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Spectropop - Digest Number 2023
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005
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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: another Artie Wayne and Joey Paige song
From: Brent Cash
2. Re: Jigsaw
From: Mike Edwards
3. Re: That Thing You Do 45
From: Matt Spero
4. Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica
From: Phil X Milstein
5. John Carter; Brenda Lee
From: Mike Edwards
6. Re: "Dark End Of The Street"
From: Phil X Milstein
7. Re: Larry Weiss songs
From: Clark Besch
8. Re: Lesley Duncan sings Carter-Lewis?
From: Mark Frumento
9. Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
From: Robert Pingel
10. Looking For An Anne Murray Song, Please...
From: Tracy Pernell
11. Re: Jigsaw
From: Clark Besch
12. Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica
From: Rodney Rawlings
13. Barbara Mills sings Carter-Lewis?
From: Will Stos
14. Re: Anne Murray song
From: Robert Pingel
15. Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
From: Alan Iris
16. True Love Never Runs Smooth
From: Bill
17. Baby Washington sings Larry Weiss
From: Mick Patrick
18. Valli
From: Phil X Milstein
19. Motown mixes
From: Phil X Milstein
20. Johnny Brantley / Music World label
From: Hans Huss
21. John Sebastian songs
From: Mike Edwards
22. Re: Jigsaw
From: John Berg
23. Choicy Beggar
From: Phil X Milstein
24. "Call Me"
From: Mike Bennidict
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:11:55 -0000
From: Brent Cash
Subject: Re: another Artie Wayne and Joey Paige song
Martin Roberts wrote:
> I've just spotted another Artie Wayne composition. "The Merry Go-
> Round Is Slowing You Down," written with Ed Silvers, arranged by
> Gene Page and sung by Joey Paige on Philips 40386. My 45 is not in
> the best of condition but if Artie has a story for us (!) and there's
> room I'll play it to musica.
This was also recorded by an outfit known as The Surprise Package, on
Columbia (4-44292), arranged by Al Capps, produced by Jerry Fuller.
Someone inscribed "9-28-67" on the label as well, though not credited.
I also vote for a story, Artie!
Best wishes,
Brent Cash
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:42:20 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: Jigsaw
Dave Monroe writes:
> Jigsaw's "One Way Street," now THAT'S genius.
John Berg:
> Prior to their chart success via "Sky High", Jigsaw had released a
> couple of late '60s LPs that are in demand among collectors of
> "pop-psike" and even "progressive" rock from that era.
Howard Earnshaw:
> Mike, was this the same Jigsaw who had a 'club' hit in the UK with
> 'One Way Street'?
Howard, I can recall only two songs by Jigsaw, "Sky High" and the
similarly styled follow-up, "Love Fire" but the above members agree
that Jigsaw did record "One Way Street". The big book shows that
Jigsaw apparently released "One Way Street" twice in the UK in the
late 60s:
MGM 1410 – "One Way Street"/"Then I Found You" (1968)
Philips 6006112 - "One Way Street"/"Confucius Confusion" (1970)
Given the enthusiasm in the above messages, I would love to see "One
Way Street" on musica.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:13:36 EDT
From: Matt Spero
Subject: Re: That Thing You Do 45
Just to let you know. . . there are real 45s of That Thing You Do. I
have two of them. they were done as a promo to go with the press
kit. The labels you scaned are slightly different than the props. and
the 45 is in STEREO.
Matt Spero
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:57:40 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica
Nick Archer wrote:
> I've played "Rhinestone Cowboy" by Larry Weiss to musica.
Thanks so much for that great treat, Nick! There's several spots in
Weiss's version of "Rhinestone Cowboy" that sound to me like he was
aiming the song toward Neil Diamond. Then again, I've never heard any
of his other vocals, so maybe he always sounded like that.
Dig,
--Phil M.
--
new at Probe:
"Ernie T., phone home"
i.e., huge batch of more weirdities
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 03:20:31 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: John Carter; Brenda Lee
Lyn Nuttall writes:
> Some songs by John Carter (the tip of the iceberg, I guess): John
> Carter & Ken Lewis: Funny How Love Can Be (Ivy League 1965)…etc
There's also Brenda Lee's "Is It True", although MCA's "Brenda Lee
Anthology" double CD from 1991 credits the track to John Lewis and
Mickey Most. Mickey Most produced it in London in 1964 with Jimmy Page
on guitar.
I believe "Is It True" is on the upcoming Rhino girl group boxed set.
