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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: "Call Me"
From: Joop
2. Re: Bobby Vee's "True Love Never Runs Smooth"
From: Bill
3. Lesley Gore on WFMU, archived / World Cafe
From: baba bling
4. Re: S'pop Recommends John Carter
From: Joop
5. Re: Larry Weiss songs for Ruby & the Romantics
From: Ed Salamon
6. Reparata & the Delrons
From: Mick Patrick
7. Re: Clive Scott
From: Simon White
8. Re: "Oh, Why"
From: Frank
9. Re: "Oh, Why"
From: Joop
10. Re: "Soldier Boy"s
From: Artie Wayne
11. Oh Why / Sag Warum / Zague Waroume / Por Que
From: David A Young
12. Re: Bob Crewe @ Motown
From: Artie Wayne
13. Shirelles vs. Marcie Blane
From: Will Stos
14. Re: The Great Train Robbery
From: Barry Green
15. Re: Reparata & the Delrons
From: Ed Salamon
16. Re: Soldier Boys
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:45:08 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: "Call Me"
Mike Bennidict:
> ... a remake of Chris Montez's Call Me.
Mick Patrick:
> Chris Montez's "Call Me"??!! You'd better not let Joop hear you
> say that! Or Petula Clark! She'd clock you! Actually, I believe
> the original version of "Call Me" was NOT by Pet, but by Keely
> Smith. Tony Hatch himself told me that. He should know, he wrote
> and produced it. However, I've never been able to track down her
> version. Can anyone assist?
I completely agree with you on this one Mick. I am also looking for
the Keely Smith-version. Yet without result.
Here's some more info on "Call me":
http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=t_upd_show&id=826
Joop greets from Holland
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:00:32 -0700
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Bobby Vee's "True Love Never Runs Smooth"
Bill wrote:
> Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy of Bobby Vee's version
> of the Gene Pitney song called "True Love Never Runs Smooth"? It
> was released in the early 60's as a single and was backed by "Hey
> Little Girl".
Joop:
> Are you sure about that Bobby Vee release, because I can't find any
> proof: http://www.bobbyvee.net/singles.html
> And these two Burt Bacharach sites don't mention it either:
> http://www.bacharachonline.com/bacharach_discog/bacharach_discog2.html
> http://www14.brinkster.com/hitmaker/song.asp?ID=495
Hi Joop, Yes, It was only released in the UK in the early 60's.
Bill
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: baba bling
Subject: Lesley Gore on WFMU, archived / World Cafe
I see someone else caught Lesley and her new band on WFMU. After
digging around, I found the show, on Glen Jones' "Jonesville Station"
(he's the guy who was on the air for 100 hours straight and set a
World Record, for a while) archived at:http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/JS
There is a radical re-working of "You Don't Own Me" on her new
record, "Ever Since". According to her guitarist's site (Mike Errico:
www.errico.com), they've just recorded for World Cafe with David Dye.
That'll be airing in the coming weeks.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:28:36 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: S'pop Recommends John Carter
S'pop Projects wrote:
> Three great CDs by top British songwriter John Carter are the
> latest additions to the S'pop Recommends section. If you haven't
> heard of him before, you're missing out on something special.
> Access the reviews here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#JohnCarter
Very much thanks for that great John Carter-review. He is one of
those men that are essential in the history of music. "Get Carter".
Yes I own already two of the CD's you mentioned. The Ivy League CD
is on my want-list, although I already have an album of the guys.
Joop greets
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:02:52 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss songs for Ruby & the Romantics
Mick Patrick:
> Might it be possible for you to ask Larry what he recalls about two
> of my favourites of his compositions, "Your Baby Doesn't Love You
> Anymore" and "Does He Really Care For Me", both cut by the
> wonderful Ruby & the Romantics for Kapp Records with Tom Catalano
> producing and Alan Lorber arranging - magnificent records, each.
> I'd post them to musica, but they're both available on CD. Was
> Larry present at the sessions? If so, what studio was used? And who
> was the engineer? Did he write the songs for any specific artist?
