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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Magnificent Montague
From: Mick Patrick
2. Answer Song Edits
From: James Botticelli
3. Re: Reparata & the Delrons live
From: Phil X Milstein
4. Re: Reparata & the Delrons
From: Frank M
5. Re: Pearly Gates etc.
From: Simon White
6. wonderful resource
From: Laurence H
7. Re: "The Montague Theme"
From: Julio Niño
8. Darlene Love and Bobby Sheen - together again in musica
From: David A Young
9. Re: Magnificent Montague
From: Phil X Milstein
10. Re: Reparata & the Delrons
From: Peter Lerner
11. Re: Darlene Love
From: John Fox
12. Re: The Wall of Sound
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
13. Slow Twistin'
From: Mike Edwards
14. Wall of Sound
From: Lyn Nuttall
15. Lesley Gore: Sunday New York Times piece
From: baba bling
16. shrink wrap question
From: Karl Baker
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:10:28 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Magnificent Montague
Hasse Huss asked:
> Now all I'd like to know is, who was the Great Nathaniel?
Phil Milstein:
> I am willing to bet $20 that the Great Nathaniel was one of the
> many pseudonyms of the journeyman R&B DJ Magnificent Montague.
> As writer, producer, label "executive" and/or performer M.M.
> made many, many records during his career, but, as virtually
> all of them were done pseudonymously, he has never (to my
> knowledge, at least) properly discographied... Records he cut
> under the name "Magnificent Montague" include:
> Dore 511: Lou May / The Beard (1958)
> Era 1069: The Breather / Ta Ta Do Way (1958)
> Minit 32035: This Is Soul / I Too Am An American (1968)
> As simply "Montague":
> Vee Jay 167: Yours And Mine / Where Is My Mother (1956)
> As "Great Nathaniel":
> Van 101: Lost / Soul (1961)
> As "Nathaniel" (although poss. a diff. artist by that name):
> Morning Star 509: Summertime / When Will I (19??)
> There are doubtless many more...
Here's another one for the list:
Magnificent Montague
Royo 701X: The Montague Theme, Part 1 / Part 2 (1964)
Vocal by Allison Gary
Arranged and conducted by Teacho Wiltshire.
Find Part 1 now playing @ musica:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Royo was an Atlantic satellite (as was Rosemart, the label
Montague named after his wife, Rose, and son, Martin).
Allison Gary conceals the true identity of a famous singer (or
singers). Let's see who can ID (t)he(i)r voice(s). Clue: the
lady in question had a son, Gary. (Alias son Gary, geddit?)
Montague himself vocalises on Part 2. Would anyone like to hear
that side too.
> Just yesterday I finished reading M.M.'s memoir, "Burn, Baby!
> Burn!" (w/ Bob Baker, 2003, Univ. of Ill. Press), and am now
> prepared to give it my highest recommendation.
I agree. I devoured the book in two days. Montague is featured
in the recent Sam Cooke docu DVD on ABKCO. But you knew that.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:34:10 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Answer Song Edits
Hi everyone....I'm off on a new project. That is taking songs that
have answer songs that sound similar and have similar if not
identical tempos and editing them so they become one song. I have
done this successfully with Prince Buster's "Ten Commandments From
Man To Woman" followed in tempo by Princess Buster's compelling
answer "Ten Commandments From Woman To Man"...I'm looking for ideas
and/or CD Burns of the two songs so I can upload them and do the
edit. Your reward of course is your own copy of the final product
and mine is the massive pleasure I get when it works. I also took
Rosie Clooney's sung intro to "Mambo Italiano" and mashed it with
Bette Midler's version of same last year and ended it with Rosie
again saying "attsa nice" followed by that famous grunt. One other
thing I managed was to re-edit Aretha's "Respect" by pulling out
the break in the middle where she sings R-e-s-p-e-c-t, find out
what it means to me...TCB, etc and used it to frame an extended
intro at the beginning. Its a dance floor packer and an evergreen
and this gives it a needed boost and makes the tune less tired....
Ideas? You can e-mail me privately or just post it to the list....
Thanks in advance.
JB
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:19:11 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons live
Ray Otto wrote:
> Phil, I agree, it is a great performance. "So Young" was Reparata's
> favorite song from the Ronettes Philles album. She used to play and
> sing along with Ronnie long before she was singing professionally.
