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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Michael and the Messengers
From: Bill Mulvy
2. Re: Lou Rawls R I P
From: Artie Wayne
3. Re: Edith Piaf sings Leiber & Stoller
From: Mark Maldwyn
4. 15 minutes of fame ticking away
From: Ronnie Allen
5. Bach's Lunch
From: Joann
6. Steve Tudanger revised on musica
From: Razorface2@aol.com
7. Soul Weekender
From: Dave Monroe
8. Steve Tudanger
From: Martin Roberts
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:20:35 -0600
From: Bill Mulvy
Subject: Re: Michael and the Messengers
Gary Myers on Jerry Goodman:
> Goodman was a later member of Michael & the Messengers
> (whose complicated story is in my book, "Do You Hear That
> Beat"). Later on, Goodman was with John McLaughlin
> Mahavishnu Orch.
Would you happen to know if Michael and the Messengers will
ever have a CD comp out? They only have Romeo and Juliet and
Midnight Hour out on Nuggets and a Bob Stroud comp. I'd like
to have a clean copy of the b-side Lifs (Don't Mean Nothin).
By the way, was that a misprint on the word lifs? That is a
great song, which few know about. Haunting in an early New
Colony Six sort of way.
Bill Mulvy
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:54:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Lou Rawls R I P
Although I was aware of the impact that Lou Rawls had on
his own generation, Frank Sinatra in particular, I never
felt a personal connection with his music until, "Love is
a Hurtin' Thing" [Raleigh/Lindley]. To understand why this
was a pivitol point, not only in his career, but to the
evoloution of pop music in general, we have to examine the
times during which this music was created.
It came in the middle of the Civil Rights movement, when
"Negroes" were "allowed" to voice a political opinion in
music...a time when complacency, turned into, "Say it Loud,
I'm Black and I'm Proud!. Lou Rawls, obviously wanted to
express himself too, but was restrained by his label,
Capitol records, who still refered their R and B recordings
as "race records".
Capitol A+R men made it clear to me, as a songwriter/
publisher they were only looking for material that was
entertaining, not a song that made a political statement of
any kind.
Lou, obviously, jumped at a chance to combine his
streetwise eloquence with a song Ben Raleigh and David
Linden brought to him, "Love is a Hurtin' Thing". Lou's
talking at the beginning of the record was as
revoloutionary, from a personal and emotional standpoint,
as any music connected with the Civil Rights movement. He
even got R and B radio play...a rarity for Capitol records
during this time.
For the next few years, he was the only one making records
like these that were sucessful. Then a couple of artists
came along a few years later, and added longer talking
segments, liberally sprinkled with sexual references...and
a "New" genre was born, with it's new stars, Isaac Hayes
and Barry White.
It was when he signed with Philadelphia International, that
he actually sold the most albums, I believe. Gamble and
Huff were looking for artists who could be sucessfully
marketed by their distribution company, Columbia records,
and Lou fit the Bill perfectly. He not only was one of the
best interpreters of Gamble and Huff's songs, he had a
history of being able to sell albums.
It was around this time that I met Lou. Margo Matthews, who
was Ed Silvers secretary at Warner Brothers music, had been
his personal assistant for years...and he dropped by to see
her one day. As I walked by her office, she called me in,
and introduced us. I sat talking with him for a few minutes
...and felt like I was reconnecting with an old friend. I
left a few minutes later, to let them talk, but I felt
special all day long...not to mention everytime I heard one
of his recordings from that day on.
Hope you're enjoying your "Wings".
Warmly, Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:11:00 -0000
From: Mark Maldwyn
Subject: Re: Edith Piaf sings Leiber & Stoller
Frank wrote:
> Since we're talking about non-English version of L&S songs,
> I'd recommend another French one : Henri Salvador : "Along
> Came Jones" which became probably the biggest success of all
> L&S songs in France under the title of : "Zorro est arrivé"!
And there's the Anglo-Irish version of "Jones" by Jackie Lee
and The Raindrops.
Mark M
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:55:13 EST
From: Ronnie Allen
Subject: 15 minutes of fame ticking away
I''m Ronnie Allen though many people think my name is
"RonnieOldiesGuy," which is my AOL screen name!
Back in 1961, while living in Teaneck, NJ, I released my
only single, billed as Ronnie Allen. It was on the Dapt
label (Dapt 205) and was called "Flip Over You." The B side
was '"Ronnie's Swanee."
Unfortunately "Flip" was a flop.
However, by a stroke of luck (either good or bad, depending
on point of view) that flop recording of mine is in great
demand these days around the world on the collector's market.
Which would seem to be really great in terms of ego-boosting
-- except that I am not really sure it is in demand for the
right reason!
