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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: TWIST UPTOWN IN STEREO - HOW VILE!
From: Frank
2. Re: fake-outs
From: Stewart Mason
3. Happy birthday Brian Wilson!!
From: David Parkinson
4. Need info on Girl-group CD line (Sha-Boom records)
From: Bret Wheadon
5. Bad fake stereo.
From: Billy G Spradlin
6. Fake Endings
From: Ian Slater
7. More Gentrys
From: Marc Miller
8. Byrds
From: Marc Miller
9. Re: Need info on Girl-group CD line (Sha-Boom records)
From: Mark Frumento
10. Mike Love is pathetic...
From: Ken Levine
11. Re: fake-outs
From: Phil Chapman
12. Re: Volume 1-10 of Girl Groups
From: supremedream
13. Re: fake-outs
From: Phil Chapman
14. Gino Socchio/Toulouse
From: Don
15. Re: TWIST UPTOWN IN STEREO - HOW VILE!
From: Phil Chapman
16. Re: Byrds
From: Bill Reed
17. Spliced songs; Flying Pickets
From: Paul Payton
18. SMiLE
From: Spectropop Team
19. Re: Mike Love put on
From: Mark Frumento
20. Re: Mike Love put on
From: Mark Wirtz
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:17:45 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: TWIST UPTOWN IN STEREO - HOW VILE!
De : james botticelli
Objet : Spectropop - Re: TWIST UPTOWN IN STEREO - HOW VILE!
> Frank wrote:
>> Jimmy, would you care to tell us which tracks you have are Stereo,
>> I have several stereo Spector records and would like to know if
>> they are the same.
> It's on my "to do" list...sorry, best I can do at the moment
> Jimmy Botticelli - Taking The E-Z...Way Out!
I know how it is... I'll just wait. Thanks all the same,
Frank
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:00:53 -0400
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: fake-outs
Country Paul writes:
>Re: Fake endings - the Contours caught me off-guard on the radio, too.
>My favorite fake ending, although not a fade-out, is the Raindrops'
>"The Kind Of Boy You Can't Forget," which ends full and then picks up
>with those astounding ultra-compressed drums. (Joe Meek would have been
>proud.) There's also a full-stop-and-pickup fake ending on the title
>track of T-Bone Burnett's "Drivin' Wheel" album (Takoma, 1981?), a
>wonderfully authentic retro rockabilly track; and the Chartbusters'
>energetic "She's The One" (Mutual, 1964) has a full pause, then kicks
>into overdrive with an upward modulation. The first fake-ending hit I
>remember is Bobby Freeman's original "Do You Wanna Dance" (Josie, c. 1958).
And, of course, let's not forget the Beach Boys' "The Little Girl I Once
Knew," which I nominate as the weirdest single by a major group of 1965:
it's nothing *but* starts and stops, and the stops last a full five seconds
each! There's a song I'd love to hear about the recording sessions for.
Stewart
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:35:59 -0700
From: David Parkinson
Subject: Happy birthday Brian Wilson!!
He's 60 today.
David
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:58:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bret Wheadon
Subject: Need info on Girl-group CD line (Sha-Boom records)
Hi,
I've found a curious line of girl-group CD's that I've
never heard of... can someone help me out with
identifying the Sha-Boom label, and what kind of
quality the material is? Where did these artists come
from? I've only heard of a couple...
THE GIRL GROUP SOUND VOLUME SEVEN - THE EARLY YEARS
Sha-Boom SH107 - TRACKS:
THE BLOSSOMS-I'm In Love;
THE LUVS-We Kiss In The Shadows;
THE LES-FEMMS-This I Swear;
YVONNE VERNEE & GROUP-Your Touch;
CHOLLI MATE & GROUP-Cry For Me;
THE NU-LUVS-Baby You Belong To Me;
BARBARA MASON & GROUP-Dedicated To You;
THE SYDELLS-In The Night;
THE BRIGHTONES-Rumors;
THE SENSATIONS-You Made Me Love You;
ROSIE & GROUP-The Time Is Near;
ANITA MAY & GROUP-Tarnished Angel;
THE CHALLENGERS-Honey Honey Honey;
THE FOUR JEWELS-Loaded With Goodies;
THE UNISONS-Loosers Seem To Know;
THE DONNELS-Here Comes The Bride;
THE TRI-DELLS-Baby I Love You So;
THE LOVETTES-Lonely Girl;
DARNELL & THE DREAMS-The Day Before Yesterday;
THE APOLLOS-All Sold Out;
THE DELTAIRS-Lullaby Of The Bells;
THE ORLONS-Over The Mountain;
HONEY & THE BEES-Please Have Mercy Baby
Thanks for any help...
