Spectropop - Digest Number 511

• From: Spectropop Group
• Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002

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                        Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Keep On Singing
           From: Doc Rock 
      2. Re: fake-outs
           From: Beatle Bob 
      3. Re: Busta Jones/tape trickery/Flying Pickets
           From: Stewart Mason 
      4. Symphonic Mike Love
           From: Greg 
      5. Re: Spliced songs;
           From: simon white 
      6. Stereo - How Vile.
           From: Jake 
      7. Re: Symphonic Mike Love
           From: Phil Milstein 
      8. Re: Stereo - How Vile.
           From: MIkey 
      9. Re: Spliced songs;
           From: Phil Milstein 
     10. Re: Keep On Singing
           From: Mikey 
     11. Re: Stereo - How Vile.
           From: Jake 
     12. Re: fake-outs
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     13. Re: Stereo - How Vile.
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     14. Re: fake-outs
           From: Nick Archer 
     15. RE: Fake Endings
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     16. Re: Keep On Dancing
           From: Dan Hughes 
     17. RE: Fake Endings
           From: gregg luvoxx 
     18. The Liquid Room 6/16/02
           From: David Ponak 


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Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:33:49 -0400
   From: Doc Rock 
Subject: Keep On Singing

My 45 of the Gentrys' hit features a faint continuation of the song
through the run-out grooves!

Doc



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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:49:14 +0000
   From: Beatle Bob 
Subject: Re: fake-outs

Not to mention the Beatles "Strawberry Fields Forever" and 
Brian Wilson (Beach Boys) on "Caroline No".

Beatle Bob



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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:57:51 -0400
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: Re: Busta Jones/tape trickery/Flying Pickets

Don says:
>The female vocals on the 'Outline' album which featured 'Dancer' 
>were all performed by .. Heather Gautier : Sharon Lee Williams : 
>Laurie Niedzielski : Julia Gilmore, and Busta Jones (who may be 
>either male or female - I dunno but add the name anyway)
>
>I'll leave it up to you to say whether these ladies were all, or 
>part of Toulose 

Busta Jones is almost certainly the charmingly-nicknamed Busta 
"Cherry" Jones, an R&B/funk bassist who also has a foot in art-pop, 
having worked with Brian Eno, Robert Fripp and Talking Heads, 
among others.  He's a he.

Country Paul:
>Stewart Mason writes:
>
>> "Keep On Dancing" is unique in my experience: it's the only hit 
>> song I know of that takes longer to listen to than it did to 
>> record. According to a couple of sources I've seen, the fadeout 
>> on "Keep On Dancing" is just the first 30 seconds or so of the 
>> song stuck onto the end of the original minute-and-a-half-long 
>> recording to pad it out to a more reasonable length for a single.
>
> Not the only one - I believe it was Little Richard's "Slippin' and 
> Slidin'" (or possibly "Jenny, Jenny") about which the same thing 
> was true some eight or ten years earlier. Recorded on tour at a 
> radio station, they only had about 1:20 of original material, so 
> they snipped and spliced more verses and instrumental breaks into 
> another minute-plus for release.

In the non-hit category, in 1981, Cherry Red Records took a verse, 
chorus and break from an unfinished and unreleased early track by 
Marc Bolan circa 1966 and cut'n'pasted it into an actually quite 
good full-length single called "You Scare Me To Death." Worth 
checking out for freakbeat fans.
and again:

> A little later, but still soft-pop: The Flying Pickets, "Only You", 
> was a gorgeous a capella record which I believe was a large hit in 
> the UK - and which Dr. Demento played on his show in the US. It 
> sure grabbed my ears. Who were they, where did they come from and 
> go to, and did they have more hits of similar nature?

The Flying Pickets are still around, I believe, but they were mostly
popular in the UK in the early '80s. You can find the full story at
http://www.pickets.co.uk, but I'll toss out this tidbit from the band 
bio: "The group was first formed in 1982 by members of the 7:84 Theatre 
group, a socialist fringe theatre group who used acappella singing in a 
production called One Big Blow, the story of the 1982 miner's strike in 
England, from the miner's point of view. They enjoyed the singing so 0
much that they started to work around the pubs and clubs of London, at a 
time when nobody else in the UK was performing pop/rock based acappella, 
and found immediate success."

Besides their own records, they sang backup on a lot of hit records of 
the period, including singles by Paul Young and (I believe) Tracey Ullman.
"Only You," btw, is a cover of a song by the UK synth duo Yaz (Yazoo in 
the UK), whose singer, Alison Moyet, has one of the finest R&B-inflected 
voices this side of Dusty Springfield.  Her Lamont Dozier-penned 1985 solo 
single "Invisible" is a particular gem.

