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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: another Artie Wayne and Joey Paige song
From: Artie Wayne
2. Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy"
From: Clark Besch
3. Larry Weiss songs
From: Lyn Nuttall
4. Re: Larry Weiss
From: Artie Wayne
5. Re: John Sebastian songs
From: Lloyd Davis
6. Clive Scott / Des Dyer
From: Artie Wayne
7. Arranged by Alan Lorber
From: Mick Patrick
8. Re: The Merry-Go-Round Is Slowing You Down
From: Phil X Milstein
9. The Great Train Robbery
From: Jens Koch
10. WABC air checks/Dan Ingram
From: Neil Hever
11. Re: True Love Never Runs Smooth
From: Joop
12. John Madara's website; "Adonis"
From: Country Paul
13. Re: Clive Scott / Des Dyer
From: Roy clough
14. Re: The Merry-Go-Round Is Slowing You Down
From: Michael Robson
15. Re: "Call Me"
From: Mick Patrick
16. Dennis D'Ell, Little Milton, R.I.P.
From: S'pop Projects
17. S'pop Recommends John Carter
From: S'pop Projects
18. mystery sound effect
From: David A Young
19. Re: "Call Me"
From: Roy Clough
20. Re: Valli
From: Joop
21. Re: "Soldier Boy"s
From: Phil X Milstein
22. some fun links
From: Phil X Milstein
23. Nilsson note; Rhino set; Lesley Gore interview
From: Country Paul
24. "Oh, Why"; Orleans
From: Country Paul
25. Re: The Great Train Robbery
From: Norm D
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:03:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: another Artie Wayne and Joey Paige song
Martin...Brent...How ya' doin'? I'd be happy to tell you the story
behind "The Merry-Go-Round is Slowing You Down", which I wrote with Ed
Silvers...but there isn't any!
Ed, who was running Scepter records publishing, got Joey Paige, on
Phillips and the Surprise Package on Columbia to record it. He also
got a group on A+M [which included Danny Hutton, but whose name
escapes me] to cover it as well.
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:29:07 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss "Rhinestone Cowboy"
Rodney Rawlings wrote:
> That's a fantastic version. I think I like it better than Glen
> Campbell's. My liking of the song has increased over the years, but
> for a while I was put off by the verse's resemblance to "Sloop John
> B"--anyone else notice that?
Rodney, you know, I never heard it until your comments! By
coincidence, Glen would record "God Only Knows" two Lps down the road
from the "Rhinestone Cowboy" Lp on his "Southern Nights" Lp. I used
to go to the horse race track every weekend back then and they played
that version EVERY day in background music. It's not bad. Then his
next Lp was a live Lp featuring a Beach Boys medley, so besides
actually being a Beach Boy, he may have wanted a Beach Boy sound just
by accident in his recording of "Rhinestone cowboy"??!!
Clark
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:40:04 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Larry Weiss songs
Has anyone mentioned "Ciao Baby"? Written by Larry Weiss & Scott
English, it's a cherished oldie down here, recorded by Australian
singer Lynne Randell in the US for Epic (1967). Also by The Toys
(probably the original), The Montanas and Craig Scott (NZ).
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:10:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss
Nick...How ya' doin'? Thanks for posting Larry Weiss' version
of "Rhinestone Cowboy" to musica. I've always considered it the
superior version. Although he's best known for his pop hits, I've
always considered him one of most underated R+ B writers in the
buisness.
In the 60's we were friendly rivals. I hadn't seen him for many
years, then one night he came into Allan Rindes' Genghis Cohen, a
hot hollywood hangout, which I used to host.
After catching up on old times, I mentioned how much I loved the
long black coat he wore on the cover of his "Rhinestone" album
[which resembled the one Keanu Reeves wore in the "Matrix"]. The
next time he came into the restaurant he brought in the coat and
gave it to me!
