________________________________________________________________________
SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
________________________________________________________________________
There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: The Great Train Robbery
From: Jens Koch
2. Attention Bonologists
From: Rick Hough
3. Re: Chris Montez's A&M LPs
From: James Botticelli
4. Re: The Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce's band)
From: Jens Koch
5. Re: The current Love
From: Bill Mulvy
6. Re: I, She and Me / early Cheryl Dilcher
From: Stephane Rebeschini
7. After The Fox
From: David Feldman
8. Re: After The Fox
From: Andrew Hickey
9. Uncredited 1959 Spector production in musica?
From: David A. Young
10. Re: As You Like It
From: Phil X Milstein
11. Zelda Samuels
From: Bill George
12. The current Rip Chords
From: Joe Nelson
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:51:21 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: The Great Train Robbery
Barry Green wrote:
> Norm D. is correct, the track is by the Outer Limits ... Both sides
> of the single are written by Christie, which is the Jeff Christie of
> "Yellow River" fame a couple of years later.
and myself I asked:
> Is Jeff Christie the singer on "The Great Train Robbery"?
I received the "Instant Karma" CD in the mail today, and the answer is Yes,
Jeff Christie is the lead singer. Based on what I'm hearing here some or
all of the other three tune in with beautiful harmonies enabling Jeff Chrsitie
to sing higher than he perhaps was able to in his own "Christie" group.
Once more thanks for helping me find the record.
Jens
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:32:09 -0000
From: Rick Hough
Subject: Attention Bonologists
For better or for worse, '60s Sonny & Cher now have a home on the
www:
BEHIND THE MAKING OF SONNY & CHER
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~peggylee/
Site features:
* no Cher dolls or makeup tips!
* no Cher Boyfriendography!
* lotsa good stuff including an exhaustive Sonny Discog
This is my opportunity to say a gracious "thank you" from the bottom
of my heart to all the Spectropoppers who've contributed so much.
Without your help and encouragement it could never have happened.
I'm indebted to you guys.
Offsite feedback, suggestions, corrections, etc. are most welcome --
but do try to keep it clean!
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:27:02 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Chris Montez's A&M LPs
Rob wrote:
> I've been curious about Chris' music for a long time ... Last
> week I got a mint copy of his The More I See You LP ... very
> intriguing and enjoyable.
It could take a couple of years, but they can be found by frequent thrifting.
Decent used record stores often have them. If you like "The More I See You"
LP, the others are worth seeking out.
JB
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:13:55 +0200
From: Jens Koch
Subject: Re: The Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce's band)
Richard Havers wrote:
> The Beach Boys (Mike and Bruce's band) in London last year ...
> were outstanding, with wonderful harmonies, and had far from
> degenerated. Indeed even die-hard Beach Boy fans not known for
> their love of Mike Love were highly complimentary.
Bill Mulvy wrote:
> I agree with most of what you said except that McCartney was the
> original singer on the songs he sung. When a group replaces its
> original singer with a new person, that's when it loses its appeal
> to me.
The Beach Boys have never replaced their lead singer.* One of the reasons
is that they had four or five of them. (Well, two of them died.)
But if you were to count the singer who had the most leads of all of the BB hits
it would certainly boil down to Mike Love. Love Mike or not, he's still there
at the front of the current band, which admittedly has none of the original
players, but then neither did the Beach Boys at the height of their touring days
(Carl and Al possibly did play on some of the sessions).
Mike Love is even today still Brian Wilson's favorite singer (though not
favorite person). I believe that the next step in Brian's reconciliation with
the past (now that's a very simplistic way of putting it, but to make a long
story short that's what I'll do) is for him to share the stage with Mike again.
It would not be the best career move, but it would undoubtedly appeal to
the public.
And finally Bruce did sing in the mix on quite a few of the best BB songs,
such as "God Only Knows" and "California Girls".
Jens
*Of course, that isn't strictly true. They did replace Brian with Bruce, but
on some occasions they substituted Brian with Carl, such as on "Don't Worry
Baby" and some will argue that an already perfect song was improved upon. A
curious rumour is doing the rounds on Beach Boys lists at the moment: Dennis
was supposed to do the lead on "Good Vibrations" but had a sore throat and
was replaced by Carl, and certainly that was the luckiest substitution ever
made.
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:23:49 -0500
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: The current Love
John DeAngelis wrote:
> My comments were directed to the fact that Florence said
> "Love IS Arthur Lee. ALWAYS WAS (my emphasis), always
> will be." Bryan MacLean's songs prove that that comment isn't
> a true representation of the old Love. And I've heard stories
> that Johnny Echols hasn't gotten some of the credit due him,
> either.
I find it very interesting that you can be still interested in a '60s
group who no longer has its lead singer and creative force in the group.
Say what you want, but no Arthur Lee, no Love.
Although your comments about Bryan MacLean and Johnny Echols are undoubtedly
well-meant, the truth of the matter is that the essence of Love is, was, and
always will be Arthur Lee.
I saw Love twice within the past year, once with Johnny Echols and once
without. I didn't notice much difference except that it was nice to see him
back in the group. If Arthur Lee wasn't there I'm sure I would've noticed!
How many people really want to see Love without Arthur Lee? Would you go?
The cardinal rule is you have to have the lead singer, let alone the
creative force as well, otherwise you end up with a tribute band, and
we already have more than enough of those.
I'm sorry to come on so strong, but I believe the line has to be drawn
somewhere.
