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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: LS Bumblebee
From: Steve Harvey
2. The Complete Motown Singles, Vol. 2: 1962 details
From: Ray
3. Re: Brit Girls
From: Frank M
4. Re: Joel Christie
From: Phil X Milstein
5. Diamond on Diamond
From: David A. Young
6. Arrangers
From: Mick Patrick
7. Re: lingo gap
From: Stewart Epstein
8. Re: Kathy and Helen and some more girls
From: Simon White
9. "A Satisfied Mind"; Ten Broken Guys
From: Country Paul
10. Denny Reed
From: S'pop Projects
11. Re: Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro
From: Dave Monroe
12. The Vogues - You're The One
From: Paul Urbahns
13. Re: Welcome Joop
From: Eddy
14. Re: Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro
From: Roy Clough
15. Demos / Alan O'Day
From: Artie Wayne
16. The Complete Cathy Carroll
From: David A. Young
17. Re: Queen for Tonight/ Helen Shapiro/ John Lennon
From: Artie Wayne
18. Re: Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro
From: Gary Myers
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: LS Bumblebee
Clark Besch wrote:
> Now do I have this wrong, or did he and Cook
> do "LS Bumblebee"?
It was suppose to be a parody of the Beach Boys even
though it sound so much like the Beatles' material at
the time.
Steve Harvey
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:09:53 +0100
From: Ray
Subject: The Complete Motown Singles, Vol. 2: 1962 details
By 1962, Motown wasn't yet the hit factory it would later become,
but they had regular chart success, and were reaching across the
ocean to influence the emerging British Invasion. Both Smokey
Robinson's "You've Really Got A Hold On Me" (later covered by
The Beatles) and The Contours' Berry Gordy-penned smash "Do You
Love Me" (covered by Brian Poole & The Tremeloes) make their debut
on this second volume of The Complete Motown Singles.
The year marked the debut of four new imprints in the Motown
empire: Divinity, Workshop, Mel-o-dy, and Gordy. It also saw
"You Beat Me To The Punch" top the R&B charts, as well as
cracking the Top 10 on the pop side.
This four-CD set offers a miraculous peek behind the curtains
of what was rapidly becoming "The Sound Of Young America." It
features the A-side and B-side of every single released by Motown
and its subsidiaries during the label's fourth year of existence.
Each track builds ever closer to reaching Gordy's goal of growing
his music empire into an entertainment juggernaut.
Over the course of the set's 112 tracks, you can hear The
Temptations masquerading as The Pirates, the vocal version of
the "Theme From Exodus", and the phone number that was on the
lips of America: "Beechwood 4-5789" courtesy of the Marvelettes.
The opulent packaging resembles a scaled-down 78-rpm-era "album,"
with cardboard sleeves to hold each of the discs, and 88 pages
of rare photos, detailed annotations and scholarly - as well as
personal - liner notes. It also features a reproduction 45-rpm
single from its era; in this case, it's Mary Wells' "You Beat Me
To The Punch" b/w "Old Love (Let's Try It Again)."
Claudette Robinson, a member of The Miracles and Smokey's
ex-wife, contributed a personal essay to the set detailing
the artist's-eye-view of life in the label's early years.
Also included is an historical overview by author and scholar
Gerald Early of Washington University in St. Louis, and track-
by-track annotations, with not just song credits but stories
behind each song, by noted authors and discographers Bill Dahl
and Keith Hughes.
The Complete Motown Singles, Volume 2: 1962 is a limited-edition
set. Most of the songs contained on it are unavailable anywhere
else; many had never been re-released on vinyl, let alone on
compact disc. When the edition is sold out, it's gone for good,
so act now.
Volume 2 is the second in a proposed 12-part series;
Volume 3 will follow later this year.
