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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Re: Ventures
From: Steve Harvey
2. Shelter From The Storm
From: Mike Rashkow
3. Re: The Victorians
From: Mick Patrick
4. Re: Shelby Flint
From: Ken Silverwood
5. Re: The Ventures
From: Gary Myers
6. Memories of the 1962 Motown Revue photo book
From: David Bell
7. "Keep A Knockin'"
From: Joop
8. Jeannie Thomas / Strand Records
From: Austin Powell
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:57:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Re: Ventures
Jack Russell wrote:
> I once played a gig in Wick, which is as far north in Scotland as
> you can go without a boat, and in the local pub after the gig we
> were introduced to a guy who, local legend had it, had been the
> bass player with The Ventures. Now because The Ventures were really
> only two guys they may have had itinerant sidemen and it could have
> been true. I was a great fan but in the UK we did not have access
> to really good lineup info so I could never prove it one way or
> another. Does anyone know if it could have been true or whether the
> locals were just pulling our wire?
Jack, Bogle and Wilson are the two mainstays of the Ventures since
the start. Originally Nokie played bass, but persuaded Bogle to take
it over so he could play guitar. Whoever you met I think was pulling
a fast one. I know the original drummer could not tour due to a
broken neck (not making this up) and they got Mel Taylor (his brother
was the bassist for Canned Heat) to join them. Nokie eventually left
and Gerry came in. There is a live album of the Ventures which
features some cuts live in England, but from what I've been told they
never played there, did they? They rarely play the States anymore.
Too busy in Japan.
When I saw them I asked Bogle if they'd ever thought of doing an
album with the Shadows. He said no, but mentioned meeting Bruce Welch
in Japan once. The funny thing with Hank Marvin and his Strat is that
he really wanted to be the next James Burton, who plays a Tele. Had
he seen a picture of Burton before Cliff visited Manny's back in the
50s things would have been alot different over in the UK rock scene.
Les Paul invented the solid body electric guitar thanks to the Log,
but the electric guitar had been around a while before he made the
Log (Charlie Christian, etc.).
Steve Harvey
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:13:54 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Shelter From The Storm
IMHO this was the best possible show and the classiest fund raiser
I've ever seen. The minimalist concept of no intros, no credits, no
bs--just music and short pitches was brilliant as was the entire
production. Putting it together in such a short time frame was an
amazing feat. Kudos to all involved. If you did not catch it, see if
you can get a tape or DVD from someone. Great stuff.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:16:43 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: The Victorians
Richard Price:
> Has anyone heard the song "You're Invited To A Party" by The
> Victorians? They have the Spector "Wall Of Sound". Is It out
> on CD?
Julio Niño:
> It's included in the fabulous "Girls Go Zonk!" on RPM. And
> it's one of the 22 good reasons to buy that CD.
Read more about "Girls Go Zonk!!" here:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2004.htm#Zonk
http://www.cherryred.co.uk/rpm/artists/variousdreambabes.htm
Volume 2 is on the way, btw.
Stefano:
> It's a great song, but my favorite Victorians track is "Oh What
> a Night for Love". I wish all their tracks were reissued and
> remastered on CD...they only released 7 songs.
"Oh What A Night For Love" is out on CD too. See here:
http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=621
Ian Slater:
> The original single (Liberty 55728) has an equally good, maybe
> even better, track on the other side: "Monkey Stroll", but that
> hasn't come out on CD yet so far as I know. Great group, lead
> singer Gloria Hargis (aka Gloria Melbourne) - more about them
> in Spectropop archives.
Gloria also recorded as Vik E. Lee. Find more info here:
http://tinyurl.com/dsd6a
Plus, the Victorians' version of "Climb Every Mountain" is
contained on the CD "Phil's Spectre II: Another Wall Of
Soundalikes". Find more info at these links:
http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#PSII
http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=4606
Here's a excerpt from the booklet:
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Of the seven sides released in little over a year by the
Victorians, any one of them could have passed for Bob B. Soxx &
the Blue Jeans. The group's first 45 – 'What Makes Little Girls
Cry' b/w a version of 'Climb Every Mountain' from The Sound Of
Music – hovered just outside the Hot 100. Their producer, Marty
Cooper, was also in the charts at the time as a member of the
folksy Shacklefords.
