idea are Douglas Macrae-Brown
> and Anthony Cox and are both British (with the former being born in
> Florence Italy).
Any chance the latter could be the same Tony Cox as the one who had been
married to Yoko Ono?
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:27:55 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore, "Hey Now"
Jim Allio:
> My understanding of the recording of "Hey Now" is that the Sel-Sync
> (sp?) process was used, in which a singer overdubbed their initial
> vocal and it was delayed for a nanosecond, adding a bit of fullness
> and a different kind of texture.
Was it that quick? I thought that in the nanosecond range you were
getting into phasing territory. Most delays of this type are in the
millisecond range (i.e. Duophonic + 30ms).
Joe Nelson
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:44:47 -0000
From: MopTopMike
Subject: Re: Tommy Dae and the High Tensions
--- In spectropop@yahoogroups.com, Ed B wrote:
>
> Tom "Diamond Hunter" Diehl:
> > Can someone give me some information about Tommy Dae and the High
> > Tensions?
Ed B:
> Tommy Dae and the High Tensions were from New Haven Ct. area if
> memory serves me right.
The group was based in Rockville CT, home of Gene Pitney. Tom Dae
(pseudonymn for Frank Draus Jr.) began recording in the early pre
Beatle era. His dad, Frank Sr., was a producer at some big NYC based
label, which allowed him to get Tom recorded on some major labels.
The High Tensions included Tom on lead vocals, both of their Hitt
label 45's came out in 1966:
Looking For A Summertime Girl/You've Got It Made (Hitt 6601/2) May '66
Poor Man/No Use Hangin' Around (Hitt 6605/6) Dec '66
"Summertime Girl" was recycled for release as the B side to the '67
Diamond label remake of "Itsy Bitsy...".
Tom also sang lead but uncredited on a 45 by the Cirkit, "That's The
Way Life Is"/"Six Page Letter" on the Jody label in 1967.
Tom kept recording into the 70s under various monikers, including Tom
Dae Turned On (really lame LP, but cool '70 single).
Tom's musical style is all over the map, since his dad was obviously
trying to get Tom 'on the charts'. There is a great surfy instro
"Tampico Rage", from '64 on Hitt,credited as Tom Dae's High Tensions.
The Glo label single is a 'teener' type sound, recorded at Al Soyka's
studio in Somers, CT - an old refurbished movie theater.
The 45 he croons with girl group backup (the Tensionetts) is awful
(I'm being nice here...).
Tom's voice reminds me of a 'whine-y' Sonny Geraci. Most of his
records are mediocre at best. But the High Tensions Hitt label sides
are killer garage ,except for the pop styled "Summertime Girl" and
"Itsy Bitsy...".
MopTopMike
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:03:09 -0000
From: Doug Richard
Subject: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
Alan Gordon wrote:
> My understanding was that Jimmy Page and maybe another Led-band
> mate were also on the (Everly Brothers') "Two Yanks In England".
The accepted story has always been that "Two Yanks In England" was
recorded in England with much help from the Hollies and English side
men like Jimmy Page. So it is curious to me that in the booklet that
comes with the "Heartaches & Harmonies" box set, all the TYIE tracks
(Somebody Help Me, So Lonely, Kiss Your Man Goodbye and The
Collector) show that they were recorded at United Recorders in
Hollywood with all of the cream-of-the-crop American studio players
(James Burton, Glen Campbell, Don Randi, Al Casey, Larry Knechtel,
Jim Gordon, etc). I'd like to get the real story on this.
TYIE has long been my favorite Everlys album. I've got it on order
at Collectors Choice. It's about time it came out on CD.
Doug
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:17:20 -0700
From: Stefano
Subject: The Crayons, anyone?
I posted a message early last week, about a couple girl groups tracks
I have on a cassette, but do not have info. for, namely one track
called "Love at First Sight". Actually, I am not certain this is the
title, but it starts ("The movie was ready to begin...I saw his face
for just a moment", and then continues with "Oh what a night, it was
love at first sight").
Anyhow, I just found a listing for a girl group called The Crayons,
that recorded a song called "Love at First Sight" in 1963. Has anyone
ever heard of such a group, or know if it's the same song? Apparently
they released a couple singles on Counsel, that year. This is one of
them. It's a very nice song, hence my dedication in finding info. on
it.
Thanks,
Stefano
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:29:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Schowerer
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
Billy: What you heard on "Pity" by the Seasons may very well the
original session vocal. Don't forget, in those days, on a three hour
session (for four tunes), they had to record the vocal because
overdubbing with union musicians was a no-no. The leakage of his voice
into other instrument mics is most likely the cause. Then, his timing
on the redone vocal may at odds with the session vocal. They never
tried to carbon copy the previous vocal. The engineer on that date
was probably Gordon Clark (deceased) or Lenny Stea.
Regards, George Schowerer
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:33:05 -0000
From: Dave the Rave
Subject: Re: Tom Austin
Previously:
> ... Tom Austin is still playing some gigs with the current edition
> of the Royal Teens.
Gary Myers:
> Do they go as the Royal Geezers now?
They are going to be recording a new cd shortly in Pittsburgh and
actually toyed with calling the band "Royal Seniors".
Dave the Rave
www.davetherave.com
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:46:38 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Worst drop out on a CD
I nominate The Bloodrock 3 Cd put out by Renaissance Records for the
most notable dropout award. One of my all time favorite songs
"Jessica", has a very noticeable drop out within the last five
seconds of the song. It reminds me of my old reel-to-reel recorder
dropouts so it does have a certain nostalgia value to it. I just wish
it was not on that song!
