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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Double Tracking
From: Tony Leong
2. Re: Double tracking
From: Tom Taber
3. The Cray-ons
From: Ian Slater
4. Re: Bad splices
From: Nick Archer
5. Claire is okay!!!
From: Kiva
6. Re: Double Tracking / The Chiffons
From: George Schowerer
7. Re: Keren Ann
From: Dave Monroe
8. Re: Spanish Girls galore
From: Dave Monroe
9. Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
From: Billy G Spradlin
10. The Marquee Review
From: Frank Murphy
11. Re: Bad splices
From: Robert R. Radil
12. Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
From: Scott Swanson
13. Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
From: Dan Nowicki
14. Re: Jack Keller, RIP
From: Austin Roberts
15. Thee Prophets
From: S.J. Dibai
16. Welcome aboard, John Beland
From: Austin Roberts
17. Re: The Marquee Review
From: Joe Nelson
18. Everly Brothers Box Set?
From: Alan Gordon
19. Re: Thee Prophets
From: Mikey
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:32:12 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Double Tracking
If you listen to "Stumble and Fall", "Winter Wonderland", it's
actually Darlene's sister Edna singing along with her. And didn't
they make a fine blend!!!???? There were also a couple of Ronettes
songs that I thought Ronnie had overdubbed her voice, but later I
found out Nedra was singing along with her ("Keep On Dancing"), or
it was all three Ronettes in unison ("Soldier Baby"). I've also been
told that in those Spector sessions, the BACKGROUND vocals were
sometimes doubled.
Tony
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Double tracking
Previously:
> ... producers of poor singers like Gary Lewis, Billy J Kramer,
> Fabian, Frankie Avalon, etc ALWAYS double tracked and triple
> tracked their vocals...
Off the top of my head, I don't believe either Fabian or Frankie
Avalon were usually, if ever, double tracked. Surely some echo or
whatever was added to their voices. Am I correct, troops???
Tom Taber
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:11:40 +0100
From: Ian Slater
Subject: The Cray-ons
In reply to questions about the above, I have two 45s by the group.
They were billed as the Cray-ons. The records are:
COUNSEL 121 (SEPE - Brooks Production) 1963
Teach me Mama (A. Walker, F. James) /
Crazy Dream (Bennett, Fink, Romans)
COUNSEL 122 (SEPE - Brooks Production) 1963
Love at First Sight (G. Matola, R. Page) /
I Saw You (Baker, Romans, Fink)
And, yes, "Love at First Sight" is the one Stefano has on the
cassette. They are all classic black girl group tracks but I like
that one best.
Ian Slater
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:53:46 -0500
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Re: Bad splices
John Fox wrote:
> Since we're talking about bad tape edits/mistakes, how about the
> annoying drum pedal squeak throughout "Come Go With Me"? I guess
> WD-40 hadn't been invented yet.
Much as I like it, the entire intro of "Deeper & Deeper" by Freda
Payne seems spliced on.
Nick Archer
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:45:31 EDT
From: Kiva
Subject: Claire is okay!!!
Hello everyone,
My name is Kiva and I am Claire Francis's daughter. I just wanted to
let you all know that mom is okay!! Thank you all so much for all
your thoughts and prayers, mom said she got every one of them and
they all worked!!! So thank you all very much for all the love and
support.
Love and light,
Kiva
httP://www.upfrontphotography.com
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Schowerer
Subject: Re: Double Tracking / The Chiffons
Will Stos:
> I heard a live version of "He's So Fine," from a Murray the K album
> on a tape I got from Michael "Doc Rock" Kelly several years back,
> and it was obvious Judy didn't need studio tweaking to reproduce
> her recorded sound. The backing vocals were very hard to hear
> though. Maybe it was just the style at the time. To be honest,
> sometimes a bad over-dub is very distracting. If the master tapes
> are available, can an overdub be stripped off?