The next time you see Larry please give him my regards. If he asks
about the coat ?...unfortunately, a pit bull ate it!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:02:34 -0400
From: Lloyd Davis
Subject: Re: John Sebastian songs
Someone better tell CBS to come up with another CSI series PDQ --
Pete Townshend is falling behind! Sebastian's tunes just seem to keep
on popping up. At the moment, the Canadian cable sports network that
broadcasts NHL hockey is running a spot with "Welcome Back" as the
theme. Not so long ago, it was used in a commercial for Viagra or one
of its competitors.
Some years ago, Labatt's beer had a marketing gimmick: they'd split a
case of 24 bottles of beer between two brands -- a dozen lager, a
dozen ale, or 12 each of regular and light beer. Naturally, they
used "Did You Ever Have to Make Up Your Mind" in the commercials. And
the first time I ever heard "Daydream," as a kid in the '70s, was in
an ad.
Lloyd Davis, Toronto, ON
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Clive Scott / Des Dyer
I'm happy to see that Clive Scott and Des Dyer are being discussed. In
addition to being excellent writers and artists, they were two of the
best professional managers...and two of the nicest guys I've known in
the buisness.
I first met them when they were pushing songs for my friend, UK
publisher Chas Peate. I was shocked and thrilled for them when they
emerged as artists with the world-wide #1 hit "Sky High". I'll always
be grateful for the background parts they did for me at the peak of
their career...without charging me!
Does anyone know what they're up to these days?
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:36:20 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Arranged by Alan Lorber
Previously:
> Seems to be that Alan Lorber was the arranger for Lenny Welch's
> "Darling Take Me Back" and "Time After Time".
How great to see someone mention Alan Lorber, one of my favourite
arrangers. You seem to know a lot about him. By any chance, do you
have a complete list of the records he arranged?
Just off the top of my head, here are a few of my favourites:
Ruby & the Romantics "Your Baby Doesn't Love You Anymore"
Gene Pitney "Every Breath I Take"
Junior Lewis "Hear What I Say"
Lesley Gore "All About Love" LP
The Rocky Fellers "Bye Bye Baby"
Junior Lewis "Tears On My Face"
Ruby & the Romantics "Does He Really Care For Me"
To hear the above-mentioned Junior Lewis tracks is proof that Phil
Spector did not invent the Wall Of Sound. They are magnificent.
Alan Lorber deserves his own page on S'pop. Anyone up for that job?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:58:11 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: The Merry-Go-Round Is Slowing You Down
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Martin...Brent...How ya' doin'? I'd be happy to tell you the story
> behind "The Merry-Go-Round is Slowing You Down", which I wrote with
> Ed Silvers...but there isn't any! Ed, who was running Scepter
> Records publishing, got Joey Paige, on Phillips and the Surprise
> Package on Columbia to record it. He also got a group on A+M [which
> included Danny Hutton, but whose name escapes me] to cover it as
> well.
A little digging shows that Jay Trainor had a version -- the debut
version? -- on ABC, in 1966.
Dug,
--Phil M.
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new at Probe:
"Ernie T., phone home"
i.e., huge batch of more weirdities
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:49:10 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: The Great Train Robbery
Does Anyone know which English 60s group recorded "The Great Train
Robbery" and had a small hit with it in maybe 68 or 69. I remember
the song well from having heard it on Radio Luxemburg, but for some
reason I never found out who the artist was.
The song starts "I was just a boy of ten when it happened/though they
talk about it still today" and the chorus started with "The great
train robbery/do you remember" - and that's all I can remember!
I've tried finding the song on peer-to-peer networks, but
unfortunately the only results are a blues song with that title which
has nothing to do with the song I cherish.
Any help with naming the artist would be greatly appreciated. Of
course if anyone knows if it's available in any form today then that
would be be appreciated even more.
Jens
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:17:16 -0000
From: Neil Hever
Subject: WABC air checks/Dan Ingram
Dear Popsters, Has anyone purchased or traded Dan Ingram air checks?
