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Spectropop - Digest Number 2011
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Charles Ives & the Cryan' Shames ( ! )
From: Bob Rashkow
2. Re: Dusty's "My Coloring Book"
From: Bill Mulvy
3. Re: Jimmie Haskell & the Raspberries
From: Bill Mulvy
4. Re: B B King's (club)
From: Cynthia Santiglia
5. Eugene Record / Evil Women
From: Bob Rashkow
6. 60sgaragebands.com August Updates
From: Mike Dugo
7. Re: Stateside label
From: James Botticelli
8. Re: The Raspberries
From: Karl Baker
9. Re: "Jackie" / "Jacqueline"
From: Various
10. The Raspberries live
From: Karl Baker
11. Re: Laurence "Larry" Weiss and "Bend Me, Shape Me"
From: Mark Maldwyn
12. Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P.
From: Artie Wayne
13. "Bend Me, Shape Me": the original
From: Joop
14. Re: B B King's (club)
From: Unsteady Freddie
15. Re: The Raspberries
From: Bill Mulvy
16. Re: The Roulettes
From: Reuben Kay
17. Jackie Lee
From: Mark Maldwyn
18. Kris Jensen
From: Bob Rashkow
19. "Gloria"
From: Dave O'Gara
20. Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
From: Sam Cooper
21. The Soul of Sue Records
From: Frank M
22. Carole King
From: Anita
23. Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P.
From: Rob Pingel
24. Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
From: Jens Koch
25. Re: "Gloria"
From: Dan Hughes
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:56:11 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Charles Ives & the Cryan' Shames ( ! )
Jim Kauffman re the original chaotic "middle" of "Susan":
> that was no "musique concrete, that was a snippet from Charles Ives'
> "Central Park in the Dark"......the Leonard Bernstein recording......
This makes it even more interesting. Didn't know that! Since Ives
could be considered a modern classical composer, that would almost
place "Susan" in the same category as "Morning Girl" (interpolation of
full symphony orchestra into a pop tune that starts out with only
organ, piano and a few strings) and "MacArthur Park", which utilizes
the entire orchestra more or less throughout the song.
Bobster
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:33:42 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: Dusty's "My Coloring Book"
Mary writes:
> Dusty Springfield's "My Coloring Book" - where can I find it?
Mike Edwards:
> Mary, I'm assuming you're in the US, in which case try amazon.com
> for a Taragon CD that combines two of Dusty's 60s' albums, "Stay
> Awhile/I Only Want To Be With You" & "Dusty". Her excellent
> version of "My Coloring Book" is included. If you're in the UK,
> you might want to try amazon.co.uk, where Mercury CD copies of "A
> Girl Called Dusty" (the original 60s' album with bonus tracks) are
> going for around £4. Dusty's "My Coloring Book" is a great track
> to own, as are all the others on these two CDs – you won't go
> wrong.
Mary, I have that Taragon CD and the sound is great and the songs are
in <<>>, unlike some other Dusty packages, where some songs are
not.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:07:01 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: Jimmie Haskell & the Raspberries
Karl:
> Jimmie Haskell did the string and horn arrangements on the first
> Raspberries album only.
Karl, If you are lucky enough to see the Raspberries live, you will
hear them perform that song to perfection, (including the AM radio
sound in the middle of the song). That was never one of my
favorites, until I saw them do it live. It was like a mini rock
opera. I now can really appreciate the brilliance of the song. Just
fantastic. All four original members too!
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:41:23 -0400
From: Cynthia Santiglia
Subject: Re: B B King's (club)
BB King's is really sort of a tourist trap, I think! I will only go
there if ABSOLUTELY necessary-like for the Raspberries show Sunday.
They advertised an 'open dance floor' and of course when we got there,
the tables were set up on the floor. They had fewer than usual, but it
wasn't general admission. Guess they didn't want to give up their
dinner revenue. The ticket price was steep but I know The Raspberries
guarantee was pretty hefty, and I felt it was worth it. I knew I'd get
a good show as I saw the very first reunion show in Cleveland last
year. I have to disagree slightly about the sound at BB's. Not superb
but I think it is relatively solid. I certainly think it's one of the
better venues in the city for sound. I think the mix is going to
depend, to some extent, on where you are. As far as I am concerned
though, that's not nearly enough to get me to go there. It has to be
an act I've GOT to see, that is playing nowhere else.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:23:46 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Eugene Record / Evil Women
I am mourning the death of Eugene Record. The Chi-Lites were only one
group, but a tremendously important voice of Chicago's R&B scene. Not
to mention the powerful recordings that Barbara Acklin did on her own.