A good song but to avoid the duplication I would have preferred that
Rhino included "Speak To Me Pretty", "Here Comes That Feeling" and/
or "It Started All Over Again"; all from 1962. These were top-20 UK
hits that were essentially b-sides in the US. They all have good "girl
group" vibes and I don't think they've been issued on CD
yet although I'd love to be corrected on this.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:47:46 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Dark End Of The Street"
Dave Heasman wrote:
> The first ever version I heard was the Burritos'. Obviously a great
> song, but Parsons loaded it with self-pity rather than Carr's despair.
> I prefer Milton's version because it adds intelligence - "this is how
> the world is, full of people meeting in secret, I guess we'll deal
> with it". I haven't heard Clarence Carter's version; I think he could
> do a credible personal job of it.
By sheer coincidence, just after reading the most recent postings on
"Dark End Of The Street," I opened up a recent online purchase of Lee
Moses' version of same, on the Atlanta-based Gates label. It turns out
to be closely patterned after Clarence Carter's, including the
remarkable rap about mosquito husbandry. Poor Spooner Oldham, always
listed at the ass-end of the great Penn-Oldham songwriting team, is
inadvertently (I assume) listed as "Norman" on Moses' version. That
notwithstanding, hear the track now at Probe.
The other side of Moses' "Dark End" is a remake of his monumental "Bad
Girl," here titled "She's A Bad Girl." The original, a two-parter on
Musicor from '67, credits the song to Moses alone. For "She's A Bad
Girl," the name Frears has been added to the credit. Anyone know who
that might be? Also, both versions are produced by Johnny Brantley --
the name seems familiar, but I can't quite place it. Can anyone help
with a few bio notes, and/or credits for him?
Dig,
--Phil M.
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:28:00 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss songs
Joop wrote:
> Some other Larry Weiss-compositions I discovered: -"Mr Wishing Well"
> (co-composed with Lockie Edwards Jr) recorded by Nat King Cole in
> 1963.
Altho "Mr. Wishing Well" was B side to his incredible "That Sunday,
That Summer", I always like this side too and it also got a lot of
airplay when it was out. It was a two sided top 10 hit on KOMA
Oklahoma City when my family visited the station in October, 1963 and
Chuck Dann gave us a tour of the station. He gave each of us four
brothers a survey hit and autographed the 45s. Mine happened to be
this 45 and that has made the songs on the 45 that much more special
to me. I had no idea it was a Larry Weiss song!
Clark
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:39:38 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Lesley Duncan sings Carter-Lewis?
Mick Patrick wrote about "Thank You Boy":
> Cool track. I prefer it to the released version too. But who is it
> singing, any idea? I was expecting it to be Val McKenna, but I can't
> make up my mind if it's her, Dana G or some other gal.
Someone suggested that it's Lesley Duncan which is plausible since
she, like Val McKenna, worked frequently with Carter-Lewis. Problem
for me is that I'm so used to Duncan's folk voice that I can't really
hear it. John Carter thinks it could be any of the above.
Mark F.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
Joop wrote:
> Lenny Welch's version of "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry" hit the
> US charts in june 1965,. It was released may 1965 on the Kapp label
> (Kapp 662). B-side: "Time after time". Ray Pollard's version was
> also released May 1965. His was on United Artists 856. B-side: "My
> girl and I". So I can't decide which was the original version.
Larry says:
> "...I was working for Kapp records at the time, and was in the
> studio when Tom Catalano produced the record on Lenny...it was also
> my idea to to Time After Time...my arrangements on both...I don't
> remember which was the original...though I suspect ours was as I
> was the writer..."
I always thought that Pollard did Larry Weiss's "Darling Take Me
Back, I'm Sorry" first because an excellent prior recording with the
Wanderers on United Artists, ("After He Breaks Your Heart") was also
written by Laurence Weiss. Pollard sounds like he was born to sing
Laurence Weiss compositions. There's also some evidence to indicate
that Pollard's version of "Darling...", United Artists 856, was in
April of 1965. "Voodoo Woman", United Artists 862, entered the
Billboard charts on 5/1/65 which at least suggests an April release
for the Pollard record.
By the way, where does one go to find out the month and the year of
any songs release?
Rob Pingel
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:50:18 -0000
From: Tracy Pernell
Subject: Looking For An Anne Murray Song, Please...
If any of you Spectropoppers have a copy of Anne Murray's LOVE SONG
CD, featuring the cut "Send A Little Love My Way", would you please
let me know. It was used in the movie "Oklahoma Crude", and was A Top
Five Adult Contemporary Hit, but never cracked the pop Top 40. I
can't find this anywhere in Nashville or Atlanta, so if you can help
me out, I would appreciate it greatly! The song was written by Burt
Bacharach ahd Hal David, by the way...