I have one from July 1967 and it is terrific. He is the main reason
I pursued radio as a career. It is great to hear 1960s era songs in
context with the deejay and even the commercial clusters. I'm
curious to know how he is doing and if Dan makes any appearances. I
emailed the WABC fan club site and got no answer.
Neil Hever
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:40:52 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: True Love Never Runs Smooth
Bill wrote:
> Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of Bobby Vee's version
> of the Gene Pitney song called "True Love Never Runs Smooth"? It
> was released in the early 60's as a single and was backed by "Hey
> Little Girl".
Bill, Are you sure about that Bobby Vee release, because I can't
find any proof.
http://www.bobbyvee.net/singles.html
And these two Burt Bacharach sites don't mention it either:
http://www.bacharachonline.com/bacharach_discog/bacharach_discog2.html
http://www14.brinkster.com/hitmaker/song.asp?ID=495
Joop greets
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:19:08 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: John Madara's website; "Adonis"
Hi, all,
Well, here I am chronically behind - about one month, in fact. Blame
work, vacation, and general exhaustion; all get equal credit. With a
dozen or so discussion groups equally behind, I started to go through
the Spectropop digests first, trying to catch up, when I got hung up
at the second message I read, Robert Indart's referral to....
> John Madara who has his own website http://www.thatphillysound.com
> with information on alot of the Philly acts from the 60's with a lot
> of pictures too.
Indeed; much fun there, plus samples of many of the artists' work.
By the way, I did get to hear Clairette Clementino's "Adonis" at
musica; I think the version I remember is Terri Stevens on Felsted
(thanks for the memory jog, Mike Edwards), although Ms. C's version
sounds remarkably familiar. I have to check the collection.... So, if
not for this track, why else would I have known Ms. Clementino's
name? (And a random thought, probably not true, but...might she have
become Babs Tino, who did "Forgive Me"?)
Needless to say, I've got to pick up where I left off...soon!
Country Paul
(eternally catching up)
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:05:24 -0000
From: Roy clough
Subject: Re: Clive Scott / Des Dyer
Artie Wayne wrote:
> I'm happy to see that Clive Scott and Des Dyer are being discussed.
> In addition to being excellent writers and artists, they were two
> of the best professional managers...and two of the nicest guys I've
> known in the buisness.
I liked Jigsaw and due to being reminded of them on here I tracked
down a excellent best of CD from the states which I am eagerly awaitng
making it's way to the UK.
I do not believe it to be the same Jigsaw who made One Way Street,
they did have another hit in UK with a song If I Have To Go Away,
anything to do with that Artie.
About 3 years back was last time I heard of them they wrote and
performed a number in a contest to find the UK entry for the
Eurovision Song Contest much ridiculed these days but ABBA found fame
and fortune becasue of it, regretfully their song did not win the
public vote.
Thanks again Artie by the way for Popcorn Double Feature.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:14:48 -0000
From: Michael Robson
Subject: Re: The Merry-Go-Round Is Slowing You Down
Is this the same song as recorded (in the UK) by JENNY WREN (on
Fontana) and TRULY SMITH (on Decca)?
clunk click every flip,
Michael Clunkie
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:55:03 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: "Call Me"
Mike Bennidict:
> Question about an Instrumental: Well it was sort of and
> instrumental. It was a remake of Chris Montez's Call Me. But it
> featured women going ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba to the tune. Anyone
> know the name of this group and when this version came out?
Chris Montez's "Call Me"??!! You'd better not let Joop hear you say
that! Or Petula Clark! She'd clock you!
Actually, I believe the original version of "Call Me" was NOT be Pet,
but by Keely Smith. Tony Hatch himself told me that. He should know,
he wrote and produced it. However, I've never been able to track down
her version. Can anyone assist?
While we're on the subject of versions of that song, hop over to
musica now to hear a rather unique rendition by the Playboy Club
Bunnies: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:29:12 +0100
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: Dennis D'Ell, Little Milton, R.I.P.