> It then became a staple in R & D's live shows.
Perhaps you could elaborate on the live shows, Ray -- what kinds of
venues did they play; were they mostly in the NYC area (that is, until
"Captain Of Your Ship" hit it big in Europe); was it mostly in the
multiple-act, two-song apiece "revue" format, or full-length shows,
etc.
Thanks,
--Phil M.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:55:40 +0100
From: Frank M
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons
Previously:
> In all of the years I've listened to Top 40 and oldies radio
> stations, I have only heard one song by this group, but I liked
> it very much. It was in very late 1967 or very early 1968, and
> the song was "The Captain of Your Ship". I heard it played on at
> least one Top 40 radio station in the Washington, DC, area,
> probably WPGC. But it didn't stay on the playlist very long, and
> my Whitburn Top Pop Singles book doesn't list it as having made
> the Hot 100. I've seen other collections by this group, but none
> of them seemed to have this song. I had begun to wonder if this
> song was only a figment of my imagination, but I see from your
> review that it's included in this CD:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/index2005.htm#Reparata
You should have been in the United Kingdom where it was all over
the radio and Reperata and the Delrons spent ten weeks in the UK
charts peaking at 13. I am sure they did Top of The Pops and other
TV appearances. Unfortunately the later Shoes scraped in the fifty
for two weeks.
FrankM
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:44:59 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Pearly Gates etc.
Pearly Gates did indeed record Disco/ Hi Energy in the UK as
did The Flirtations, although who the line up was I can't be
sure. I can probably find out if needs be. I have never been
able to understand the complexities of this, but The Gypsies
on Old Town were of course the Flirtations but seemingly not
The Flirtations on Festival. I think that's right, maybe
someone will clear that up for us if not.
Certain of the Flirtations recordings on Deram have enjoyed a
revival here recently, particularly "Nothing But A Heartache"
which ended up being featured in a TV ad. My personal favourite
(noticed the British English spelling please moderators) on the
label is "Need Your Loving" , which is a "stormer". I may even
include it on the Starpoint radio show this week. I also have a
soft spot for an RCA release from the mid seventies called 'Mr
Universe', a Motown-lite pop sing-a-long number which errs on
the side of twee but somehow works. A later "Hi Energy"
recording by The Flirtations called "Earthquake" is excellent
and almost transcends that much derided genre, in that it
retains a retro feel.
As a footnoote, in my days as an embryo celebrity gardener, I
used to see Pearly Gates at New Covent Garden flower market. We
do have a florist in out midst here so he may be able to
elaborate. I understand she was a florist herself. I never spoke
to her as I was very shy then. I wish I had. I never spoke to
Murray Melvin, the star of one of my very favourite films "A
Taste Of Honey" either when I used to see him on the number 31
bus. This reticence may partly be the explanation for total non
event of my T.V. career (coupled with the complete lack of any
television connections). I was way ahead of my time.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:36:39 -0000
From: Laurence H
Subject: wonderful resource
I am pleased that I have joined this informative and entertaining
group. I read the numerous knowledgeable messages daily that arrive
in my e-mails inbasket. I really look forward to looking through
them and seeing what new info and the related paths that I will be
led to. It's great that members are able to share their interests/
information with the rest of us. This site and the e-mails are a
wonderful resource for me and I want everyone concerned to know
that I am very appreciative of their efforts!!! Please keep the
e-mails coming, and, sometimes I'll be able join-in and contribute.
Keep up the good job that all of you are doing. Bye for now.
~~~ Laurence H.
of Del Rio, Texas
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:51:38 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: "The Montague Theme"
Hola everybody.
Mick Patrick about "The Montague Theme, Part 1", playing in
Musica:
> (The name) Allison Gary conceals the true identity of a famous
> singer (or singers). Let's see who can ID (t)he(i)r voice(s).
> Clue: the lady in question had a son, Gary. (Alias son Gary,
> geddit?)
Thanks for posting it, Mick. What a voice! She reminds me of
Cissy Houston.
