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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Tracey Emin / The Charmers
From: Mick Patrick
2. Re: Persian Market
From: Dave Monroe
3. Larry Weiss Sightings
From: Skip Woolwine
4. Re: "Should I Cry"; Oldies.com's top 10
From: Mike Edwards
5. Touch of a quality woman
From: Dave Monroe
6. Re: Peanut Duck
From: Robert Indart
7. Rhino Girl Group Box Set / Toni Basil - "I'm 28"
From: Stefano
8. Re: Bill Giant
From: Steve
9. Re: New York Girl Group Gig!
From: Country Paul
10. Need expert help -- Melcher, Nitzsche, Bruce Johnston specialists?
From: Hugo M
11. Re: Linda Carr
From: Will Stos
12. Jackie De Shannon's "Needles & Pins"
From: Rick Hough
13. Starpoint Playlist 2nd November
From: Simon White
14. Re: Bettye LaVette
From: Bill George
15. Re: Linda Carr
From: Mark
16. Matthew Reid "Cry Myself to Sleep"
From: Robert Indart
17. Lennon/Spector film
From: Eddy
18. Beagles
From: Andres
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:06:02 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Tracey Emin / The Charmers
Not long back from New York. Got hugged by Mary Aiese (Reparata),
Toni Wine, Margaret Ross and Maxine Brown, but failed to make eye
contact with Mary Weiss (Sigh). More on all that another day. In
the meantime:
Clunkie:
> Ever wondered what renowned British artist Tracey Emin's
> contribution to the world of Spectropop/Girl Groups is?
> Just take a look at the cover of Mick Patrick's 1985 compiled
> "Stop, Look and Listen!" compilation on Impact, and sandwiched
> inbetween two Delmonas (the Delmona on the left, Ludella Black,
> went on to cover one of the LP's tracks, Dawn's "I Believe
> They're All Talking About Me", on her "Bedlam A Go Go" LP, but
> that's most definitely another story) is the one time muse of
> Billy Childish making her artistic debut. A real work of art
> if ever I saw one!
Indeed it is, and to prove it, I've posted a scan of the album
cover to the S'pop Photos section. As Clunkie says, that's the
lovely Tracey in the middle. I appear to have a spare copy of
the LP. I wonder how much I could blag for this obviously
priceless artifact? View the cover here: http://tinyurl.com/cp6dp
I see that the paranoic "I Believe They're All Talking About Me"
by Dawn is included on "One Kiss..." (the Rhino Girl Group box
set). Good for them - it's a killer cut. Dawn is a person, btw,
not a group. But you all knew that.
In my mind exists a compilation CD entitled "Women On The Verge
Of A Nervous Breakdown". If ever such an item was ever actually
released, Dawn would be contained therein, along with "My Hi Fi
Albums And I" by Joyce Kennedy. But I digress.
As a treat for all Van McCoy fans, I've posted to musica another
gorgeous track from the "Stop Look And Listen" longplayer. Deets
are: The Charmers "Shy Guy" (Laurie 3173, 1963); written and
produced by Van McCoy. Link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:28:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Persian Market
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Hie yourself to > http://home.unet.nl/kesteloo/persianmarket.html
> where band member Don Cochrane runs down some highlights of the
> band's story, which included a celebrity drummer.
Ah, thank you. No wonder I didn't find this, as (a) it, uh,
"misspells" "Goochie," and (b) I simply never looked up "The Persian
Market." But that Little Ricky angle sounds familiar, so maybe my
friend was already hip to this. But I'm assuming that the song was
originally recorded by The Gamma Goochie. Yes? No? Either way, must
... get ... EP ...
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:00:06 -0600
From: Skip Woolwine
Subject: Larry Weiss Sightings
Ed Salamon wrote:
> "What A Wonderful World" was actually written by George David
> Weiss, with Bob Theile. I saw Larry at the post office last week.
> Nashville is such a small town.
Weird. I today just saw Larry Weiss outside the Starbucks at Belle
Meade Plaza, and a few weeks ago at Bread & Company at Westgate.
Skip Woolwine
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:48:45 -0000
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: Re: "Should I Cry"; Oldies.com's top 10
Rob Indart advises us that:
> "Should I Cry" was recorded by The Concords, a doo-wop group on
> Epic, in 1964. Here is a link to The Concords' story:
> http://www.destinationdoowop.com/concords.htm
Will Stos thanks him:
> Thanks for the info, Rob. Is this out on CD anywhere? If not,
> perhaps someone would be so kind as to play it to musica to give
> us a listen.
And I say:
You're in luck, Will, as the Concords' great version of "Should I
Cry" is available on the CD "Spotlite On Epic Records, Vol. 1"
from Collectables. It's available at oldies.com for $6.98:
http://www.oldies.com/product-view/56672.html
This CD contains another top-notch white doo-wop track from the
early '60s, "Remember Rita" by The Barons.