> They would both have been great for the Righteous Brothers,
> although Ruby & the Romantics' versions would take some beating,
> even with Phil Spector at the controls. What are Larry's thoughts
> on producer Tom Catalano? And arranger Alan Lorber? Thanks in
> advance.
Mick, Glad to be of service (see below)
Ed Salamon
>From Larry Weiss:
Dear Ed..We did a lot of recording at Mira Sound, with the brilliant
Brooks Arthur at the controls who was a very musical engineer and a
great mixer..sometimes we worked @ Bell Sound..Tom Catalano was a
brilliant producer from the get go with little or no previous studio
experience but musically educated..I watched him walk into the studio
and 'become a genius'.. he went on to produce great records with Neil
Diamond and Helen Reddy among others. He was a big fan of my talent
early on and even used some of my crude piano arrangement ideas in
the records he produced..'Does He Really Care for For Me' was
arranged by the late Roy Glover I believe..'Your Baby Doesn't Love
You Anymore' by Alan Lorber..the latter might have been done @ Bell
Sound but I'm not sure..(it was also recorded by the late Karen
Carpenter and released in her last album, though the producers saw
fit to add a their own 'bridge' to the song for some reason)..Lorber
and Glover were two arrangers we favored a lot..I believe Alan
arranged 'Darling Take Me Back'..Tom and I made some wonderful
records while working for Kapp records in 1965..he provided a lot of
opportunities for my song writing there, and a few years later when I
worked under him at Bob Crewe's Saturday Music. Another favorite
recording of Ruby & The Romantics that was arranged by Roy Gover
was 'We'll Meet Again'..it was just an album cut..but it had a lot of
heart..Roy had a lot of heart..I really miss him..he was a great guy
and loved by many..here's a wonderful story about him..
I worked for the great arranger Claus Ogerman from 1965-67. I ran his
publishing companies and wrote songs for him as well. While there I
came up with 'Bend Me Shape Me', 'Help Me Girl', and so forth..I also
produced some artists for him through a production arrangement he had
with Polygram records.
On one of those sessions I had hired Roy Glover. We were working at
Mira Sound, running down a beautiful song that George Devans had
written called 'Saying Goodbyes'. There were some friends in the
control room..Tom Catalano was there..he loved the song and of course
Claus Ogerman..we finally got all the kinks straight in the various
parts of the very involved arrangement, and it was a full orchestra
mind you.. the studio outside was wall to wall with musicians..rhythm
section..strings & horns..harp.. percussion you name it! We finally
ran the song down with the singer and there was not a dry eye in the
place..the arrangement was SO beautiful, that the orchestra stood up
and applauded Roy Glover after the run down..years later..a few
months before he died..I spoke to Roy..he asked me if I remembered
that day 'when the orchestra stood up'..it was very special for
him..and obviously..very special to me..
I also love Cissy Houston's version of 'Darling Take Me Back' I think
Joel Diamond produced it..I also produced a nice version with Gerri
Granger on Bell Records for the late Larry Utall in 1970..the 'B'
side of that single was later discovered by someone in the UK @
Arista in the 80's, and was released as an A side single and made the
top 40 there..the song was called 'I Go To Pieces..Everytime..'..and
the beat goes on..
Take care..Larry Weiss..
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:43:10 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Reparata & the Delrons
Me:
> I guess you'll be interested in one of Ace's pending releases,
> then -- a 30-tracker entitled "The Best Of Reparata & The Delrons".
> It'll be out at the end of August. Is anyone interested in seeing
> an advance copy of the track list?
Peter Lerner:
> Yes, please!