Spooky Tooth's lengthy but wild version of Larry Weiss' "Evil Woman"
is found on "Spooky Two", their second LP released in the UK and
slightly later released in the States on A&M. This isn't the same
song as Crow and Black Sabbath recorded, nor is it the same song as
ELO struck it big with in the mid-70s. I am given to understand that
there are also at least TWO other songs with this title written more
or less around the same time--anyone know anything?
Bobster
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Dugo
Subject: 60sgaragebands.com August Updates
The August updates to 60sgaragebands.com are now online. Featured
this month are interviews with Bob Pennington of the Kolor Korporation
(Florida), Alan Aaron of the Yo Yos (New York), and Sid Whatley of
Just Us Five (Oklahoma). We've also added a comprehensive bio on the
Shags (Connecticut) in our new ESSAYS section, with super rare color
pics of the band on stage at the Zodiac Club. Check it out...
Mike Dugo
HTTP://www.60sgaragebands.com
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:09:05 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Stateside label
Mike Edwards wrote:
> It all started for me when Stateside put out a CD version of an
> O'Jays' compilation, "Working on Your Case" which they had out on
> vinyl in the 80s. It contains the sublime, "Lonely Drifter" (1963),
> which comes up for discussion from time to time. It deserves to. The
> unissued tracks here are faultless and that's before we get started
> on such issued gems as "Lipstick Traces".
I picked up that LP on a trip to London in 1985. I had previously
found a Minit 45 of Workin' On Your Case and was surprised at the
prolific output from the O'Jays prior to the stuff I knew, which at
the time was limited to Philadelphia International stuff. I was also
surprised to find out that "Lipstick Traces" was actually originally a
New Orleans soul nugget recorded by Benny Spellman. Great Stateside
anthology with all pre-Philly and pre-Bell Records recordings. The
Bell stuff has been reissued by Sundazed Records here about 5 years
ago FYI.
JB
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:21:33 -0400
From: Karl Baker
Subject: Re: The Raspberries
Clark:
> Karl, must explain why the incredible 5 minute "Don't want to Say
> Goodbye" was chosen for their first single. A great orchestrated
> piece if there ever was one. A top 5 hit here in Omaha area, that
> one song sold me well before "Go All the way" sold all the rest.
> Besides BB's, what did you think of the Raspberries concert? I
> would LOVE to see them.
I've always been of the opinion that "Don't Want To Say Goodbye" was
chosen as their first single because it evoked the sound of The
Beatles, yet was not a complete throwback (as the Flamin' Groovies
attempted).
As for their performance on Saturday: I cannot say enough positive
things about it. They sound as good as they ever did - perhaps better
now that advances in technology allows them to leave the mellotron at
home. Jim Bonfanti is probably the most under-rated drummer there is.
If The Who were unhappy with Kenny Jones (and that probably has more
to do with Kenny watching the accounts rather than his abilities),
Jim is more than capable of filling Keith Moon's drum seat - or Zak
Starkey's for that matter.
Saturday's set list was:
1. I Wanna Be With You
2. It Seemed So Easy
3. Let's Pretend
4. Last Dance
5. Tonight
6. Should I Wait
7. Nobody Knows
8. Makin' It Easy
9. If You Change Your Mind
10. Party's Over
11. Hit Record
12. I Can Remember
13. It's Cold Outside
14. Play On
15. Hard To Get Over A Heartbreak
16. Ecstasy
17. I Don't Know What I Want
18. Please Mr. Postman
19. You're Gonna Lose That Girl
20. Twist And Shout
21. I'm A Rocker
22. Go All The Way
A friend of mine went back on Sunday and said that while they
performed the same basic set reshuffled, they also included "I Can't
Explain" and, as second encores, "Slow Down" and Roll Over Beethoven".
Karl
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:15:21 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: "Jackie" / "Jacqueline"
A few more "Jackie/Jacqueline" songs. No more please. Thanks for your
co-operation:
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Good list, Mick. "Everybody has The Jackie Look!"
If album cuts are permitted, I'd like to suggest "The Last Time I Saw
Jacqueline", off the Neon Philharmonic's "The Moth Confesses" album.