Chao.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 03:49:05 -0000
From: David A Young
Subject: Darlene Love and Bobby Sheen - together again in musica
Charlie Sheen:
> Speaking of Darlene... I was looking through my fathers tapes last
> week, and came across two cassettes of a show that Darlene did in
> the early 80s. I listened to it and right in the middle of the
> show Darlene introduces Arlene Smith, she then sings "Maybe", then
> Darlene introduces my father (Bobby Sheen) and he sings "Stand by
> me". It's a pretty good show, I think dad wanted to release it on
> his record label because around that time he produced an album for
> her that went nowhere.
The album to which Charlie refers didn't really have a chance of
going much of anywhere. Released in 1983 on the Love Records label,
"Whole Hearted" didn't receive general distribution; it was only
available for sale on the Carnival cruise ships on which Darlene
was singing at the time (for $500 a week!).
Playing in musica currently are dueling versions of "I Shook the
World." The first, from 1963, is credited to Bob B. Soxx & the Blue
Jeans and comes from their sole LP; since it hasn't been released
on CD, I can share it with you here. Darlene sings lead (and
background); what I find curious about this and another song from
the album, "Jimmy Baby," is that they have the same backing tracks
as their co-composer Jackie DeShannon's demo versions. I've always
wondered: How is it that Phil came to produce demos for her (at
least these two)? Bill George or Peter Lerner, do you know the
answer to that question?
The second version is Bobby Sheen's, released as a single very
early in 1967. Actually, it's the B-side; the flip is "Cloud 9."
Note that Darlene reprises her background parts on the remake,
which was produced by Steve Douglas, who no doubt supplied the
scorching sax solo as well.
What else did you find in the box o' tapes, Charlie? I'd sure love
to hear the pair you described.
Happy listening, everybody!
David A. Young
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:01:04 -0400
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Magnificent Montague
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Montague himself vocalises on Part 2. Would anyone like to hear
> that side too.
You have to ask? Like, lay it on us, brother
Dig,
--Phil M.
P.S. That A-side was truly Magnificent.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:32:53 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons
Ray Otto wrote:
> I guess everyone has their favorites.
Mine is "That's what sends men to The Bowery. A most unusual song.
Not being from New York, I have never properly understood it. Maybe
that's a good thing.
Peter
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:54:04 EDT
From: John Fox
Subject: Re: Darlene Love
This is something I've been seeking for a long time, and Spectropop
is probably the best source for a solution. Does anyone know where
there might be a listing of the hits (i.e., top 40) on which the
Blossoms provided background vocals?
Thanks,
John Fox
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:23:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Einar Einarsson Kvaran
Subject: Re: The Wall of Sound
Tim asked:
> I know this might seem strange to you but i'm new to Phil Spector
> and wondered if anyone would explain the "Wall of Sound" style/
> technique to me please.
I'll nominate "Save the Last Dance For Me" by Ike & Tina Turner as
a great place to start listening to the WoS.
Einar
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:02:20 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Slow Twistin'
Just took delivery of the Abkco/Cameo-Parkway individual artists'
CDs - although Dee Dee Sharp's wasn't included - maybe there were
some last minute problems with that one.
Put the Chubby Checker set into the CD drive and watched the track
listing come up in Windows Media Player. Moved the mouse to track
13, "Slow Twistin'". Heaven - we get the version with the sax break
as opposed to a non-sax break version used on the recent 4CD boxed
set. Track 1 is Chubby backed by the Dreamlovers on "Dancin' Party"
and that's great too.
And that's all I've played so far. When this CD's finished it's onto
Bobby Rydell, the Tymes, the Dovells, the Orlons and (for a change
of pace) ? & the Mysterians. They all came from oldies.com, priced
at $9.95 each.
Enjoy 'em, Mike Edwards
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:54:46 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Wall of Sound
I know I should've picked this up way back in 1st Semester in
Introduction to Spector 101, but did Phil Spector coin the term
'Wall of Sound' himself or was it applied to his work by someone
else?
Lyn
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: baba bling
Subject: Lesley Gore: Sunday New York Times piece
Great read about Lesley's resurgence:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/arts/music/23mays.html
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:44:16 -0400
From: Karl Baker
Subject: shrink wrap question
These questions came to me last night while I was lying awake at
3 AM. Can anyone tell me how and why the practice of shrink
wrapping albums came to be here in the US? I don't remember this
being done prior to '64. Which was the first company to do so
(my guess: Capitol for The Beatles LPs)? How quick did it spread?
A related question would be: why did this not catch on in Europe?
Karl Baker
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