It turns out that around the time I recorded "Flip Over You"
there was a different recording artist who also used the name
"Ronnie Allen" and recorded on the San record label. His
best-known recording was "Juvenile Delinquent" (a fine record
indeed) and he had a few others as well.
We were both rockabilly artists. He was a guitarist/singer
where I was a pianist/singer. Our paths never crossed and I
eventually found out, sadly, that he passed away in the
mid-60s. I never found out whether he was aware of me and
the truth is that I didn't become aware of him until the 70s.
The above information is directly germane to the question of
why my "Flip" flop recording would be of interest to anybody.
It turns out that because my name was identical to his
(spelled exactly the same way), many record collectors still
think that we were the same recording artist.
And because his recordings are considered very valuable on
the collector's market, my single recording of "Flip Over
You" on Dapt is also considered valuable, largely because
many people to this day still confuse the two of us.
Times Square Records not long ago was advertising my Dapt
recording of "Flip Over You" online for $100 (that's one
hundred bucks)!
The latest Osborne publication that I saw has finally
corrected their information (and now acknowledges that the
two of us were different artists) but the price of my
recording on the collector's market is still around 50
dollars.
That's only part of the story.
There's a CD out there (still available if you look) called
"Rockin' Around Nashville" that contains 7 tracks by "Ronnie
Allen": two of the tracks are my "Flip Over You" and
"Ronnie's Swanee" and the other five are by the other
"Ronnie Allen"!
If I recall correctly (I don't have the CD in front of me)
there's also a picture of "Ronnie Allen" and, yes, it's HIM!
Also the fact is that I never recorded anywhere near
Nashville!
"Flip Over You" was recorded at Regent Sound studios in New
York City, the same place where Linda Scott, Janie Grant and
the Angels did their recorings on Canadian-American and
Caprice.
I actually got to know Linda personally since she was also
from Teaneck. Happily she did manage to achieve appreciable
access (while I was struggling!) with "I've Told Every
Little Star" and "Don't Bet Money, Honey." I personally
bought her a copy of my record and played it for her and she
told me that she preferred the B side, "Ronnie's Swanee."
But I preferred "Flip Over You," largely because it was an
original song. I actually tried to copyright "Ronnie's
Swanee" but the copyright office sent back my money,
explaining that they could not accept the premise that I had
written "Swanee River"! [I tried to explain that I was
copyrighting an arrangement but they wouldn't buy that
argument].
When my record came out, the company -- Dapt Records -- made
a BIG mistake! Besides releasing it in the first place! LOL :)
They misprinted the title of the A side as "FLIP YOU OVER"!!!
I was, uh, FLIPergasted but what could I do except request
that they press it with the CORRECT title.
They did and they promised me that all of the bad copies would
be destroyed!
Today I found out that one of those bad copies from 44 years
ago somehow managed to walk out of the studio!!!
This link should work for the next few days (I am posting this
on January 7, 2006.)
XXXX://cgi.ebay.com/Ronnie-Allen-Flip-You-Over-Ronnies-
Swanee-NR_W0QQitemZ4818238276QQcategoryZ25602QQssPage
NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
To view the link, please replace XXXX with http.
This is the first time to my knowledge that I have made it
onto Ebay, so of course I am humbled. Even though the title
is wrong!!!
By the way, this may very well be the only copy of "Flip You
Over" (misprinted title) in existence.
So could it be worth a zillion dollars maybe?
As I type this I can imagine that my "fame" clock is doing
its thing .....
Tick! Tick! Tick!
Ronnie Allen
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:01:13 -0000
From: Joann
Subject: Bach's Lunch
I am trying to locate the song "Will You Love Me Tomorrow",
and on the other side was "You Go On", by a group named The
Bach's Lunch. The record label name was: Tomorrow. Any
information is appreciated.
Thank you, Joann
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 20:50:00 EST
From: Razorface2@aol.com
Subject: Steve Tudanger revised on musica
I have taken down Steve Tudanger's demo of "Mary" and replaced
it with the master.
As I remember it, this was the 'B' side of "Everybody's Talkin'
'Bout You Now" only when it was released on Chelsea in the US
and RCA in Canada. Not on the Mercury release.
Delbert is God,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 06:48:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Soul Weekender
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:49:19 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Steve Tudanger
Thanks to Mike Rashkow and S'pop for playing the Steve Tudanger
demos to musica. Sad he's passed away but I am grateful to
Rashkovsky for posting his request, some months ago, for
messages to be sent to Steve. Nice to know he'd have an idea
how much his music was enjoyed. Few 45s give me as much
pleasure as his Four-Evers "(Say I Love You) Doo Bee Dum" on
Smash.
Martin
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