Bill Mulvy
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:58:01 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: I, She and Me / early Cheryl Dilcher
Neil Hever a écrit:
> a member of I, She and Me, Cheryl Dilcher's first high school era
> band ... Does anyone on the list have any other information about
> the group or Cheryl Dilcher? I know Cheryl recorded for A&M records
> but I have not found any current information.
Hi, There's a fan website here, and the webmaster has a contact with
Cheryl Dilcher (who could possibly be interested by a copy of this
reel tape?)
http://www.geocities.com/cheryldilcher/CherylDilcherPage.html
Stephane
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:53:28 -0400
From: David Feldman
Subject: After The Fox
I somehow managed to live my life with ever hearing the song,
hearing the soundtrack, or knowing about this movie. Anytime you
have Burt Bacharach, Peter Sellers, Vittorio De Sica, Victor Mature,
and the Hollies involved on the same project, interesting results
must ensue. I just heard the song, "After the Fox," on "Rare
Bacharach" and fell in love with it. Is the soundtrack worth owning?
Are there other vocals?
Dave Feldman
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:03:47 +0100
From: Andrew Hickey
Subject: Re: After The Fox
David Feldman wrote:
> I somehow managed to live my life with ever hearing the song,
> hearing the soundtrack, or knowing about this movie. Anytime you
> have Burt Bacharach, Peter Sellers, Vittorio De Sica, Victor Mature,
> and the Hollies involved on the same project, interesting results
> must ensue.
Interesting, but not necessarily good. After The Fox is one of the
more forgettable films Sellers made, a by-the-numbers caper film about
a gold robbery. Great title track though.
> I just heard the song, "After the Fox," on "Rare Bacharach" and
> fell in love with it. Is the soundtrack worth owning? Are there
> other vocals?
>From my memory of the film the soundtrack doesn't have any other vocal
tracks on it. It's slightly below-par for Bacharach, nowhere near as
good as, say, his Casino Royale score (another very poor Sellers film,
but with a much better soundtrack).
--
DUMB ANGEL HAS UPDATED 13/8/05!
http://dumbangel.keenspace.com
A webcomic about Smile
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:30:50 -0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Uncredited 1959 Spector production in musica?
All this recent talk about The Teddy Bears' "Oh Why" really got me
in a Phil Spector 1959 mood, and inspired me to run by our panel of
experts a musical question that's been haunting me since Rob
Finnis's book "The Phil Spector Story" came out in 1975. While
describing Spector's 1959 associations (circa the Spectors Three
singles on Trey) with Lester Sill and Lee Hazelwood (among others,
including Russ Teitelman) beginning on page 28, Finnis says, "The
Teddy Bears had created a precedent by becoming LA's first
successful vocal group and, naturally enough, they served as
inspiration for several other amateur outfits from the same school.
Phil produced a single by one such group, the Young Lions led by
Steve Gold [no label or details for this record have been traced]
but nothing came of that either."
Finnis doesn't give the source of this information, which I've never
seen repeated elsewhere (including through my best Google efforts),
but I believe he may be correct. United Artists 177 from that year,
despite label credit to the contrary, seems to fit the bill nicely.
Production is attributed on both sides to Sill-Hazelwood on
"Summertime with You" and "Maybe Someday" by The Young Lions, the
A-side penned by Pomchur-Colburt and the flip by Colburt-Schutzer;
both decks published by Debbie-Jo Music.
So, Rob, where did you turn up this story? And Spectropop jukebox
jury, do you agree with me that the record now playing in musica
could very well prove it to be true? I chose the B-side both because
I feel that it provides a more compelling case for the affirmative
argument and because I hate summertime and don't want to do anything
to glorify (as this song does) or encourage it, especially now that
it's in full swing. I really think this could be a "Great Lost
(though admittedly pre-signature sound) Spector Record."
Let the discussion begin.
David A. Young
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:16:51 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: As You Like It
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Last week I reviewed three CDs by John Carter for the S'pop
> Recommends section. If you've not read the review, find it here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#JohnCarter
> My question is this: why is the middle one of those three CDs so
> titled?
Ain't the dude's real name "Shakespeare"? Also, doesn't one of his
other albums, "Measure For Measure," fall into the same category?
Next I suppose they'll be titling his greatest hits collection "As
You Liked It," and his outtakes album "The Comedy Of Errors." I mean,
stop the madness!
--Phil M.
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:08:12 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Zelda Samuels
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could give me any info on a
songwriter named Zelda Samuels? She wrote a song with Jackie
DeShannon called Give Me A Break. I don't know if it was ever
covered. She is also listed with BMI as co-writing (with Jackie)
Hark Is That A Cannon I Hear, which the JDSAS website has
credited to DeShannon-Sands. Any info would be appreciated, and
please copy to me as well as writing on the board, as I am still
catching up (perennially) and need the info ASAP. Thanks!
Bill
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:22:55 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: The current Rip Chords
Steve Harvey:
> Funny you should mention the Beach Boys Lite! A friend of mine got
> to meet Bruce when the Beach Boys played Lancaster, PA. He was an
> ill mood after hearing someone refer to his current outfit as "a
> Beach Boys cover band". Maybe he should throw his lot in with the
> Rip Chords since there is one original member left?
Actually two, since Arnie Marcus has joined Ritchie Rotkin in the
newer group. Of course, with Ernie Bringas claiming that Rotkin and
Marcus weren't in the studio (both men dispute this) it raises
questions as to just what "original" means.
Joe Nelson
-------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
End