Yours in Spectropoppable Sound,
Tracy Pernell
Nashville
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:20:49 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Jigsaw
Joop wrote:
> And I own the 1975 album "Jigsaw" on US label Chelsea (CHL 509),
> which is a sort of best of from two UK albums from 1974 and 1975:
> "I've seen the film, I've read the book" and "Sky high".
Don't ask me to find and post the track to Musica, as my video stuff
is in disarray at the moment, but there is a video for "Sky High"
which as a completely different recording of the song by the group.
It was quite an interesting version as I remember it in case you want
to hunt it down.
Clark
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:57:59 -0000
From: Rodney Rawlings
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy" is in musica
That's a fantastic version. I think I like it better than Glen
Campbell's. My liking of the song has increased over the years, but
for a while I was put off by the verse's resemblance to "Sloop John
B"--anyone else notice that?
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:49:33 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Barbara Mills sings Carter-Lewis?
Re "Thank You Boy" @ musica:
I don't know is this is way off base, but that voice does seem a
little familiar. I was just listening to Where the Girls Are Vol. 6
and thought it sounds a bit like Barbara Mills (the track on that
collection was "Make It Last (Take Your Time)." A possibility? Or was
this definitely recorded in England?
Will Stos : )
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Pingel
Subject: Re: Anne Murray song
Tracy Pernell on Anne Murray's "Send A Little Love My Way":
> The song was written by Burt Bacharach ahd Hal David, by the way...
Actually, the song was written by Hal David and Henry Mancini.
Rob Pingel
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Iris
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss on "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
Seems to be that Alan Lorber was the arranger for Lenny Welch's
"Darling Take Me Back" and "Time After Time".
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:36:04 -0700
From: Bill
Subject: True Love Never Runs Smooth
Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of Bobby Vee's version
of the Gene Pitney song called "True Love Never Runs Smooth"? It was
released in the early 60's as a single and was backed by "Hey Little
Girl" I will pay for it. Just want to hear his version of a great
Gene Pitney song. Bobby has done well on other folks songs so I am
sure he will have done well on this one. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Bill
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:52:45 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Baby Washington sings Larry Weiss
Talking about the songs of Larry Weiss . . . One of the best
exponents of his compositions was the one and only Justine "Baby"
Washington, top '60s soul siren. Hear three of the beauties - "There
He Is", "Leave Me Alone" and "No Time For Pity" - on Baby's "The Sue
Singles" CD. See more info and a complete track list at this URL:
http://tinyurl.com/aprh3
Maybe Nick could ask Larry if he ever attended any of Baby's
sessions, or met Juggy Murray of Sue Records. It would be good to
learn a little about Larry's co-writer, Lockie Edwards Jr, too.
Thanks for "Rhinestone Cowboy", a treat to hear. How about another
track from that album please, when there's room at musica.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
PS: Justine Washington began her career in the Hearts. She was the
youngest member of the group, hence the nickname "Baby" - but you all
knew that.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:48:58 -0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Valli
Ed McGee wrote:
> I came across this link when searching for Shirelles info on
> Google. I don't know how complete the discography is, but it seems
> pretty comprehensive, especially since it includes non-Scepter
> releases and Shirley Alston solo sides:
> http://www9.ocn.ne.jp/~pelican/groups/data/shirells.html
Thanks for passing that along, Ed -- real interesting stuff. Can
anyone enlighten me about the "Valli" record listed there? It sounds
to me like the original "Soldier Boy" with an "answer" lyric thrown
thoughtlessly on top, but the crudeness is attractive, and I like the
sound of "Valli"'s voice. Was she a member of the group; one of
Florence's daughters; or some kid she found wandering around the
neighborhood?
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:26:02 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Motown mixes
Artie Wayne wrote:
> The endless remixing and meticulous mastering was the most important
> and the most frustrating part of the recording process. I remember
> sitting with Iris Gordy, who was head of quality control and
> listening to dozens of mixes of ten totally different tracks of
> Stevie Wonders production of "Let's get Serious" by Jermaine
> Jackson.
That is fascinating to me, Artie, although for a reason in addition to
the one you intended! I've always wondered whether Berry's sisters
really worked at Motown, or were simply, for whatever reasons,
treated to lucrative no-show jobs. Then again, Berry was never
exactly known for throwing away money where he didn't have to!
> I asked Iris if this many versions were unusual? she laughed and
> said, "Sometimes there are hundreds!"
Amazing that, in the days before studios had a gazillion processing
choices and automated fader-riding, the mixdown engineers could still
manage to pump out that many alternate versions. I suppose it goes to
show, given the virtually infinite amount of choices available for
each recording, how much of an alchemical art it can be to find the
"perfect" mixing combination.
