________________________________________________________________________
SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
________________________________________________________________________
There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Bobby Darin Sings John Sebastian
From: Joe Nelson >jrnelsonsr@hvc.rr.com>
2. The Association - leased!
From: ACJ
3. Re: "Goodbye my love"
From: Joop
4. Picture Sleeves
From: Martin Roberts
5. The Association
From: Kingsley Abbott
6. Denny Reed
From: Martin Roberts
7. Re: C. Carson Parks
From: Phil X Milstein
8. Re: "Superstar"
From: Joop
9. Re: "Goodbye my love"
From: David Bell
10. Re: British Walkers
From: Mike
11. Re: Jimmie Haskell
From: Clark Besch
12. Re: Darin does Sebastian
From: Clark Besch
13. Re: "Superstar"
From: Eddy Smit
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:22:50 -0400
From: Joe Nelson >jrnelsonsr@hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Bobby Darin Sings John Sebastian
Although I haven't seen it mentioned here, Phil has posted a quartet
of Bobby Darin covers of John Sebastian tunes to his probe site,
timewise starting from the If I Were A Carpenter LP.
What I found interesting is that re: IIWAC, Darin says that the way he
got the song was "a couple of guys" (Charlie Koppelman and Don Rubin?)
kept coming to him with songs that he (Darin) insisted would never be
hits. The songs turned out to be "Do You Believe In Magic", "Younger
Girl" and "Summer In The City", and after he saw what happened to them
he decided the guys obviously were better judges of these things than
he was, so he was going to accept the next song they brought to him
which turned out to be "Carpenter"
Apparently Darin decided Sebastian was quite a songwriter ("Carpenter"
actually was a Tim Hardin tune) and tried his hand at a few of his
songs, yet none of them were among those that had been brought to him
beforehand. Does anyone know anything more about this?
Joe Nelson
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:57:57 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: The Association - leased!
For those interested: Actually, the Association's name wasn't sold,
but leased. By 1978, only one original Association member, drummer Ted
Bluechel, was still with the band. In a 1984 interview, he explained:
"Our management had changed, and pretty soon I was the only one left.
The money ran out, and, eventually, I had to lease the name to get out
of debt. ... On Nov. 20, 1978, I leased the name to Bill Larson, who
packaged groups of musicians. One night they'd go out posing as the
Buckinghams, one night as the Association, and so on.
"Our management up to that point was poorly handled, and my name was
signed to thousands of dollars of old corporate debts which were being
called in. I found myself in deep financial trouble. When we [the
original Association lineup] got back together, I leased the name back
to these guys [the other original members] and we all signed or names
to the outstanding debts. Even today [1984], this guy [Bill Larson]
can try it again, but I think the bogus groups have been squelched
out by our existence. All I can say if people get burned [by a phony
Association] is I'm sorry."
Source: "The Association: Collectively Collectible" by Marty Natchez,
in the October 12, 1984 issue of GOLDMINE. Later in that same article,
another member remarks about GOLDMINE's unwitting interview with a
bogus Association years before.
ACJ
"Optimism works. It is more useful than pessimism." - E.Y. Harburg
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:26:06 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: "Goodbye my love"
Roy Clough wrote:
> I'm trying to find the original version of "Goodbye my love", a big
> hit for The Searchers in the UK, it was called "Goodbye my lover
> goodbye" and was by Robert Mosely I think. Anyone have it?
Actually it is Robert Mosley and his original version was released
April 1963 on the Capitol-label (Capitol 4961). It was the B-side
of "CRAZY `BOUT MY BABY". It is on my wish-list too. Does anyone have
an MP3 of it.
Joop greets
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:42:36 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Picture Sleeves
Some while ago I was involved in a bidding 'war' for Eddie Hodges
"Seein' Is Believin'". Pleased to say I 'won' but I did get in touch
with the chap I outbid. He was interested in the records picture
sleeve; in fact Steve Pimper is interested in ALL US picture sleeves.
His interest has been on going for many years he used to write a
regular feature for DISCoveries.
>From his collection of over 10,000 US issued picture sleeves he has
scanned 4,150 different sleeves covering 5 decades onto CD. The CD-
ROM, which is constantly being updated, also contains listings of
over 12,000 sleeves with prices, a very impressive and fascinating
collection. Steve seems to be more a fellow collector than a dealer
but copies of the CD-ROM, which he calls, 'Slix Pix' are for sale.
I bought a copy and can thoroughly recommend it. If you have a yen
for the visual as well the musical history of music, checkout SLIX
PIX (Picture Sleeve Reference Guide) at:
http://journals.aol.com/spimper/SLIXPIXPictureSleeveReference/entries/155
Martin
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:45:53 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: The Association
ACJ wrote:
> I have a 1980s interview with members of The Association; at one
> point after the band faded from the charts, a member of the band
> sold the name, thus causing several years of imitators. If anyone
> wants further info, I'll dig up the article and post more info here.
Yes please - it may well explain a few odd things.
Kingsley
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:23:19 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Denny Reed
Long overdue, but I'm sure Country Paul will forgive me for catching
up so late! Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed Paul's interview
with Denny, presented by Spectropop:
http://www.spectropop.com/DennyReed/index.htm
Thanks also to the folks who posted some of his songs to musica.
While I'm at it some great music has been on musica recently, thanks.