Dear Members,
Sad to report that Dennis D'Ell, lead singer of the Honeycombs, whose
Joe Meek production "Have I The Right" was a #1 record in 1964, died
on July 6th. A obituary is available at the S'pop Remembers section:
http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/DDobit.htm
Also added, from the world of R&B, Little Milton Campbell, who passed
away on August 4th:
http://www.spectropop.com/remembers/LMobit.htm
R.I.P.
The S'pop Team
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:55:54 +0100
From: S'pop Projects
Subject: S'pop Recommends John Carter
Three great CDs by top British songwriter John Carter are the latest
additions to the S'pop Recommends section. If you haven't heard of
him before, you're missing out on something special. Access the
reviews here:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#JohnCarter
Enjoy,
The S'pop Team
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:31:48 -0000
From: David A Young
Subject: mystery sound effect
So there I was, listening to "Phil's Spectre II," the way you do. It
struck me that the sound effect (kinda reminds me of drops of water)
used in The Fantastic Vantastic's "Gee What a Boy" resembles the one
(or ones) employed in The Blossoms' "I'm In Love" and The Sherry
Sisters' "Sailor Boy." Anybody know how this effect is achieved?
Thanks,
David A. Young
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:19:48 -0000
From: Roy Clough
Subject: Re: "Call Me"
Mike Bennidict wrote:
> Question about an Instrumental: Well it was sort of and
> instrumental. It was a remake of ... Call Me. But it featured women
> going ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba to the tune. Anyone know the name of
> this group and when this version came out?
Possibly Mike Flowers 1997, featured in Austin Powers Goldmember.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: Valli
Ed McGee wrote:
> I came across this link when searching for Shirelles info on
> Google: http://www9.ocn.ne.jp/~pelican/groups/data/shirells.html
Phil X Milstein:
> Thanks for passing that along, Ed -- real interesting stuff. Can
> anyone enlighten me about the "Valli" record listed there?
Phil, I don't know who Valli was. Couldn't be Frankie could it? Some
more info on this 45 is to be found here:
http://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/shirelles.htm
http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/d698.htm
And in between those two Scepter-releases there was another "Soldier
Boy" answer on Scepter. The Soldier Boys on Scepter 1230 with "I'm
your soldier boy" / "You picked me".
Joop greets
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:22:52 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: "Soldier Boy"s
Joop Jansen wrote:
> http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/d698.htm
> And in between those two Scepter-releases there was another "Soldier
> Boy" answer on Scepter. The Soldier Boys on Scepter 1230 with "I'm
> your soldier boy" / "You picked me".
Then, three years later, The Shirelles answered their own hit with
"(Mama) My Soldier Boy Is Coming Home," on Scepter 12123. The flip was
"Soldier Boy" -- was that the same version as the original hit, or a remake?
--Phil M.
--
new at Probe:
"Ernie T., phone home"
i.e., huge batch of more weirdities
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:14:23 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: some fun links
pix of international Byrds rarities:
http://users.skynet.be/byrdsflyght/rare.htm
includes Big TNT promo single, lots of EPs mixed with other artists, and
such oddities as an Italian pic sleeve that lists Joni Mitchell as a
member of The Byrds ...
Sonny Bono Salton Sea National Wildlife Refuge:
http://tinyurl.com/7ss8b
international pic sleeves (from Norwegian collector):
http://www.picturesleevegallery.com
The Real Don Steele:
http://www.reelradio.com/rdsc/earlyboss.html
includes pix with Brian W., Jackie DeS. and Sonny & C.