Thanks for yet another insightful story,
--Phil M.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hans Huss
Subject: Johnny Brantley / Music World label
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> [...] Johnny Brantley -- the name seems familiar, but I can't quite
> place it. Can anyone help with a few bio notes, and/or credits for
> him?
Phil, Curious coincidence, for some time now I've been meaning to
ask the list about the New York label, Music World, which released
some of Johnny Brantley's "Vidalia" productions. Working from 1650
Broadway, they released some wonderful stuff on artists like the
Persians, Jimmy & Wayne, the Edwards Brothers, the Adventurers and
others in the early to mid sixties. Soulful and with a pop
sensibility! Does anyone know anything about the company? The label
reads "distributed by Antigua Productions, Inc., N.Y.C.", if that's
any help.
As for Mr. Brantley, he produced some great records. Here's a few:
Billy Frazier - Oh Baby (Look At Me)/Is That Right - Music World 111
Sam Williams - You Tempt Me/I Can't Stand The Pain - Music World 104
Sam Williams - Love Slipped Through My Fingers/Let's Talk It Over - Tower 367
Nate Evans - Why Is It Taking So Long/I'm Gonna Be Good - Atlantic 2466
Herman Hitson - Yes You Did/Better To Have Loved - Minit 32072
Also, It seems Mr. Brantley was involved in releasing some "fake"
Jimi Hendrix tracks. A long and complicated story may be found at
this link: http://www.earlyhendrix.com/artists/lonnie/fake.htm
Hasse Huss
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:08:31 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: John Sebastian songs
Artie Wayne writes
> Has anybody noticed that were in the middle of a John Sebastian
> revival? ..I'm referring to the four national commercials,
> currently running, that are using his songs, "Do you Believe in
> Magic", "Did You Ever Have to Make Up Your Mind", "Welcome Back"
> and "What a Day for a Daydream". They are selling clothing, soft
> drinks, insurance, and snack food cakes...and every time I hear a
> spot I have to smile. There is such a dearth of songs you can sing
> along to on radio and tv, Johns songs are a welcome relief.
C Ponti:
> It is a just a moment when this music seems universal for
> commercial use. The Rascals had a similar moment a few years back.
> Some music dates better than other music.
One person who understands the importance of an uplifting tune is
musician and former President, Bill Clinton. Remember how Christine
McVie/Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" thundered
from all those election night dances in Washington? Later on, of
course, we had Al Gore and John Kerry and no big uplifting tunes.
Result – they're not around any more. Love him or hate him, nobody
gets it like Bill Clinton and maybe he'll be back….in a supporting
role.
I'm assuming Mr. Ponti's referring to the Rascals' "Groovin'" and
"It's A Beautiful Morning", which when added to the John Sebastian
songs Artie references, make a superb catalog for anyone wanting to
put a sunny, positive and uplifting background behind a product
pitch. Such songs also form the bedrock of the sunshine pop genre
much beloved by S'pop members.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:45:30 -0700
From: John Berg
Subject: Re: Jigsaw
Joop:
> Here's a good link with a story told by Des:
> http://www.broadgategnome.co.uk/bands-j.htm
> And here's another link:
> http://www.rexbrough.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jigsaw.html
As will be found from a look at the two most helpful links provided
by Joop above, the early Jigsaw material was very much in tune with
the "psychedelic '60s", albeit the very end of that particular
journey when it was morphing into all sorts of genres such as
"progressive" (on the one hand) and "pub rock" and "roots" music (in
another direction) and straight-ahead radio-friendly pop-shlock in
the case of the "Sky High" hit the band enjoyed before its inevitable
fade into memory.
Anyone who is able to hear the Leatherslade Farm ('1970) and Aurora
Borealis (1971) albums would never guess these to be the product of
the same fellows who created "Sky High". I love the former sound,
but the musicians surely chose the pop hit route in search of some
actual monetary rewards for their efforts, which clearly would not
have come from their earlier pathway (scarce sales guaranteed that
the two early LPs are mega-rare and command big collectors-market
dollars, and neither has been reissued on CD.)
John Berg
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:20:39 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Choicy Beggar
We talked here not long ago of some of the flibs, flabs and flubs that
managed to sneak by Iris Gordy's crack Quality Control Team at
Motown. I just came across another one, from which I got a nice
little chuckle. Right at the start of The Miracles' captivating
"Choosy Beggar" comes this line:
Beggars can't be choicy, I know ...
His performance is such a dynamic one, though, that I suppose a retake
could only have diminished its edge.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:57:59 -0000
From: Mike Bennidict
Subject: "Call Me"
Question about an Instrumental: Well it was sort of and instrumental.
it was a remake of Chris Montez's Call Me. But it featured women
going ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba to the tune. Anyone know the name of
this group and when this version came out?
Mike
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