OK. Here goes:
THE BEST OF REPARATA & the DELRONS (Ace Records)
1. Reparata & the Delrons - Boys And Girls
2. Reparata & the Delrons - Captain Of Your Ship
3. Reparata & the Delrons - Whenever A Teenager Cries
4. Reparata & the Delrons - Tommy
5. Reparata & the Delrons - The Kind Of Trouble That I Love
6. Reparata & the Delrons - It's Waiting There For You
7. Reparata & the Delrons - Panic
8. Reparata & the Delrons - Take A Look In My Diary
9. Reparata & the Delrons - Do Wah Diddy
10. Reparata & the Delrons - I Have A Boyfriend
11. Reparata & the Delrons - I'm Nobody's Baby Now
12. Reparata & the Delrons - Take A Look Around You
13. Reparata & the Delrons - Mama's Little Girl
14. Reparata & the Delrons - I Can Hear The Rain
15. Reparata - The Boy I Love
16. Reparata & the Delrons - In My Diary
17. Reparata & the Delrons - He's My Guy (And I Love Him So)
18. Reparata & the Delrons - Bye Bye Baby
19. Reparata - I Found My Place
20. Reparata & the Delrons - Loneliest Girl In Town
21. Reparata & the Delrons - I Can Tell
22. Reparata & the Delrons - (Do You) Remember When
23. The Del-Rons - Leave Us Alone
24. Reparata & the Delrons - He's The Greatest
25. Reparata & the Delrons - He Don't Want You
26. Reparata & the Delrons - Weather Forecast
27. Reparata & the Delrons - (We're Gonna) Hold The Night
28. Reparata & the Delrons - Saturday Night Didn't Happen
29. Reparata - Why Do Lovers Break Each Other's Heart
30. Reparata - Shoes
The CD will be out in a few weeks. For those obsessed with such
matters, about half of the tracks are in stereo. I see Amazon
are taking pre-orders: http://tinyurl.com/9kunw
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:53:51 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Clive Scott
Artie Wayne wrote:
> Clive Scott and Des Dyer
> Does anyone know what they're up to these days?
Hello Artie, I'm not sure about Des, but Clive Scotts work has been
spoken of here recently although his name was not mentioned. He's
worked for a number of years with producer Ian Levine on numerous
projects, including the Sandi Sheldon 45 we discussed recently and
which now has been added to her 'Spectropop' discography and the
Ebony Allayne 45's which are so up Spectropop's street (Dionne
Warwick division), it's a shame to miss them.
Simon White
Arthurs Northern Soul: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arthurs
Homepage: http://uk.geocities.com/poor.dog@btopenworld.com/index.html
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:26:22 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: "Oh, Why"
Country Paul a écrit:
> I just heard the first-ever (that I know of) cover of Phil Spector's
> exquisite Teddy Bears song, "Oh, Why." Not to take anything away
> from Carol Connors' crystalline performance (nothing will ever
> touch it, I believe), this is a German gent intoning/muttering the
> lyrics and singing the bridge. Any information on this, please?
> What an aural curiosity!
Could be "Sag Warum" by Camillo a huge hit in Europe at the time far
exceeding the original.
Frank
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:39:23 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: Re: "Oh, Why"
Country Paul a écrit:
> I just heard the first-ever (that I know of) cover of Phil Spector's
> exquisite Teddy Bears song, "Oh, Why." Not to take anything away
> from Carol Connors' crystalline performance (nothing will ever
> touch it, I believe), this is a German gent intoning/muttering the
> lyrics and singing the bridge. Any information on this, please?
> What an aural curiosity!
Paul, Maybe this will help you. Camillo Felgen had big hit in
Germany with "Sag warum", which is a 1959 cover of the Teddy
Bear's "Oh why".
SEE NEXT LINK:
http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=t_upd_show&id=4604
Joop greets from Holland.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: "Soldier Boy"s
Phil...How ya' doin'? I confess...I wrote and "sorta" produced
"[Mama] My Soldier Boy is Coming Home" for the Shirelles. When I was
signed to Scepter records, part of my deal was to write "new" b-sides
for their artists [using existing multi -tracks] to save money on
recording costs.
It turns out that was only time that I did something like this. The
track we used was the Shirelles own "A Thing of the Past". I always
felt a little dirty about it.