Bret
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:29:23 -0000
From: Billy G Spradlin
Subject: Bad fake stereo.
> Re: Crystals Twist Uptown - Capitol's "Duophonic" fake stereo was
> pretty lame, but RCA's "simulated" stereo was really gawdawful. The
> delay was significantly greater, and no attempt seemed to be made
> to at least re-EQ it.
I used to have a couple early Elvis LP's (that were pressed in the
70's) in rechanneled stereo. listing to upbeat tracks like "I Got
Stung" with the extra slapback was really nauseating.
Another bad stereo effect was adding extra reverb. Reprise made the
Kinks sound like they were playing in a high school gym. I remember
hearing "I Need You" (one of my longtime faves) on CD without the
extra reverb and thinking "somethings missing here".
Imperial did some lousy rechanneling on the Hollies early albums -
they even added 50's slap back to the groups STEREO masters on some
tracks! The worst fake stereo job was the one Epic did to the Dave
Clark 5's "Try To Hard" LP - they added something like a 7 second
delay between channels - totally unlistenable.
BTW some oldies stations are still playing the Duophonic versions
of "I Get Around" and Peter & Gordon's "Woman". They have even popped
up on various artists oldies CD's that way too. Yuck!
Billy
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:28:48 +0100
From: Ian Slater
Subject: Fake Endings
On the subject of fake endings, there are two girl group classics
that deserve honourable mention:
I Won't Tell by Tracey Dey (Amy 912 and in the various artists
"Lookin' For Boys" comp. CD and the Tracey Dey / Marcie Blane
Marginal CD) and:
An all-time favourite of mine - "Oh Donnie" by the Secrets (Philips
40196, and sadly never reissued so far as I know)
Ian Slater
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:31:00 -0400
From: Marc Miller
Subject: More Gentrys
I'm pretty sure that Keep On Dancin" was originally released on
the Youngstown label, then picked up by MGM. Stewart mentioned
that it was a cover of an R&B song, which is something I didn't
know, but now have to own! The guitarist, Larry Raspberry had a
few solo LPs in the mid to late 70's.m I got to meet him once.
Really nice guy.
Marc
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:33:49 -0400
From: Marc Miller
Subject: Byrds
I, too, was under the impression that the Byrds didn't play on
their early records - especially after seeing some clips of them
playing live on TV. They were TERRIBLE! - IMHO, of course.
Marc
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:39:32 -0400
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Need info on Girl-group CD line (Sha-Boom records)
Bret Wheadon:
> I've found a curious line of girl-group CD's that I've
> never heard of
Someone out there knows the details on the label I'm sure but I
think there was 10 CDs in the set. 1-5 are classic girl group
sound and 6-10 are earlier period, almost doo-wop in nature.
I have volume 1-5 and really like them a lot. I think the quality
is decent, though I seem to remember that they are not from master
tapes. There are a bunch of songs on them that I would otherwise
never find so I for one recommend the first 5. Not being a fan of
earlier girl sound I can't speak for those volumes.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:51:02 -0700
From: Ken Levine
Subject: Mike Love is pathetic...
He's recorded a live SMILE album. Here's the story and interview
with Mike. You might want to shower after you read it.
Ken
http://members.tripod.com/brian67smile/mikelovesmilelive.htm
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:14:35 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: fake-outs
Country Paul writes:
> My favorite fake ending, although not a fade-out, is the
> Raindrops' "The Kind Of Boy You Can't Forget," which ends
> full and then picks with those astounding ultra-compressed drums.
I used to play that section over and over when I first heard it. The
four bars in the middle are quite cool too! When I eventually got an
opportunity to record a 70s UK version by The Flirts, not great I'm
afraid, I couldn't resist sampling the drum-break and laying it in!
Without getting too technical, I still wonder which compressors they
used - Fairchild, Teletronics, UREI?? Anybody know?
Phil
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:22:48 -0000
From: supremedream
Subject: Re: Volume 1-10 of Girl Groups
I have all 10 volumes of the girl group compilations. I had
volume 6-10 first. It was several years before I was able to
complete the set through a warehouse find at
http://www.discol.com.