Eddy Medora's (Sunrays) site:
http://sunrays718.tripod.com
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:31:19 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Nilsson note; Rhino set; Lesley Gore interview
David A. Young wrote:
> Country Paul was looking for background information on the
> unreleased Spector production “Let Me Go” by Nilsson, currently
> playing in our elite listening lounge. (And by the way, though
> Paul referred to the mp3 on offer as lo-fi, it’s the cleanest-
> sounding copy I’ve yet heard, so I offer my thanks to the thus
> far anonymous benefactor who not only made it available to the
> Spectropopulation but who also made it sound this good.)
I certainly didn't mean to be ungrateful; I'd never heard this (or OF this)
before, and if this is the best version available, sign me up! Thank you,
O Benefactor.
David again:
> Boy/girl duo Pat and André’s version is now playing alongside
> Nilsson’s in musica.
Didn't get a chance to hear it, but could it be as good as Nilsson's?
Thanks to Bryan for posting the Rhino Girl Group box set list. It seems to
hit the fine line between too pop and too obscure, which means it may well
win some new converts to the music. As Will Stos noted, "Casual fans and
first-time listeners will undoubtedly love it - and that's important." A
record like the Chiffons' "Nobody Knows What's Goin' On (In My Mind But Me)"
might be mainstream to our crew, but to the masses I'll bet it's still
pretty radical. (And it has never stopped being great, in my opinion.)
Congrats to Sheila B. for her work on this.
Speaking of girl "groups," Lesley Gore was interviewed last night on
Jonesville Station on WFMU. I missed hearing it, but I'm sure the program
will be archived at www.wfmu.org.
Country Paul
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:41:53 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: "Oh, Why"; Orleans
I just heard the first-ever (that I know of) cover of Phil Spector's
exquisite Teddy Bears song, "Oh, Why." Not to take anything away from Carol
Connors' crystalline performance (nothing will ever touch it, I believe),
this is a German gent intoning/muttering the lyrics and singing the bridge.
Any information on this, please? What an aural curiosity!
A little story: this past weekend my friend, Dave, threw a big 50th birthday
party for his wife, Susan. Back when they were dating, their favorite band
was Orleans (back before "Still The One" became a cliche thanks to its
promotional use on ABC), and their favorite Orleans track was "Dance With
Me." At the party, the band showed up, plugged in, played a couple of cover
songs to warm up, and then Dave took the microphone. He explained the above
history, and started to play a 45 of "Dance With Me" on an original late
50's RCA 45 phonograph, interrupted the scratchy record, and turned to the
band (up to now anonymous to all but those few of us in the know beforehand)
and said, "Hey, do you guys know this?" Whereupon the lead singer (Larry
Hoppen) said, "I think we're familiar with it," and launched into the song.
Only then did Susan figure it out; the look on her face was priceless.
The group that played (very well, I might add), although not "fully"
Orleans, included brothers Lance and Larry Hoppen of the original group, and
would have included Robbie Dupree ("Steal Away," from the '80s) except that
he was recovering from heart surgery. (The band is called "Mood Ring"; check
them out should you happen to find them playing in your area.) Larry told me
that Orleans still exists with the Hoppen Brothers and other original
driving-wheel John Hall (original member Wells Kelly died a while ago), and
that they have a new album in the can awaiting release, hopefully in
October. It will be called - and includes a new version of - "Dancing In The
Moonlight," originally written by Larry and first released by his late '60s
band Boffalongo on UA (and later, of course, an early '70s smash for King
Harvest on Perception).
(A side note: Tim Jackson, who drummed briefly with Boffalongo, was in my
late '60s band, Benefit Street out of Providence, RI; sadly, we released no
vinyl, but Tim went on to fame with Robin Lane & The Charttbusters, and was
with them for their hit, "When Things Go Wrong.")
Country Paul
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:36:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Norm D
Subject: Re: The Great Train Robbery
Jens Koch asked:
> Does Anyone know which English '60s group recorded "The Great
> Train Robbery" and had a small hit with it in maybe '68 or '69?
One of my trusted informants suggests that the record is:
The Outer Limits: Great Train Robbery / Sweet Freedom (Instant, 1968)
Norm D.
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