Ahhhh...Confession is good for the soul!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
P.S. If anybody has a copy I'd love to hear it again!
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:03:37 -0000
From: David A Young
Subject: Oh Why / Sag Warum / Zague Waroume / Por Que
Thanks to Country Paul for bringing up the question about the German
version of The Teddy Bears' "Oh Why," and to Frank and Joop for
confirming that "Sag Warum" was a 1959 European hit for Camillo
Felgen. This information helps me piece together a puzzle that's
vexed me for some time.
About twenty years ago I bought an acetate cut at Spectra-Sound
Recording Studios in Hollywood. The label (a scan of which is in the
Labels & Sleeves folder in the Photos section) bears the typewritten
title "Porque (Oh Why)," the name Harvey Spector (whom I incorrectly
assumed was the artist, costing me much more than I'd have paid
otherwise!), and publisher credit for Travis Music (whereas the
Teddy Bears single shows the publisher as Marquis Music...hmmm!). My
guess is that this acetate was cut as a demo for release (where?) as
a Spanish competitor to the Camillo hit. One thing's curious,
though: Label credits on the Teddy Bears LP, 45, and French EP all
list the composer as H. P. Spector; how'd it change to "Harvey," and
the publisher to Travis, here? How do the credits on the Camillo
record read, please?
GEMM lists records called "Sag Warum" by several other artists as
well; can anyone confirm whether or not these are the same song?
Here's the list: Salvatore Adamo, Los Catinos, Kurt & Veronika
Elsasser, Iseult, Eddie John, and Royal Orchester. For those of you
who don't know this, I'm an avid collector of cover versions of
Spector songs, and those in languages other than English hold a
particular fascination.
Until yesterday, the only released cover versions of "Oh Why" of
which I was aware were 1975's "Zague Waroume" (a French spoof of the
German recitative-style rendition) by Au Bonheur des Dames, and the
faithful 1977 performance (in English) by Japan's Celia Paul (who
also had the good taste to cover "Cha Cha Charming" on the same
Eiichi Ohtaki-produced LP).
My other question is, Did the song get released in Spanish, either
in the version found on my acetate (and, for a limited time, in
musica) or some other(s), and, if so, by whom? There are far too
many variations on "Porque" and "Por Que" in GEMM for me to dare a
guess.
Thanks in advance for your help, and enjoy the musica track.
David A. Young
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:40:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Bob Crewe @ Motown
I have a correction to my Motown remix story. The song that Bob Crewe
played me was "My Eyes Adored You" not "Can't Take My Eyes Off Of
You". He was waiting to get into see Berry Gordy to have a showdown.
Bob had some kind of deal to produce Frankie Valli for Motown, but
Berry didn't like what he was coming up with. Bob, left that meeting
with all of the master rights back to what turned out to be one of
Frankies biggest hits!
regards, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:40:32 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Shirelles vs. Marcie Blane
I was listening to Marcie Blane's "Bobby Did" and thought the opening
sounded a bit like the Shirelles' "You're Under Arrest." Did they
share the same writer(s)? Or was this popular intro at the time?
Will : )
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:21:37 -0000
From: Barry Green
Subject: Re: The Great Train Robbery
Jens Koch asked:
> Does Anyone know which English '60s group recorded "The Great
> Train Robbery" and had a small hit with it in maybe '68 or '69?
Norm D:
> One of my trusted informants suggests that the record is: The Outer
> Limits: Great Train Robbery / Sweet Freedom (Instant, 1968)
Norm D. is correct the track is by the Outer Limits and was released
on the UK Instant label (in May 1968) which was a subsidiary label of
Immediate Records run by Andrew Loog Oldham and Tony Calder. The
single was IN001 (released in Sept 1968) the first of only 5 singles
issued on this label plus 4 albums. Both sides of the single are
written by Christie which is the Jeff Christie of 'Yellow River' fame
a couple of years later.