There has been confusion over mono and stereo versions of "He's So
Fine". I recorded that hit for the Tokens (producers) at Allegro
studios in mono. The only way a vocal can be stripped is to go back to
the previous mix (before a new layer was added). You see, most of
this time period, recordings were done in monaural, bouncing and
adding things in each layer of recording. The trouble comes from the
fact that so many of these sessions started out as demos...and the
rules in those days were that you paid less than the normal rate for
sessions (which were booked as "demos"). On a demo session, the
client got to keep one take only and it was stored by the studio for
making acetate dubs (records). If the song was subsequently sold to a
record company, then the producers came back to the studio and paid
the difference in studio rates, the producers then owned the single
take and could take it with them. This was true for "16 Candles/
Crests, etc. If the session was booked at the full rate, then the
client got to keep everything from the session. This is what controls
the possiblity of changing the structure of the original session,
making stereo mixes available later on, since the original intention
was for a mono 45 record release.
Regards, George Schowerer
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:22:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Keren Ann
The French Are Coming
Keren Ann and Nouvelle Vague open up New York ears to the
chanteuse nation
by Emma Pearse
http://villagevoice.com/music/0514,pearse,62694,22.html
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Spanish Girls galore
Here's a hyperlink and tracklisting for the current installment of No
Me Des Tormento, an online radio show originating in Spain. This
week, DJ Borja Gorostiza and his perdiodic guest, Miguel Angel
Patilla, spun some Spanish ye-ye apparently at my request (you can
hear my name when they introduce Mony's "Schopenhauer"). Well worth
listening every week ...
PROGRAMAS AHORA y Disponibles 24h en
NOW RECORDED SHOWS Available 24h a day at
»» http://listen.to/nmdt »» LISTEN SHOW
NEW!! Apr 06th, 2005
de Lorellas and Shakers
invitado/guest :: Miguel Angel "Patilla"
1. Silvana Velasco. hush [SG/RCA]
2. Lorella y los Shakers. sola estoy [EP/RCA]
3. Mony. schopenhauer [EP/Fontana]
4. Shelly & Nueva Generacion. i'm a poor boy [SG/Philips]
5. Tara. happy [SG/Polydor]
6. Celines y los Mistics. si no eres tu (wasn't it you) [SG/MYK]
7. The Shadows. scotch on the socks [EP/HMV]
8. The New Breeder. want ad reader [SG/HBR]
9. The Hunger. mind machine [SG/Public]
10. Terry Britten. bargain day [SG/Columbia]
11. Bruno Castiglia e i Bisonti. viso di luce [SG/City]
12. Charlie Earland's Erector Set. yes suh' [SG/Eldorado]
13. The Bit A Sweet. out of sight, out of mind [SG/MGM]
14. The Grassroots. midnight confessions [SG/RCA]
15. Love Children. easy squeezy [SG/Deram]
16. The Shake. oh, no [Demo] http://www.theshake.net
viernes 8 abril
LIVE The Shake http://www.theshake.net
Sala P'abersematao - Sedavi, Valencia - 23.00h
http://www.pabersematao.com
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:07:02 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe productions & Worst Tape Edits
I'm listening to "Pity" again (on CD) and it sounds to me like Frankie
started singing that last verse a few seconds late. So they re-wound
the tape and punched him in, but the that track didnt erase completly.
You only hear the print through only on that last verse. It's still a
great recording, most Garage Bands in 1966 would have killed to have
a A-Side as good as this Seasons B-side/LP track.
Billy
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:27:14 -0000
From: Frank Murphy
Subject: The Marquee Review
If you want to dip into the strange world of Northern soul and find
out how records are picked up for play head for Reflections on
Northern Soul:
http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/index.php?genre=&show=65
and click on the show 2004-01-22
The Marquee Review cut of What Good tomorrow will be found 42 minutes
in on a windows media player.
Here's the play list from the 2004 01 22 when Lenny Harkins of The
Caledonia Soul Club was my guest. It helps if you can cope with Craig
Ferguson's accent.