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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A huge hit in Italy, Spain and France: Jacqueline by Marino Marini.
Frank
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Not to mention "Jackie Blue" by The Ozark Mountain Daredevils
(biggest "Jackie" hit, at least in the US?). And "Jackie" a la Scott
Walker was originally recorded by Jacques Brel. But y'all knew that
already, of course.
Dave Monroe
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Here's four others:
The Last Time I Saw Jacqueline - Neon Philharmonic
The Bubble (The Jackie Look) - Kris Jensen
Jacqueline - Bobby Helms
Jackie Blue - Ozark Mountain Daredevils
Rob Pingel
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And lest we forget "Meet Jacqueline" by the Troggs.
Karl Ikola
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:31:48 -0000
From: Karl Baker
Subject: The Raspberries live
My complaints about the mix (primarily the vocals being too low -
especially Dave Smalley's) were echoed by friends who sat or stood in
different parts of the house. It did seem to get a bit better later
in the set, though. I will not go there unless absolutely necessary.
I can't tell you how many times that I've decided against going to
see a show because of the venue.
Karl Baker
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:36:46 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: Laurence "Larry" Weiss and "Bend Me, Shape Me"
There's a killer 'ethnic' version by TV barmaid turned Diva; Lynn
Holland.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P.
When I was General manager and director of creative services at
Warner Bros. music in the early seventies. I worked closely with my
friends Larry Marks, Joe Boyd and Don Simpson at Warner films and
helped them find black composers and artists like Donny Hathaway, Joe
Simon, and Millie Jackson for their "Blaxpoitation" films, "Come Back
Charleston Blue" and "Cleopatra Jones".
I had a chance to travel all over the country and meet with some
incredibly talented people who I might never had met otherwise. I
remember hearing "Have You Seen Her?" by the Chi-Lites for the first
time while driving down the Sunset Strip and freaking out! I found
out that Eugene Record was the composer and lead singer of the Chi-
lites and I knew he would perfect for a couple of upcoming film
projects.
A few months later I was in New York and saw that the Chi-Lites were
playing at the Apollo theater in Harlem. I contacted Eugene and set
up a meeting backstage with him after the second show.
I sat in the third row with my platform shoes and "Superfly" hat and
watched an excellent show that ended with their latest release "Oh
Girl". The curtains closed and I waited for them to come back out
and do "Have You Seen Her?"...But they never came back!
When I went backstage, I told Eugene how disappointed I was when I
didn't hear my favorite song in their set. He said they would sing it
for sure in the next show. When I told him that I had to leave for
the airport right after our meeting, he and the other Chi-Lites did
an accapella version of "Have You Seen Her?" in their dressing room!
That's something that I'll never forget...nor the great influence
Eugene Record had on the soundtrack of our lives. Rest in Peace.
Regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:43:39 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: "Bend Me, Shape Me": the original
I think the Models version on MGM 13775 was released july 1967.
On the next link I found the recording-dates:
http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/d674.htm
The Models
MGM 13775
Arr by Larry Fallon
Mayfair Recording Studios, NYC June 28 1967
102766 Bend Me Shape Me
102767 In A World Of Pretty Faces
The Outsiders released their version april 1967 on the album "In"
(Capitol 2636): http://www.classicbands.com/outsiders.html
Joop greets
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:43:15 -0000
From: Unsteady Freddie
Subject: Re: B B King's (club)
I live in the neighborhood of the NYC BB Kings -- I have really come
to love the club. Sometimes the sound can be quite spotty though.
One thing to be warned about: they include a 'tip'/'gratuity' on the
bill, but a lot of people don't notice, and end up double-tipping.
Unsteady Freddie
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:26:33 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: The Raspberries
The Raspberries are probably the best "oldies" act out at this time
- and all the original members!
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:38:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Reuben Kay
Subject: Re: The Roulettes
Can anyone shed any light on the one-sided Oak Records version of 'I
Can't Stop'? According to the RCPG it came with a pic-sleeve. I've
never seen a copy, or even seen it for sale! Is it in anyway
different from the Columbia 45?
Reuben
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:24:40 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Jackie Lee
Talking about Jackies ... does anyone have a copy of the Jackie Lee
interview which took place recently on BBC Radio Kent?