Martin
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:21:21 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: C. Carson Parks
Very sad news about C. Carson Parks. As my form of tribute to him,
I've posted a few of his recordings to my Probe site:
* three tracks by the Greenwood County Singers (which also included
Van Dyke Parks and Carson's then-wife Gaile Foote in this version of
the group's lineup) -- alas, no originals
* The Mills Brothers' cut of Parks' "Cab Driver"
* the rarely-heard Carson & Gaile original version of "Something
Stupid"
Also there is a small image of the GCS LP cover; click on it for a
better view of the highest BHGpgm (Buddy Holly Glasses per total group
membership) ratio ever seen. Van Dork -- I mean, Van Dyke is the guy
in the lower right corner, but I can't see Carson for the geeks.
And, a couple of links:
VDP site that appears to be an authorized one:
http://www.vandykeparks.com/newsflash.html
Carson's own site (a bit eerie, in that it hasn't been updated to
include news of his death):
http://www.ccarsonparks.com/carson.htm
--Phil Milstein
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:52:18 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: "Superstar"
Mark Hill:
> Really great info about the chronology of, "Superstar." Much of
> which I didn't know. This website shows "Superstar" appearing on
> their 1972 LP, "Country Life", prior to the compilation, "Together":
> http://www.softshoe-slim.com/lists/d/delaney_bonnie.html#7
Eddy:
> That was indeed the plan, but the album never got released!
According to the following site it was released on ATCO 33-383 in USA
and on K 40324 in Britain:
http://www.bsnpubs.com/atlantic/atco266389.html
And in Popzamelwerk 1972 by Jos Stikvoort it is also mentioned.
Joop greets.
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:50:22 EDT
From: David Bell
Subject: Re: "Goodbye my love"
Roy Clough wrote:
> I'm trying to find the original version of "Goodbye my love", a big
> hit for The Searchers in the UK, it was called "Goodbye my lover
> goodbye" and was by Robert Mosely I think. Anyone have it?
Joop:
> Actually it is Robert Mosley and his original version was released
> April 1963 on the Capitol-label (Capitol 4961). It was the B-side
> of "CRAZY `BOUT MY BABY". It is on my wish-list too. Does anyone
> have an MP3 of it.
There are 2 copies of this 45 on Ebay at the moment...
David
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:15:48 -0000
From: Mike
Subject: Re: British Walkers
Shawn Nagy wrote:
> I always liked "I Found You" and had previously traced the
> group's origins to an Edmonton, Alberta group of the same
> name. Wasn't them of course on the recordings, but I did
> see a photo on eBay years ago and saved it for my own
> curiousity. I've uploaded it to the Photos section.
There is a cool article in the one and only issue of the fanzine "Breakthough"
from the mid 1980s -- the editor found a diary of a girl who followed the
British Walkers around their hometown of Washington, D.C., and had a teenage
crush on the guitar player. The BWs cut a killer version of "The Girl Can't
Help It" on Charger, in '65. I'm quite sure Roy Buchanan was not a member
of this group for a long time.
MopTopMike
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:46:57 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Jimmie Haskell
Mick Patrick asked:
> Other than the ones by Glen Campbell, Gene Vincent, The
> Lettermen and Darlene Paul, can anyone recommend any
> other recordings on the Capitol label that were arranged
> or produced by Jimmie Haskell?
I notice that Wayne Newton's big #13 hit from 1963, "Danke Schoen,"
was arranged and conducted by Jimmie Haskell. Of course, as is so
often the case, I flipped the 45 and there was a familiar name from S'pop.
Artie Wayne and Ben Raleigh wrote the B-side, "Better Now Than Later".
Hope this helps!
Clark
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 05:08:37 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Darin does Sebastian
Joe Nelson asked:
> Apparently Darin decided Sebastian was quite a songwriter
> ("Carpenter" actually was a Tim Hardin tune) and tried his
> hand at a few of his songs, yet none of them were among
> those that had been brought to him beforehand. Does anyone
> know anything more about this?
After That Alan Gordon's success with the Turtles in '67, Darin was given
his "She Knows" as an A-side in the summer or fall of '67. It's a great song,
but it didn't click. As for follow-ups to "Carpenter", I think Sebastian's
"Darlin' Be Home Soon" preceded "She Knows" as an A-side. My fave from this
period was Darin's two-sided hit, "Lovin' You"/"Amy". Despite "Lovin' You"
being big in east coast ports, "Amy" was most certainly the bigger side in
the lower midwest, going to #1 on KOMA (which also played "Lovin' You") in
Oklahoma City. I also liked his "Long Line Rider" after he moved to Direction,
but I never heard a new song on the radio by him after that. Certainly his
TV show should have helped him back to hit status, but it didn't.
Take care,
Clark
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:44:49 +0200
From: Eddy Smit
Subject: Re: "Superstar"
Joop Jansen wrote:
> According to the following site it was released on
> Atco 33-383 in USA and on K 40324 in Britain:
> http://www.bsnpubs.com/atlantic/atco266389.html
> And in Popzamelwerk 1972 by Jos Stikvoort it is
> also mentioned.
Everybody lists it, possibly because it came so close to being released.
And let's face it, they have to get their info somewhere ;). I've even seen
a scan for the cover somewhere. Maybe a copy or two did indeed get out,
just as I've seen an actual "Accept No substitute" on Apple.
Eddy
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
End