For those who don't want the great packaging or just want a few
of the songs themselves, all of the 112 songs contained on The
Complete Motown Singles, Volume 2: 1962 are also available for
download exclusively at Apple's iTunes music store. Price: $79.98
Track Listing
Disc 7
1. Mr. Sandman - Marvin Gaye
2. I'm Yours, You're Mine - Marvin Gaye
3. What Is A Man (Without A Woman) - Henry Lumpkin
4. Don't Leave Me - Henry Lumpkin
5. The One Who Really Loves You - Mary Wells
6. I'm Gonna Stay - Mary Wells
7. Your Baby's Back - The Downbeats
8. Request Of A Fool [a.k.a. I Wanna Know Why] - The Downbeats
9. Big Joe Moe - Singin' Sammy Ward
10.Everybody Knew It But Me - Singin' Sammy Ward
11. Everybody's Talking About My Baby - Debbie Dean
12. I Cried All Night - Debbie Dean
13. I Out-Duked The Duke - Little Otis
14. Baby I Need You - Little Otis
15. (You're My) Dream Come True - The Temptations
16. Isn't She Pretty - The Temptations
17. You Deserve What You Got - Eddie Holland
18. Last Night I Had A Vision - Eddie Holland
19. I'll Try Something New - The Miracles
20. You Never Miss A Good Thing - The Miracles
21. Playboy - The Marvelettes
22. All The Love I've Got - The Marvelettes
23. Come Into My Palace - Lee & The Leopards
24. Trying To Make It - Lee & The Leopards
25. (If) Cleopatra Took A Chance - Eddie Holland
26. What About Me - Eddie Holland
27. Soldier's Plea - Marvin Gaye
28. Taking My Time - Marvin Gaye
Disc 8
1. Your Heart Belongs To Me - The Supremes
2. (He's) Seventeen - The Supremes
3. Your Heart Belongs To Me - The Supremes
[second version, w/echo]
4. Exodus - Hank & Carol Diamond
5. I Remember You - Hank & Carol Diamond
6. Opus No. 3 - Earl Washington All Stars
7. March Lightly - Earl Washington All Stars
8. Because I Love Her - The Valadiers
9. While I'm Away - The Valadiers
10. I Call It Pretty Music But The Old People Call It The Blues
(Part 1) - Little Stevie Wonder
11. I Call It Pretty Music But The Old People Call It The Blues
(Part 2) - Little Stevie Wonder
12. Sleep (Little One) - Herman Griffin
13. Uptight - Herman Griffin & Band
14. Dearest One - Lamont Dozier
15. Fortune Teller (Tell Me) - Lamont Dozier
16. Same Old Story - Mickey McCullers
17. I'll Cry A Million Tears - Mickey McCullers
18. Do You Love Me - The Contours
19. Move Mr. Man - The Contours
20. Back In My Arms - Hattie Littles
21. Is It True (What They Say About You) - Hattie Littles
22. Fire - Gino Parks
23. For This I Thank You - Gino Parks
24. I Found Myself A Brand New Baby - Mike & The Modifiers
25. It's Too Bad - Mike & The Modifiers
26. Mojo Hannah - Henry Lumpkin
27. Break Down And Sing - Henry Lumpkin
28. Beechwood 4-5789 - The Marvelettes
29. Someday, Someway - The Marvelettes
Disc 9
1. You Beat Me To The Punch - Mary Wells
2. Old Love (Let's Try It Again) - Mary Wells [first version]
3. Old Love (Let's Try It Again) - Mary Wells [second version]
4. This Is Our Night - The Creations
5. You're My Inspiration - The Creations
6. Camel Walk - Saundra Mallet & The Vandellas
7. It's Gonna Be Hard Times - Saundra Mallet & The Vandellas
8. Stubborn Kind Of Fellow - Marvin Gaye
9. It Hurt Me Too - Marvin Gaye
10. That's Wha He Is To Me - Wright Specials
11. Pilgrim Of Sorrow - Wright Specials
12. If It's Love (It's Alright) - Eddie Holland
13. It's Not Too Late - Eddie Holland
14. If Your Mother Only Knew - The Miracles [first version]
15. If Your Mother Only Knew - The Miracles [second version]
16. Someday Pretty Baby - Singin' Sammy Ward
17. Part Time Love - Singin' Sammy Ward