A treasure trove of goodies....most very rare.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:40:57 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: fake-outs
Stewart Mason writes:
> And, of course, let's not forget the Beach Boys' "The Little
> Girl I Once Knew",
..or, for that matter, the fade on "When I Grow Up (To Be A Man)" -
I heard this when I was fourteen, the first 'sung' age in the
backing vocals. I made a mental note that one day I would be off the
record, and, sure enough, the day eventually came around when, no matter
how loud I turned up the fade, age 33 (UK 45rpm) was the end of the line!
I've heard remixes, and album versions that shorten my life, but is
there a version that gets past 33?
Phil
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:15:23 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Gino Socchio/Toulouse
From Vlaovic B ........
> "Gino Soccio's "Dancer". The latter I wouldn't be surprised
> to find had vocals supplied by none other than Toulouse."
The female vocals on the 'Outline' album which featured 'Dancer'
were all performed by .. Heather Gautier : Sharon Lee Williams :
Laurie Niedzielski : Julia Gilmore, and Busta Jones (who may be
either male or female - I dunno but add the name anyway)
I'll leave it up to you to say whether these ladies were all, or
part of Toulose
Don
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:49:06 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: TWIST UPTOWN IN STEREO - HOW VILE!
Mick Patrick wrote:
> This must be a first, Mr Chapman making a
> special request for a track in (((((MONO))))). :-)
Despite my never-ending quest to dissect the classics, I generally
prefer to listen to the Spector stuff in mono, as intended. Possible
exceptions are the Ike & Tina and Checkmates Ltd stereos, which are
so luxurious.
Duophonic is downright repulsive - phase-shifts are a mind warp,
especially under the influence:-)
So please rush me "Gee Whiz.." in mono - I agree I am over 21, and
if not absolutely delighted etc etc....
Phil
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 04:52:40 -0000
From: Bill Reed
Subject: Re: Byrds
Marc Miller wrote:
> I, too, was under the impression that the Byrds didn't play on
> their early records -
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
This might be a repost on my part - a bit of trouble yersterday with
my Yahoo - but Earl Palmer played drums on some (most , all?) of Pre-
Flyte.
bill reed
http://communities.msn.com/nickdecaro
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 02:17:01 -0400
From: Paul Payton
Subject: Spliced songs; Flying Pickets
Stewart Mason writes:
> "Keep On Dancing" is unique in my experience: it's the only hit
> song I know of that takes longer to listen to than it did to record.
> According to a couple of sources I've seen, the fadeout on "Keep On
> Dancing" is just the first 30 seconds or so of the song stuck onto
> the end of the original minute-and-a-half-long recording to pad it
> out to a more reasonable length for a single.
Not the only one - I believe it was Little Richard's "Slippin' and Slidin'"
(or possibly "Jenny, Jenny") about which the same thing was true some eight
or ten years earlier. Recorded on tour at a radio station, they only had
about 1:20 of original material, so they snipped and spliced more verses and
instrumental breaks into another minute-plus for release. (If I could
remember the source of this information., I'd credit it/them. Barry Hansen
[Dr. Demento] was Specialty's in-house reissue maven for a while; perhaps
one of our west coast correspondants could ask him.)
A little later, but still soft-pop: The Flying Pickets, "Only You," was a
gorgeous a capella record which I believe was a large hit in the UK - and
which Dr. Demento played on his show in the US. It sure grabbed my ears. Who
were they, where did they come from and go to, and did they have more hits
of similar nature?
Country Paul
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:39:07 -0000
From: Spectropop Team
Subject: SMiLE
>Love Releases Smile Album!
Judging by all the responses, and this being an item on the
SMiLE Humour Page, we're safe to assume that it is a joke.
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:22:28 -0400
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Mike Love put on
> He's recorded a live SMILE album. Here's the story and interview
> with Mike.
Funny stuff!.... It does seem a shame that this may be how we will
remember ML, though he probably deserves more credit than he gets.
Poor Mike, can he save his reputation?
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:30:08 EDT
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Mike Love put on
>> He's recorded a live SMILE album. Here's the story and interview
>> with Mike.
Mark Frumento:
> Funny stuff!.... It does seem a shame that this may be how we will
> remember ML, though he probably deserves more credit than he gets.
> Poor Mike, can he save his reputation? >>
*** well, the whole situation is a bit like Grandpa Columbus setting sail
to re-discover America (India) one more time...
M;)
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