Marty Cooper: "Gloria Jean Hargis was a vocalist who I met
through some friends when I was looking for someone to produce.
I was very busy at the time with Lee Hazlewood, the Shacklefords
and Bobby Day – just running around like a young fool. I put
Gloria under contract and started recording her under various
different names. I made a series of records with her, first as
Vik E. Lee, then as the Victorians – my wife's name is Victoria.
I also recorded her as Gloria Melbourne. We didn't use the same
studio for all the records. I think 'Climb Every Mountain' was
probably done at the big RCA Studios in Hollywood, which was
great, absolutely wonderful. That repetitive riff over and over
again building up to the big climax – that was really the Phil
Spector/Jack Nitzsche idea. We were really going for that – it
was purposely derivative. I just cannot remember who the
arranger was on that track. It was either Perry Botkin or Jack
Nitzsche. As far as the personnel is concerned, I do know that
we used the big time Hollywood rhythm section, the same guys who
played on the Bobby Day records I produced. The other girls
singing on all of Gloria's records were the Blossoms – Darlene
Love, Fanita James and Gloria Jones. The Blossoms were just
absolutely brilliant and worked all over. They loved Gloria and
thought she was a spectacular singer, which she was. She and I
continued working together after the records. She did a series
of commercials for me, for Olympia Beer, the 'phone company and
several other things. Gloria is someone I still talk with
frequently. She's still singing in church and is a very, very
nice person."
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Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:53:39 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Shelby Flint
Peter Lerner wrote:
> ... Shelby Flint, another west coast angel. Who can tell us what
> became of her?
She sang the atmospheric songs in Disney's "The Rescuers" according
to my daughter's video.
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:10:19 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: The Ventures
Jack Russell:
> ...I once played a gig in Wick, which is as far north in Scotland
> as you can go without a boat, and in the local pub after the gig we
> were introduced to a guy who, local legend had it, had been the
> bass player with The Ventures. Does anyone know if it could have
> been true ...
Seems doubtful. Last I knew there was an excellent (official, I
believe) Ventures website with a pretty complete history.
gem
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 04:59:59 EDT
From: David Bell
Subject: Memories of the 1962 Motown Revue photo book
I wanted to bring this thread back into everyone's thoughts
because Curtis Woodson has just emailed me to say that the
ordering link is now working on his site:
http://www.1962mts.com
Those who wish to place an order for this excellent historic
book can now do so. I'm hoping that the sale of his historical
photos of the first ever Motown tour will be successful, as
they are unique. The photos of the Vandellas, Supremes,
Miracles, Singing Sammy Ward, Marv Johnson and the very young
Marvelettes are simply excellent.
I thoroughly recommend his work to you.
Best wishes,
David
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:43:13 -0000
From: Joop
Subject: "Keep A Knockin'"
Country Paul wrote:
> I don't remember if it was "Slippin' and Slidin'" or "Lucille"
> by Little Richard which was about 1:20 in its original; some
> judicious splicing stretched it out to about two minutes.
Simon White:
> You may be thinking of "Keep a Knockin'", which is spliced from
> a short radio station recording...
Indeed Simon, There were earlier versions of "Slippin' and
slidin'" by Eddie Bo and Al Collins. The first was Al Collins's
"I got the blues for you" from 1955.
http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=t_upd_show&id=2735
Joop greets
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:00:47 +0100
From: Austin Powell
Subject: Jeannie Thomas / Strand Records
I have an LP on Strand by Jeannie Thomas. It very much looks like
it is not "our" Jean Thomas. The Strand one, according to the
liner notes, was born in Deep Creek, Virginia - her father was
Thomas Asble, a sax player. This JT was also a past "Miss
Virginia". BTW, Klaus Ogermann did the arrangements on the Strand
LP which also credited Mastertone Studios in NY, along with all
the technical details of the studio set-up.
Austin P.
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