18. Your Love Is Wonderful - Hattie Littles [first version]
19. Here You Come - Hattie Littles
20. Trouble Lover - The Charters
21. Show Me Some Sign - Th Charters
22. I'll Have To Let Him Go - Martha & The Vandellas
23. My Baby Won't Come Back - Martha & The Vandellas
24. Mind Over Matter (I'm Gonna Make You Mine) - The Pirates
25. I'll Love You Till I Die - The Pirates
26. Little Water Boy - Little Stevie Wonder & Clarence Paul
[promo version]
27. La La La La La - Little Stevie Wonder
28. Little Water Boy - Little Stevie Wonder & Clarence Paul
[commercial version]
Disc 10
1. Strange I Know - The Marvelettes
2. Too Strong To Be Strung Along - The Marvelettes [first version]
3. Too Strong To Be Strung Along - The Marvelettes[second version]
4. There He Is (At My Door) - The Vells
5. You'll Never Cherish A Love So True ('Til You Lose It)
- The Vells
6. Paradise - The Temptations
7. Slow Down Heart - The Temptations
8. Your Love Is Wonderful - Hattie Littles [second version]
9. Two Lovers - Mary Wells
10. Operator - Mary Well
11. Let Me Go The Right Way - The Supremes
12. Time Changes Things - The Supremes
13. Hold On Pearl - Bob Kayli
14. Toodle Loo - Bob Kayli
15. Happy Landing - The Miracles
16. You've Really Got A Hold On Me - The Miracles
17. Shake Sherrie - The Contours [commercial version]
18. You Better Get In Line - The Contours
19. Shake Sherrie - The Contours [radio promo version]
20. Camel Walk - LaBrenda Ben & The Beljeans
21. The Chaperone - LaBrenda Ben & The Beljeans
22. Darling, I Hum Our Song - Eddie Holland
23. Just A Few More Days - Eddie Holland
24. Hitch Hike - Marvin Gaye
25. Hello There Angel - Marvin Gaye
26. Contract On Love - Little Stevie Wonder
27. Sunset - Little Stevie Wonder
Ray
My music belongs to Motown Universal, but I don't.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:52:39 +0100
From: Frank M
Subject: Re: Brit Girls
Simon:
> But I digress. Can anyone explain why these two girls
> [Kathy Kirby & Helen Shapiro] remain so uncelebrated and
> apparently unappreciated? They're both brilliant vocalists and
> both made amazing records during and after their chart reigns.
There's a whole disertation that could be written about the
underappreciation (until they are safely dead and gone) of
British female vocalists. We just don't know hat to do with
them after the hits are over. Lulu, Cilla, Sheena and a whole
lot more. No wonder they head for TV careers as there is nothing
else for them to do. The UK Rock press just could not take female
vocalists seriously, bar maybe Dusty.
Frank M
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:55:52 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Joel Christie
Brent Cash wrote:
> if all goes well,it's also on musica - my first attempt at that.
> Details:"Since I Found You" Imperial 66198 (wr. by Joel Christie),
> Arranged by Gene Page, Produced by Marshall Leib.
Nice work, Brent -- it's a tremendously loud record, and your dub
captures that really well.
Thanks,
--Phil M.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:19:08 +0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Diamond on Diamond
In reply to Tom Diehl's and Fred Clemens's questions:
My copy of "Ten Lonely Guys" by Ten Broken Hearts is
indeed on the see-through brown vinyl Fred described
(thanks, I hadn't noticed that before) and does have
the flip "Shining Star," unlike the other DJ copy Tom's
seen. Does this mean I can count on the disc to figure
prominently in my retirement plan?