But there is more to the story as the single was originally scheduled
for release on Immediate as catalogue number IM067 and Demo 'A' label
copies were distributed. IM067 was then given to the great PP Arnold
song 'Angel of the Morning'. The Immediate version (3mins 38secs) of
the Great Train robbery starts and ends with gunshots which were not
included on the later Instant label release at (2mins 58secs).
Both versions of The Great Train Robbery are available on a CD
called 'Instant Karma' which also has the Outer Limits 'Sweet
Freedom' as well as all the other 4 Instant singles 'A' and 'B' sides
(including some rare Twinkle songs) and some tracks from the Instant
label albums. You can find this on Amazon with the below link:
http://tinyurl.com/dyz2g
Track Listing:
1. Great Train Robbery - Outer Limits
2. Sweet Freedon - Outer Limits
3. Happy Miranda - The Excelsior Spring
4. It - The Excelsior Spring
5. Baby Be My Girl - Eddie Thornton Trio
6. All You - Sonny Burke Outfit
7. Any Old Time (Youre Lonely And Sad) - Copperfield
8. Im No Good For Her - Copperfield
9. Micky - Twinkle
10. Darby And Jean - Twinkle
11. Sitting In The Park - Owen Grey And Maximum Breed
12. Youve Got It - Pete Hunt And Maximum Breed
13. Ob La Di Ob La Da Story (Part I) Alullo - Jimmy Scott
14. Ob La Di Ob La Da Story (Part II) Doh - Jimmy Scott
15. Night Time Girl - Twice As Much
16. Winter Is Blue - Vashti
17. Afterglow - Bob Kerrs Whoopee Band
18. See The Little People (Gulliver Travels) - Mike Dabo
19. In The Beginning - Mike Dabo
20. Traffic - Samson
21. Venus - Samson
22. Great Train Robery (Immediate Demo Version) - Outer Limits
23. Soilders Dream - Twinkle
24. Micky (Previously Unissued Long Version) - Twinkle
Regards
Barry
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:14:03 -0000
From: Ed Salamon
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons
Have you ever heard Reparata and The Delrons' Country record? I
wonder if Reparata even knows she had a Country record? In 1973 when
I became Program Director of Country formatted WEEP AM/FM in
Pittsburgh, I stretched the boundaries, playing records by
Pittsburghers Lou Christie "Hey You Cajun", and Bobby Vinton "Melody
of Love" (not Country, but my audience loved it) among others. Former
World Artists' (Pgh label) head Lou Guarino had steel guitar
overdubbed onto "Whenever A Teenager Cried" and issued it on his new
NAMI label. He knew I had a fondness for 60s artists, but I never
played it.
Ed Salamon
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:12:00 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Soldier Boys
Ed McGee wrote:
> I came across this link when searching for Shirelles info on
> Google: http://www9.ocn.ne.jp/~pelican/groups/data/shirells.html
Phil X Milstein:
> Thanks for passing that along, Ed -- real interesting stuff. Can
> anyone enlighten me about the "Valli" record listed there?
Joop:
> Phil, I don't know who Valli was. Couldn't be Frankie could it?
> Some more info on this 45 is to be found here:
> http://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/shirelles.htm
> http://www.spectropop.com/archive/digest/d698.htm
Artie Wayne:
> I confess...I wrote and "sorta" produced "[Mama] My Soldier Boy
> Is Coming Home" for the Shirelles ... Ahhhh...Confession is good
> for the soul! If anybody has a copy I'd love to hear it again!
I don't know much about Valli, but I do know that her answer song
to the Shirelles' "Soldier Boy" (on which she actually sings OVER
their original record!!) is featured on the group's new 60-track
(count 'em!) "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" 2CD set. Of course, the
Shirelles' "Soldier Boy" is also included, along with "(Mama) My
Soldier Boy Is Coming Home".
Some new to CD tracks are also contained therein, including a
previously unissued version of the Ellie Greenwich/Jeff Barry
composition "That Boy Is Messing Up My Mind". But you all knew that.
Read more about the set in S'pop message #30041 and at this link:
http://tinyurl.com/88gyh
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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