I remember Jackie DeShannon's version of "Should I Cry" from her
LP "You Won't Forget Me," but always thought it was woefully
underpowered when compared to the Concords' version. I think the
alternate take used on the Rhino boxed set remedies some of this.
The Concords' story that Rob refers to is excellent, although it
doesn't mention that Jackie DeShannon wrote "Should I Cry" nor does
it discuss group members' outside production work, such as "The
Loser" by the Skyliners from 1965.
While over at oldies.com, I noticed their top-10 sellers:
1) Bobby Rydell – Best Of
2) Chubby Checker – Best Of
3) The Tymes – Best Of
4) Dee Dee Sharp – Best Of
5) The Orlons – Best Of
6) The Dovells – Best Of
7) Jay & The Americans – Greatest Hits (budget issue)
8) Various Artists – Ultimate Doo-Wop Collection (2-cd)
9) ? and The Mysterians – Best Of
10) Little Anthony & The Imperials – Greatest Hits (budget issue)
This list obviously reflects oldies.com being the leading
distributor of the new Cameo-Parkway CDs but nonetheless it's great
to see Bobby Rydell at the top of it. Spectropoppers have to thank
member Phil Milstein for nudging Jody Klein and the gang at Abkco
to include "A Message From Bobby" on the Rydell CD; it previously
graced Phil's CD of unusual B-sides.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:51:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Touch of a quality woman
Help! Even Google is giving me no help identifying a song the
chorus of which distinctly deploys the phrase "the touch of a
quality woman" or somesuch. Help!
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:53:27 -0000
From: Robert Indart
Subject: Re: Peanut Duck
I wouldn't be a surprise that it was Claudine Clark that recorded
"Peanut Duck" as Marsha Gee. Wasn't it Claudine Clark that recorded
"Hang it Up" under the name of Joy Dawn because she was signed to
another record company. Any suggestions.
Rob
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:18:38 -0800
From: Stefano
Subject: Rhino Girl Group Box Set / Toni Basil - "I'm 28"
I was rather skeptical about this set when I saw the playlist,
simply because there are quite a number of tracks that I had
heard before, and was not sure whether the ones I had not heard
were going to make the whole purchase worthwhile. I'm glad I
ultimately bought it, because there is hardly a single track on
here that I found to be a dud. I did wish that stereo versions
were used for "I Have a Boyfriend" and "Baby That's Me", but,
ah well.
Of the tracks that I hadn't heard before, the one that really
struck me is Toni Basil's "I'm 28". Wow! What a fantastic record.
I had no idea she did something like this! Moody, eerie and
haunting. I loved it right away. Is there anyone else who was as
taken by this, as I? Had anyone else ever heard it before this
set? I am under the impression that it had never been released
in the US before, and that the original British single is quite
rare. Did Toni record anything else around this time?
Stefano
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:05:24 +0100
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Bill Giant
Rob Indart asked:
> I'm wondering if anybody has any information about Bill Giant,
> Florence Kaye and Bernie Baum, who were a great songwriting
> team from the '60s. They wrote a lot of Lou Johnson's sides on
> Big Top, the V.I.P.'s "You Pulled A Fast One" (also on Big Top)
> and also Bill Giant's "Poof (Up In Smoke)" (MGM), which was later
> covered by Kenny Lynch (on Big Top) as "Puff (Up In Smoke)."
> They also wrote a lot for the Elvis Presley movies.
A couple of Bill Giant compositions / demos made it the last year(s)
to eBay. One of these was "Better Let Her Go," a Hill & Range 78rpm.
Steve
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:07:11 -0000
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: New York Girl Group Gig!
The S'pop Team wrote:
> Dear Members,
> To mark the release of "One Kiss Can Lead To Another: Girl
> Group Sounds - Lost & Found" (ie, the Rhino Girl Group Box
> Set), Rhino Records have organized a gig in New York.
> More info: http://tinyurl.com/daxh9
> Flyer: http://tinyurl.com/8atao
> Hands up whose going.
I went - and what a treat on more than one front. The music was
exceptional; the whole evening was high points. Maxine Brown
"owned" the stage; she wrapped it up with a soulful "All In My
Mind" that turned into a long "testifying" section with many of
the assembled singers offstage chanting the song's hook while
Maxine stole the hearts - and souls - of the entire crowd. The
Goodees opened with a two-song set that was way too short, and
Lillian Walker of The Exciters closed it with a rockin' version
of "Tell Him" that equaled the energy and drive of the record.