David A. Young
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:22:59 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Arrangers
How about this for a great piece of writing:
There's a craft that has all but disappeared from pop music these
days — the craft of the arranger. Nowadays, the producer (or some
other ProTools-mouse-clicker responsible for reassembling last year's
hit into the next hit) has usurped that task. Gone, largely, are the
people who, using pen-and-ink, wrote notes on paper, orchestrating
what Brian Wilson once described as "teenage symphonies to God".
(Brian J. Bowe - Metro Times, Detroit)
If so inclined, read the full article here:
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/review.asp?id=97391
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 03:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stewart Epstein
Subject: Re: lingo gap
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Does a term already exist for recordings that weren't
> released until several years or more had already passed?
> If not, I would like to propose calling them "post-release"
> tracks.
Phil, I like that term you suggest..it is particularly
"on-target" for albums such as Karen Capenter's solo album
which was actually ready for release around 1980, but not
released until 1996-1997..."post-release" tracks sounds
excellent to me!!!
Stew
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:32:13 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Kathy and Helen and some more girls
Rick Hough wrote:
> Here's Kathy Kirby's own official website. By the way there's a KK-
> approved tell-all on the way: http://www.kathykirby.co.uk
> It's great to see some long-overdue mentions for Helen and KK, two
> all-time faves, even if it's in the context of camp.
Well, that certainly opened the cupboard door!
By sheer concidence I received a record list this morning with
Kathy's "Big Man" listed 45 and priced as follows - UK Decca
£20.00 or £50.00 on a 'demo' or wait for it - £75.00 on a
Canadian Decca 45 ! Who am I to judge ?
I think it's fair to say that neither Helen nor Kathy made
it beyond a certain point for a number of reasons one of which
was that the likes of Dusty Springfield, Lulu and Cilla Black,
arguably the three most successful of their kind (I don't include
Petula Clark in this group). All had high profile UK TV careers
and were very much 'pop' stars. Whereas Kathy started well on
televison maybe she was always seen as a 'pub' singer (as my
mother used to say) and not a pop singer- fair to say her image
was more fifties than sixties I think. Helen perhaps lacked the
glamour that would have carried her through but also didn't have
the common touch that Lulu has and Cilla certainly has. That's
just my opinion of course.
Here's a personal Brit Girl top twenty-not in any particular order:
Stella Starr- Bring Him Back
Helen Shapiro - Queen For The Night
Lorraine Silver - The Happy Faces
Marion Ryan- An Occasional Man
Kathy Kirby- Secret Love
The Vernons Girls- Dat's Love
Jackie Trent - Send Her Away
Nita Rossi- Something To Give
Dusty Springfield - I'll Try Anything
Madeline Bell - Soul Time
Helen Shapiro - Stop And You'll Become Aware
Diana Foster- I'm Gonna Share It With You
The Breakaways - Thats How It Goes
Christine/ Maureen Evans - Somewhere There's Love
The Chantelles-I Think Of You/ Please Don't Kiss Me
Marion Ryan- Better Use Your Head
The Marionettes - Walk Tall
Shirley Bassey - Don't Take The Lovers From The World
Lady Luck And The Lullabyes- Young Stranger (are these Brit girls?)
The Chantelles- The Man I Love
Simon
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:39:28 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: "A Satisfied Mind"; Ten Broken Guys
ACJ:
> Believe it or not, gospel legend Mahalia Jackson recorded a
> version of "A Satisfied Mind" - one of the very few secular
> songs she ever did, though she did it in a gospel context.
> Even so, you can't get much more soulful than that!
True. While I don't consider it a secular song, "A Satisfied Mind"
is certainly spiritual (as opposed to "religious"). My favorite
versions remain Porter Wagoner and Glen Campbell, the latter being
a great country-rock version (on Capitol) with energy to burn.