San Reno Strings - Hungry for love
The Marvelettes - You're my remedy
Lenny Harkins
The Flirtations - Need your Love
The Tiaras - Love's made a connection
The Magnetics - When I'm with my baby
The Magictones - There's nothing better than love
TC Lee and The Bricklayers - Up and Down The Hill
Les Chansonettes - Don't Let Him Hurt You
Strings and Things - Fabulous New York
The Cautions - No Other way
The Spontanes - Where Did I Go wrong
Clay Hunt - In the City square
Marquee Review - What Good Tomorrow
The Rotations - Can't Find her
Mr Caldwell - Love Bandit
Soundsations - Mr. Sensation
Curtis Lee - Is She in Your Town
Youth Opportunities - Hopes Dreams and Tombstones
Cookie Jackson - Do You still Love Me
The Kittens - It's Got to be Love
The Foxes - Mighty Good sign
Luther Ingram - If it's all the same to you
Steve Mancha - Monday thru Thursday
The Endeavours - I can't stop Crying
Lily Fields - I've Got to tell you
E Rodney Jones - Peace of Mind
Brice Coffield - Ain't That Right
The Fiestas - Think Smart
Emmanuel Laskey - Gotta run for my life
Jamo Thomas - Stop the baby
Joe Monte - Hurtin' Myself
Terry Randazzo - You Don't Need Heart
FrankM
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:27:58 -0000
From: Robert R. Radil
Subject: Re: Bad splices
Mikey wrote:
> MY vote for worst tape splice has got to be that hideous edit of
> "Let It Be" for single release. Right in the middle of George's
> guitar solo, that splice is jarring as all hell. And to top it,
> Phil Spector did it!!
Phil Spector did it??? I didn't think he had any involvement with the
single version. I thought he only got involved with the LP remix
version.
Bob Radil
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:01:21 -0700
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
Doug Richard writes:
> The accepted story has always been that "Two Yanks In England" was
> recorded in England with much help from the Hollies and English side
> men like Jimmy Page. So it is curious to me that in the booklet
> that comes with the "Heartaches & Harmonies" box set, all the TYIE
> tracks (Somebody Help Me, So Lonely, Kiss Your Man Goodbye and The
> Collector) show that they were recorded at United Recorders in
> Hollywood with all of the cream-of-the-crop American studio players
> (James Burton, Glen Campbell, Don Randi, Al Casey, Larry Knechtel,
> Jim Gordon, etc). I'd like to get the real story on this.
But doesn't the box also credit Page in the liner notes? I know he
played on at least one song from TYIE ("Hard Hard Year"). It seems
odd that The Everlys would record some Hollies songs in London
(i.e. "Hard Hard Year") but others in Hollywood (i.e. "So Lonely").
Then again, the album's master tape #s might provide a clue:
JA 15143 - Don't Run And Hide
JA 15144 - Have You Ever Loved Somebody
JA 15145 - Fifi The Flea
JA 15146 - Hard Hard Year
JA 15147 - Like Everytime Before
JA 15148 - Signs That Will Never Change
J 15157 - Kiss Your Man Goodbye
J 15246 - The Collector
J 15247 - So Lonely
J 15248 - I've Been Wrong Before
J 15249 - Pretty Flamingo
J 15260 - Somebody Help Me
That's quite the coincidence that ALL the alleged Hollywood songs
have "J" prefixes, while at least one confirmed London song has a
"JA" prefix.
Hopefully the new CD re-issues will offer some clarification.
Regards,
Scott
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:44:26 EDT
From: Dan Nowicki
Subject: Re: The Everly Brothers' "Two Yanks In England"
Doug Richard writes:
> The accepted story has always been that "Two Yanks In England" was
> recorded in England with much help from the Hollies and English side
> men like Jimmy Page. So it is curious to me that in the booklet
> that comes with the "Heartaches & Harmonies" box set, all the TYIE
> tracks (Somebody Help Me, So Lonely, Kiss Your Man Goodbye and The
> Collector) show that they were recorded at United Recorders in
> Hollywood with all of the cream-of-the-crop American studio players
> (James Burton, Glen Campbell, Don Randi, Al Casey, Larry Knechtel,
> Jim Gordon, etc). I'd like to get the real story on this.