In between, Margaret Ross of the Cookies, Barbara Harris of The
Toys and Lala Brooks of The Crystals showed why we loved them
then and love them now. And the amazing "glue" that helped hold
so much of it together was the multi-talented Toni Wine, who
both soloed and played piano at various points in the set. Most
of the artists only got to do one or two songs, but I think the
crowd almost unanimously agreed that if it had gone on all night,
it would have been all right! (Also present in non-singing
appearances were Mary Aiese (Reparata) and Nanette Licari of The
Delrons, who sang back-up; Mary Weiss of The Shangri-Las; and
the great Arlene Smith of The Chantels. I know I left many
people out, since I know the crowd was full of record company
execs, producers, writers, musicians and others who, if I could
have recognized them, I would have wanted to talk with all night.
The great unexpected joy, though, was meeting and reuniting with
Spectropoppers from all over who came to the event. A group of us
- Mick Patrick and Phil Chapman from the UK, David Young from
Seattle and Tony Leong from New York - got to hang out for much
of the evening. It was also great to see Sheila from ChaCha
Charming, who wrote the liner notes to the box set, and to have
the pleasure to meet many more of you; namedropping at this point
would be even more pretentious than I might already sound, so
I'll let it go at that.
What an incredible night - the people I knew, the people I met,
the people I heard - and the smile hasn't gone from my face yet!
(Special thanks to Phil Milstein for bringing this incredible
evening to our attention; wish you could've been there!)
Country Paul
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:37:33 -0000
From: Hugo M
Subject: Need expert help -- Melcher, Nitzsche, Bruce Johnston specialists?
Howdy all, hope everyone's rockin' --
I've got this record, see; test pressing, no info on labels... My
intuition tells me it's a Columbia release from 65 or 66. That's
only a guess, but it seems to have that "house sound", like a
Johnston/Melcher/Nitzsche type production.
Naturally, I'm hoping it's an unissued item (and if it is, I really
am not going to worry about who could have recorded it) ... but if
it's something that did get an official release, sooner or later
somebody's got to say "oh, yeah, I've heard that record, it's by..."
The guy I got the record from said it was by The Harbingers... but
I later found out he didn't have any especially good reason for
believing that... And it's not "Susan/Foreign Policy" by The
Buckinghams, though that was a briliant guess...
It's SoCal sound folk-rock, one side (if not both) is a perfect
Byrds imitation. B-side gets into that folk-rock/raga crossover
thing with acoustic guitars, makes me think of the Blue Things.
What I imagine they sound like, at least, since I've never heard
them...
Matrix numbers are DD-HA-1/DD-TB-1.
Here are the lyrics, first verse of each side:
"All you pacifistic, anarchistic harbingers of fear
Please tell me just what kind of world you save.
I hate war the same as you, but we differ, then, we two;
I can't sit and preach and watch the world enslaved."
b/w
"Don't give your heart to Susan,
Don't let her know you care.
Cuz if you give your heart to her,
Susan's heart won't be there."
Ring any bells, Mel?
Sorry I'm not able to post it to musica... Thanks to any and all
who give the question any stray moments of their attention, I hope
maybe someone will recognize it for me...
Best wishes & have a great weekend --
Hugo M.
pmadreenter@yahoo.cm
http://free.hostdepartment.com/P/PME
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:47:48 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Linda Carr
Rob Indart wrote:
> Does anybody have any information on Linda Carr, who recorded for
> DCP? I have two 45s by her, and am very curious who she was. All
> four songs were written and produced by Teddy Randazzo.
No specific info, but I see that she recorded "Baby Are You Putting
Me On" which was also covered by the Royalettes on one of their
excellent albums and by Jackie Trent in the UK. It's a killer song.
Will : )
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:10:27 -0000
From: Rick Hough
Subject: Jackie De Shannon's "Needles & Pins"
Kingsley Abbott wrote:
> (Jackie DeShannon) confirmed that she did indeed work on
> "Needles And Pins" with Jack although her name is not on the
> song. She needed a single and Liberty wasn't keen on anything
> she had at that point. Jack had a riff and they began to work
> it up into something together in their usual working way, and
> yes, Sonny Bono was around as well. She is philosophical about
> the writing credit as it stands.
Thanks for pursuing that, Kingsley - another Bonological myth
(finally) busted! I'll be looking forward to reading the full
piece.
Structural analysis of the song indicates more Nitzsche/de Shannon
than Nitszche/Bono, but it's darned gracious of her that she's
philisophical re the writing credit.