Phil M:
> Note that the "ten lonely guys" of the song's lyrics bear
> the same first names as those of the "ten lonely guys"
> who wrote the song together. Cool record -- does anyone
> else hear a faint strain of "Memories Are Made Of This"
> in its melody?
Faint, yes. There's a lot of the Nashville sound of the day,
too, especially in the "Broken Hearts" version. I do like
Neil's lead vocal, though; there's more singin' and less cryin'
than in his later work.
Country Paul
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:10:15 +0100
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: Denny Reed
The S'pop Team needs some help. We are currently readying for
publication an article about Denny Reed. Does anyone have any 45s by
this artist? If so, maybe you could help with some label scans. He
recorded for Aspire, MCI, Nimbus, Trey, United Artists, Dot, Tower
and other labels. If you can help, please respond to this post and
one of the Team will get back to you.
Thanks in advance,
The S'pop Team
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:02:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro
Rick Hough wrote:
> "Helen In Nashville" (1963) is so good that it
> demands instant replay ...
I second that e-motion ...
DM
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:52:50 -0400
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: The Vogues - You're The One
Mikey wrote:
> Speaking of Gateway Studios in Pittsburg, they turned
> out some rock and roll classics, the best being (in my
> opinion) "You're The One" by The Vogues.
According to Bill Inglot, who examined the tapes, the
backing tracks for the Co&Cee Vogues hits were recorded
in Nashville then the tapes were sent to Pittsburgh where
the backing tracks were played and the Vogues added their
vocals. I understand in some of the two track versions out
now you can hear the monitor speaker in the vocal track.
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:57:16 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Welcome Joop
Joop Jansen:
> I would rather give the honour to Arnold Rypens
> and his fantastic work in the past -- and, hopefully,
> the future -- on the Originals website:
> http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm
With all due respect for everybody involved, I think
credit is WAY overdue for Paul De Bruycker here. He
gets an insignificant credit in The Originals book,
but is actually the person who started the whole concept
in his weekly radio show. Spending many hours in the
record shop where I worked, buying the records and taking
them to the radio station for a fee that didn't even cover
the price of the records. Here's to you Paul, wherever you
are ! It should be your name on the cover of that book !
Eddy
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:37:32 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro
Rick:
> The music of Helen Shapiro and Kathy Kirby doesn't really
> attract trendy (or respectable) labels nowadays, but their
> catalogs are littered with superb records which may or may
> not unleash The Drag Queen Within. So be it!
Basically Rick, both these artits suffered as a result of
the explosion of Merseybeat. Kathy Kirby was manged by
someone a lot older than her who reputedly was her lover
but contibuted to her downfall in my view.
Helen Shapiro about three years ago toured here in UK with
The Sarchers and The Swinging Blue Jeans and was well received
in my view but sadly she as not appeared on anymore sixties
package tour type bills which are now popular here in UK.
This may be through personal choice though as she is into gospel
music I believe these days.
Roy C.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:46:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Demos / Alan O'Day
How ya'll doin'? Several times over the past few
years Spectropoppers have asked me to post some of my
early demos to Musica. .Unfortunately, over the years
they've been lost or misplaced.
As long as I've been in he music business, the demo
has been the most important tool for a songwriter and
a publisher to get a cover record...but when I was
General Manager of Warner Bros. music in the early
70's the art of demo making reached new heights.
Alan O'Day was the first songwriter I worked with who
had a demo studio in his house, where he would play
every instrument, sing every vocal pecrart and put it
all together as an engineer. He consistantly made
demos that sounded like records...which made our song
pluggers job a lot easier!
One of the best demos that Alan made during that time
was on "Easy Evil", a song that has over 50 cover
records. I asked Alan if he would post it to
Musica...so keep your ears open for it!
regards,
Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:48:30 -0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: The Complete Cathy Carroll
After playing Cathy Carroll's "I Wish You Were a Girl" to musica
a few weeks ago, I felt inspired to prepare a homemade CD of all
the records I have by her, in chronological order. Unable to
establish the vintage of a couple of discs with resources on hand
in my library, I turned to the Web, where I learned of the existence
of a (no doubt "gray area") CD called "The Cathy Carroll Story"
that includes 24 tracks. Since I only have 11 of her singles, I
ordered the disc. It's now in my hands, and a very commendable
effort for a collection of its kind.