Thanks, Mark M
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:12:30 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Kris Jensen
Speaking of the one and only Kris Jensen. Is he alive today? Anyone
know him or know of him these days? I want to kiss his hand. This is
the "Torture" guy!!! Before I got a copy of this fabulous 1962 mini-
smash, which I hadn't heard since I was a little tyke, I felt
"tortured" not having it (nor hearing it--on ANY oldies stations in
Chicago).
Bobster
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:56:50 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: "Gloria"
Here's a question about something that has always bugged me about
some oldies radio stations, and Scott Shannon's True Oldies Channel
in particular. Why does Van Morrison's version of Gloria get so much
airplay? He never reached the Billboard Hot 100 with his version. I
don't ever remember hearing it on the radio back in the 60's. Didn't
most of us come to know the song by the Shadows of Knight? It seems
to me that Morrison's version has even diminished airings of the SoK
version. Obviously, I know that Morrison wrote the song, but if
that's the criteria used by today's Oldies stations Program Directors
then why don't they play Carole King's version of You've Got a Friend
in place of James Taylor, or Michael Nesmith doing Different Drum? I
think you see my point. I like Morrison's version, heck, I like the
Doors version, too. But I think they're better suited for classic
rock stations. Van's just sounds out of place on True, or Real,
oldies stations. Anybody else share this view?
Dave 0'
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:52:24 -0000
From: Sam Cooper
Subject: Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
I'm another LJB fan and usually a lurker on the S'pop list. My
favorite album was was "EVERYTHING STOPS FOR TEA" (co-produced by
Elton John and Rod Stewart, who both made remarkable contributions to
it), circa around 1971. Last time I checked, it was impossible to
find. I don't know if it was originally only a vinyl release, but it
was not available as a CD when I did a search. The song list includes
AWESOME covers of "IKO IKO", "YOU CAN'T JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER",
"SEVENTH SON", "JUBILEE CLOUD", and the title track with a very
humorous intro. My copy is totally beat up with skips and pops. I
would gladly pay or trade something for a fresh copy burned to CD, if
someone out there has it. Of course, if it was actually available
through a distributor, I would just get it that way.
Sam Cooper
http://samcooper.iuma.com
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:01:33 +0100
From: Frank M
Subject: The Soul of Sue Records
If I remember to take this Cd in to the Studio this saturday afternoon
for 2:30pm (BST) The Soul of Sue records will be the CD of the week
and I'll try not to play the obvious tracks.
FrankM
http://www.radiomagnetic.com
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:31:35 -0000
From: Anita
Subject: Carole King
Hi-- I'm a big fan of Carole King, and I am really surprised that
there appear to be no biographies out there--either authorized or not
--about her. I was thrilled to see the feature on her last Sunday on
the CBS morning show! I know that she's a really private person, but
I think that her story would be fascinating. Anyone know of any books
I may not have heard of before? Thanks!
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:27:02 -0000
From: Rob Pingel
Subject: Re: Eugene Record, R.I.P.
First became aware of the name Eugene Record when he appeared as the
featured musical guest on Saturday Night Live. He performed a song
titled "Trying To Get To You" which sounded like a hit to me. I
finally found the record last year.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:26:30 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: Long John Baldry, R.I.P.
Sam Cooper:
> My favorite (Long John Baldry) album was was "EVERYTHING STOPS FOR
> TEA" [...] if it was actually available through a distributor, I
> would just get it that way.
The album was in truth unfindable for many years, but after incessant
mails from LJB fans, it finally found release this year. Details are
at the Long John Baldry site at:
http://www.longjohnbaldry.com/recordings/everythingstopsfortea.asp
Jens
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:01:37 -0500
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Re: "Gloria"
Dave O'Gara wrote:
> Why does Van Morrison's version of Gloria get so much airplay? He
> never reached the Billboard Hot 100 with his version.
Actually the Morrison version of Gloria peaked at #71 in Billboard
(by Them, not Morrison). Most people who heard both versions in 1965
felt the Them version was infinitely better, both vocally and
musicianally (there must be a word but that probably ain't it), but
US radio wouldn't play it because Van sang the line "She come in my
room." The Shadows of Knight sang it "She call out my name" and got
past the censors and had the American hit (it peaked at #10). To put
it mildly, standards have changed and Morrison's version no longer
offends. So it gets the airplay it was denied forty years ago.
---Dan, http://danhughes.net (spiffy home page)
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