BEHIND THE MAKING OF SONNY & CHER - A Rock & Roll Fable
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~peggylee/
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:10:25 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Starpoint Playlist 2nd November
Live broadcast Wednesdays 1.30-3.00
Now repeating three times a week
Check the website schedule for times
http://www.starpointradio.com
I Got That Feeling - Ila Vann - Roulette
Quiet As It's Kept - Lee Andrews And The Hearts - Lost Nite
Hello Lover, Goodbye Friend - The Nu Luvs
She Blew A Good Thing - The Poets - Symbol
Open The Door to Your Heart - Darrel Banks - Stateside
I See Your Name Up In Lights - Chris Bartley - Right On
She's Ready - Spiral Starecase - Columbia
Bad Love - Marlene And The Debanettes - Sunburst
So Glad You Chose Me - Marv Johnson - Tamla Motown
OO Soul Of Sonny Stitt - Ric Tic
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Mama Julie - Terry and Jerry - R&B
Let's Twine - Dee Dee Sharp - Cameo
The Shelter Of Your Arms - Bobby Sheen - Warner Brothers
Can't Help Loving You - Paul Anka - RCA CD "Jumping At The Go-Go"
Don't Shut Me Out - Sammy Davis Jnr - Reprise EP
I'll Stop Loving You - The Servicemen - Grapevine
I Won't Be Hurt - The Sensations - Way Out
Stop & Listen - Patti Drew - Capitol
When Things Get a Little Better - Oscar Boyd - Hermes
You Walked Into My Life - Jerry Butler - Mercury
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:03:20 EST
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Bettye LaVette
Love it. More please! Are any of her early recordings on CD? I
would especially love to hear her version of "He Made A Woman Out
Of Me" since I love the Bobbie Gentry version so much.
Bill
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:54:37 -0000
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Linda Carr
Rob Indart wrote:
> Does anybody have any information on Linda Carr, who recorded for
> DCP? I have two 45s by her, and am very curious who she was. All
> four songs were written and produced by Teddy Randazzo.
Linda Carr had a few more singles after her run on DCP. She had a
couple on Bell, of which I can only remember one: "Trying to Be
Good For You"/"Every Time" (Bell 658). The A-side has received
some spins on the Northern soul circuit, the flip is a Dan Penn-
Spooner Oldham comp that the Box Tops later recorded.
There are also two singles on Ranwood, both of interest to the
Northern soul crowd:
"In My Life"/"I Feel Love Coming On" (Ranwood 806)
The A-side is an excellent fast dancer, written by none other than
the Maestro himself, Barry White. Wonder if the flip is the same as
the Felice Taylor tune that White produced for the Mustang label?
"Ah! You Are My World to Me"/"I Can't Really Tell You Goodbye"
(Ranwood 828)
The liner notes to the UK CD "Northern Soul Fever Volume 1", which
contains "In My Life", mentions that Ms. Carr had a UK chart single
on the Highwire label. Can anyone elaborate on that?
BTW, I'm looking at the writer creds on the CD--"In My Life" was co-
written by White along with Frank and Vance Wilson (names that any
Northern soul aficionado should recognize...shame on you if you
don't! :)).
Best,
Mark
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:19:48 -0000
From: Robert Indart
Subject: Matthew Reid "Cry Myself to Sleep"
Does anybody know where I can find Matthew Reid's "Crying Myself
to Sleep" on CD? I think it was written by Bob Gaudio and covered
by the Four Seasons.
Thanks,
Rob
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:55:30 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Lennon/Spector film
Thought there might be an interest in this bit of video a friend
of mine made available for download: http://tinyurl.com/anxlj
John Lennon & Friends
Let's Have a Party, The Video
Syracuse, NY
October 9, 1971
John Lennon
Yoko Ono
Ringo Starr
Phil Spector
Eric Clapton
Klaus Voorman
Allen Ginsberg
Jim Keltner
Mal Evans
Neil Aspinall
About the video:
This is an MPG made from film footage, of home movie quality. Some
of the action (video only) sped up. It is short, only 2:39 in
length. The audio is comprised of two partial songs.
1) He's Got The Whole World In His Hands
2) Attica State
It is the only video of John's 31st Birthday that I know of. I
downloaded it a couple of years ago. The music isn't necessarily
synched to the video.
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:07:31 +0300
From: Andres
Subject: Beagles
Laura asked:
> I have not been able to find any information on the boys behind
> the '60s cartoon band The Beagles. Can somebody give me information
> about their careers, before and after The Beagles?
Ayrton:
> I have a single by them -- "Let's All Sing Like The Birdies Sing" /
> "Deep In The Heart Of Texas" -- even issued here in Brazil, circa
> 1964.
Oh, it's a common mistake, this group, which released "Let's All
Sing Like The Birdies Sing" is NOT the same group, which Laura
was interested in. Just two different groups with the same name.
There was The Beagle No: 3 though - The Beagle and the Four
Liverpool Whigs with I Want to Hold Your Hand LP, released on
Sutton Records presumably in 1964. Any more Beagles?
Andres
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