It contains among its selections 20 of the 22 tracks I own, omitting
one each of her two released versions of "Deep in a Young Boy's
Heart" and "Every Leaf That Falls" (the original ones on Triodex),
and the liner notes state that she released "at least" fifteen 45s.
That means that in addition to the four songs that appear here that
I don't have on vinyl ("He's Famous," "Cry," "I'm Available,"
and "If You Don't Know What You're Talking About"), I need to
identify and locate (at least) four more sides in order to achieve
my objective of arriving at "The Complete Cathy Carroll."
Here's the CD's track listing:
1. Poor Little Puppet
2. He's Famous
3. Jimmy Love
4. Cry
5. Deep in a Young Boy's Heart (Cheer version)
6. Every Leaf That Falls (Cheer version)
7. I'll Light a Candle
8. I'll Be Hurt
9. There Must Be a Way
10. Here's to Our Love
11. Johnny Come Lately
12. Where the Roses Are Growing
13. Look in the Heavens - It's a Falling Star
14. I Wish You Were a Girl
15. (I Know) That's How It'll Be
16. I Don't Wanna Give You Up
17. My Heart Already Knows
18. The Young Ones
19. Love and Learn
20. But You Lied
21. The Other Woman
22. If You Don't Know What You're Talking About
23. I'm Available
24. Goodnight Johnny
Please, please, what am I missing? I've identified tracks 22 and 23
as the two sides of Warner Brothers 5354, and assume that "He's
Famous" and "Cry" are each other's flips on another disc. Details on
that one, please, and what are the two singles still unaccounted for?
Thanks in advance for any help the Spectropop panel of experts can
offer,
David A. Young
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Queen for Tonight/ Helen Shapiro/ John Lennon
Simon...How ya'doin? When Ben Raleigh and I wrote
"Queen for Tonight", it was originally called "King
for Tonight" and had an [American] Drifters feel to
it. When Arnold Shaw, professional manager of
E.B.Marks music in the U.S., asked for a song for
English artist, Helen Shapiro we changed it to fit
her.
Although I watched the song go to number 3 on the UK
charts, I never realized how big it really was since I
never heard it played on my 'local' U.S.radio station.
When I met John Lennon, A few years later, on the UK
"Beatles for Sale" tour, I was introduced to him as
the writer of the song. With a twinkle in his eye, he
sang the title line acapella with a slight alteration...
"I am a Queen for Tonight, but will I be A King tomorrow?"
to fits of laughter from his entourage.
I originally thought John and his friends were laughing
at me. I didn't understand their reaction until thirty years
later, when I learned from various posts on Spectropop that
the song was considered camp from the beginning...which might
explain its lasting quality.
regards, Artie Wayne
http://artiewayne.com
P.S. Thanks for all the responses to my asking for
Charles Gillett's address [the man who puts oldies in
UK commercials]. He said he'll keep "Queen for Tonight"
in mind.
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 10:31:54 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Kathy Kirby, Helen Shapiro
> ...Snuff Garret's blueprint for Cher's chart-topping
> "The Way Of Love"
I've always wondered why neither Kirby's or Cher's didn't
make a simple lyric change to avoid the gay implication.
The whole song sounds like a woman giving advice to another
woman ("when you meet a boy," etc.), but ends with "what
will you do when he sets you free, the way that *YOU* said
goodbye to me."
Another funny one just occured to me the other day, too, when
I heard "Worst That Could Happen". I realized that, when he says,
"If he loves you more than me ..", it should really be "If he
loves you more than I .. ", unless both men are bisexual.
gem
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