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:53:44 EDT
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Edits, etc.
Since we're talking about bad tape edits/mistakes, how about the
annoying drum pedal squeak throughout "Come Go With Me"? I guess
WD-40 hadn't been invented yet.
John Fox
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:50:28 +0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: The Marquee Review
The Marquee Review and What Good Tomrrow is a currrent play on the
Northern Soul scene. Certainly Lenny Harkins plys it at the Caledonia
Soul Club in Glasgow. A copy sold for $510 last November:
http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=Marquee+Revue&x=25&y=7
FrankM
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 03:43:11 -0500
From: Anthony Parsons
Subject: Re: Lesley Gore
Hi Artie: So you ran the Lesgor and Buffee Music companies?
Amazing! I've always admired Lesley's writing and it's great to see
how she progressed through her career into a very fine writer. Out
of all the hundreds of artists and tens of thousands of records I've
collected in my lifetime, she was my first musical love and remains
my all-time favorite. There's a quality in her voice that has always
touched my heart like no other. Just thought I'd mention though,
that the original mono single versions of You Don't Own Me and I
Don't Wanna Be A Loser were single vocal tracks. The double tracked
vocal versions didn't appear until the stereo LPs came out. And most
of her singles from I Won't Love You Anymore (Sorry) on were single
vocals as well. Though Bear Family did put both vocal versions of
You Don't Own Me on their box set, the single vocal of I Don't Wanna
Be A Loser has not been reissued since the mono version of the Golden
Hits LP. I'm hoping that Westside will correct this if they ever get
around to issuing a two-fer of Boys Boys Boys and Girl Talk. In a
perfect world, we'd see all of Lesley's LPs issued on CD with both
mono and stereo mixes, much like EMI did for Cliff Richard's 40th
Anniversary. Many of Lesley's records are much stronger in the mono
mixes than the stereo ones and some are very different, especially
when you get to the Bob Crewe era. I'm also hoping that someday the
19 tracks Lesley recorded for Mercury which Bear Family indicates are
lost will someday be found. You never know!
More Gore!
Antone
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
Re the Eddie Rambeau LP, I seem to recall a very bad edit on the
song "I Just Need Your Love" right before the last verse.
One of the worst edits I ever heard was on a song by Marv Johnson
titled "Don't Leave Me". It's the flip side of his hit, "You've Got
What It Takes". The horrible edit comes during the intro right
before he goes into the verse. I went and bought another copy
because I thought my record had a non-reparable skip. Arghh.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
Alan Gordon wrote:
> My understanding was that Jimmy Page and maybe another Led-band
> mate were also on the "Two Yanks In England."
Fellow sessions mater, John Paul Jones, future Led bassist, was also
on the sessions.
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:49:03 -0400
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Double tracking
Double tracking is used MOST to make a weak vocalist sound passable.
That's why the producers of poor singers like Gary Lewis, Billy J
Kramer, Fabian, Frankie Avalon, etc ALWAYS double tracked and triple
tracked their vocals. Double tracking does not make a bad singers
flaws more visible, it hides them.
Mikey
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:49:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: The Crayons, anyone?
Stefano:
> Anyhow, I just found a listing for a girl group called The Crayons,
> that recorded a song called "Love at First Sight" in 1963. Has
> anyone ever heard of such a group, or know if it's the same song?
> Apparently they released a couple singles on Counsel, that year.
> This is one of them. It's a very nice song, hence my dedication in
> finding info. on it.
I did a little Google search, and found that the Crayons' "Love at
First Sight" was #39 on New Haven CT's WDEE chart for September 30,
1963.
Tom Taber
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:50:33 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: The Crayons, anyone?
Stefano:
> Anyhow, I just found a listing for a girl group called The Crayons,
> that recorded a song called "Love at First Sight" in 1963. Has
> anyone ever heard of such a group, or know if it's the same song?
> Apparently they released a couple singles on Counsel, that year.
> This is one of them. It's a very nice song, hence my dedication in
> finding info. on it.
Yes, the Crayons were mildly popular around 1963/4. I have their 45
of "Crazy Dream" and its a nice uptempo record. I understand it's
VERY rare. So I'm happy i have it!!
Mikey
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:27:21 -0700
From: Richard Fannan
Subject: Re: The TAMI Show
Bill Mulvy:
> Is the TAMI Show on DVD yet?
No. I saw somewhere that a European DVD was recently released with
portions of the TAMI Show and portions of the TNT Show. It appears
that licensing problems are preventing the TAMI Show from being
released in its entirety.
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
Doug Richard wrote:
> The accepted story has always been that "Two Yanks In England" was
> recorded in England. The booklet that comes with the "Heartaches &
> Harmonies" box set, show that they were recorded at United
> Recorders in Hollywood with all of the cream-of-the-crop American
> studio players (James Burton, Glen Campbell, Don Randi, Al Casey,
> Larry Knechtel, Jim Gordon, etc). I'd like to get the real story
> on this.
This bunch of musicians sounds more like those who were on the
Everlys' "Beat & Soul" album. Like you, I'd like to know the real
story too.
Einar
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Today's Finds
James Botticelli mentioned:
> Ernie Freeman - Where Were You (Keller/Goffin) b/w What Do I See In
> The Girl (Kooper/Levine) on Capitol, a Lou Rawls soundalike.
I think you mean Ernie Andrews.
Rob Pingel
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