Al Casey once told me that he has no recollection of playing on any
Everly Brothers sessions. Apparently session documents contradict
this, but, if so, Al suspects it must have been one of those
instances where he worked on backgrounds without knowing where they
would wind up (which happened frequently). He said he's sure he would
remember being in the studio with the Everly Brothers.
Dan Nowicki
Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:24:06 -0400
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Jack Keller, RIP
Jack Keller's funeral, though sad became a celebration of a wonderful
man. I've known and worked with Jack for 25 years and was
particularly happy to see many of his friends and family there. Tony
Orlando gave a great Eulogy and we all went back to Robi (Jack's
widow) and Jack's house. There was a who's who of music business
business, including Toni Wine, Artie Kaplan, Bobby Feldman and many
more. We told Jack Keller stories til we were worn out. The man was a
fantastic man and leaves a legacy of love and great songs; I am proud
to have known him.
Austin Roberts
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:09:37 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Thee Prophets
Greetings, fellow Spectropoppers. I recently purchased the lone LP
by Milwaukee's Thee Prohpets, "Playgirl," which came out on Kapp in
1969. Mind you, this was a pig in a poke for me, since I'd never
even heard the title track, which was the group's only national hit--
and not even a big one, only making #49 on Billboard.
It's amazing how familiar this album sounds considering it's by a
group I've never heard before! The title track is a great
bubblegummy pop tune in the vein of the Buckinghams' Columbia
hits.....but that pretty much sets the tone for the entire LP. Carl
Bonafede managed and co-produced this group, and it sounds to me
like he was trying to create the next Buckinghams--Thee Prophets
even do a passive run-through of "Kind of a Drag." Indeed this stuff
sounds like it's trapped in 1966 or '67--nothing sounds very "1969"
to my ears. And quite frankly, I find much of the material here
eminently forgettable.
I read in the last online edition of "Fuzz Acid And Flowers" that
Thee Prophets were a hard rock band that got turned into a pop group
by the folks handling their career, and that does not surprise me at
all. The hard, distorted guitars on "Magic Island" and "Heartbreak
Avenue" are mixed in uneasily with the over-the-top strings and
horns that Lew Douglas splattered all over the album. The demented,
screaming lead vocal on "Double Life" and the on-the-beat/off-the-
beat drumming of Chris Michaels seem to indicate that these guys
were a rowdy garage band. Then again, lead guitarist Jim Anderson
provides the only group-penned songs in the form soft, torturous
ballads! One curiosity worth noting is a rare remake of an original
Searchers tune, Chris Curtis' "I Pretend I'm With You," which is
enjoyable despite the silly showbizzy horn arrangement.
In all, a remarkable attempt to mold a band into a clone of a past
sensation, and an album that is best appreciated as an intriguing
artifact rather than an artistic statement.
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:38:41 -0400
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Welcome aboard, John Beland
To my good buddy John Beland; Welcome aboard.
Austin
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:57:14 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: The Marquee Review
Frank Murphy:
> The Marquee Review and What Good Tomrrow is a currrent play on the
> Northern Soul scene. Certainly Lenny Harkins plys it at the
> Caledonia Soul Club in Glasgow. A copy sold for $510 last November:
> http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext==Marquee+Revue&x==25&y==7
Mint minus. At that price it'd better be. I figure it had to be in
better shape than my copy.
Joe Nelson
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:09:22 -0700
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Everly Brothers Box Set?
Has anyone seen a song list and graphics etc., for the Bear Family WB
Everly Box set? Or even a release date?
~albabe
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:13:41 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Thee Prophets
S.J. Dibai:
> Greetings, fellow Spectropoppers. I recently purchased the lone LP
> by Milwaukee's Thee Prophets, "Playgirl," which came out on Kapp in
> 1969. Mind you, this was a pig in a poke for me, since I'd never
> even heard the title track, which was the group's only national hit-
> - and not even a big one, only making #49 on Billboard.
Great LP, and the guy who mastered it here in NYC was Don Van Gordon,
who I knew from my days working at a tiny indie label in the '80s.
Very nice guy, and great technical skills.
Mikey
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