Stewart



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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT)
   From: Greg 
Subject: Symphonic Mike Love

Following in Brian's footsteps, Mike Love and his "Beach Boys" 
will be performing with the Pittsburgh Symphony on July 2nd at 
Heinz Hall. I won't be there...

Greg

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/bbtours.htm



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Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:18:03 +0100
   From: simon white 
Subject: Re: Spliced songs;

Paul Payton wrote:
> Not the only one - I believe it was Little Richard's "Slippin' 
> and Slidin'" (or possibly "Jenny Jenny") about which the same 
> thing was true some eight or ten years earlier. Recorded on tour 
> at a radio station, they only had about 1:20 of original material, 
> so they snipped and spliced more verses and instrumental breaks 
> into another minute-plus for release.

It's "Keep A Knockin'" which was spliced together from a radio 
recording and there is an unreleased [at the time] verse which has 
the line "I'm drinkin gin and you can't come in" . " Ooh My Soul" 
was recorded at the same time as was "Bip Bop Bip" by Pretty Boy 
[Don Covay]. I have a tape with the title listed as "Keep A Knodkin" 
which, as we all know ,everyone should. You never know when you'll 
need one.

"Jenny Jenny" was indeed spliced too but was a studio recording. 
"Slippin' And Slidin'" was a straight take.

Incidently, I believe we have someone here on list who had an 
involvement in the recording of Richard's Stan Shulman, Tommy  
Boyce and Richard Hartley produced, '77 recorded and '78 released 
version of "Send Me Some Loving" which has Spectoresque overtones.

And finally, can I make an appeal to David Ponak for the release 
of Richards lost 1972 Reprise album?



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Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:23:12 -0000
   From: Jake 
Subject: Stereo - How Vile.

One thing that has always got my goat is - when are EMI (or 
whoever it is nowadays) going to release the Beatles catalogue 
in mono?

Those records patently DO NOT WORK IN STEREO.

Jake



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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:14:15 +0000
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Re: Symphonic Mike Love

> Following in Brian's footsteps, Mike Love and his "Beach Boys"
> will be performing with the Pittsburgh Symphony on July 2nd at
> Heinz Hall. I won't be there...

I believe this would mean his tubist (tubaist?) for the occasion 
would be Sumner Erickson - Roky's younger brother and patron.

--Phil Milstein



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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:12:46 -0400
   From: MIkey 
Subject: Re: Stereo - How Vile.

Jake: 
> One thing that has always got my goat is - when are EMI (or 
> whoever it is nowadays) going to release the Beatles catalogue
> in mono?
> Those records patently DO NOT WORK IN STEREO.


Jake, EMI's CDs of the First FOUR Beatles LPs are 100% Mono, so 
I'm not sure what you mean. 

Your Friend,

Mikey



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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:20:52 +0000
   From: Phil Milstein 
Subject: Re: Spliced songs;

simon white wrote:
> It's "Keep A Knockin'" which was spliced together from a radio
> recording and there is an unreleased [at the time] verse which 
> has the line "I'm drinkin gin and you can't come in" . "

This would explain the strange speed "burp" in the last third or 
so of that record. I've never been able to fathom its origin as 
due to anything other than someone's hand inadvertently brushing 
the outgoing (or whatever the opposite of "takeup" is) reel as the 
master tape played, but couldn't figure out what a hand would be 
doing in that vicinity during the critical moment in the first place. 
Learning now that that part of the record was a splicejob does seem 
to suggest such a possibility after all.

--Phil Milstein



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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:33:01 -0400
   From: Mikey 
Subject: Re: Keep On Singing

Because I started this whole shebang about "Keep On Dancing", 
I decided to give my CD a spin and re-listen.

Guess what? I dont believe the story about the song being too short, 
with the splice theory.

Here's why:

1)The "fade out" part, if it were really the "original" end of 
the song, is not long enough to be a real ending!!

As it's fading out, crank the volume and listen. They only play 
the organ riff a paltry THREE times, then they come to a complete 
and gentle STOP.  If that had been the real ending, it would have 
GONE ON A LOT longer, as every record did back then. They didn't 
create the stop with the fade out so I'm convinced that Chips Moman 
dictated that arrangement to the band  exactly how its on the record. 
I don't believe they spliced the beginning back on, theres no extra 
hiss there, and there would have been because that tape segment would 
have been a COPY of the beginning, and would have been second generation. 
Nope, they played it all!!!

Hope I havent bored anyone, but "Keep On Dancing" is one of my favorite 
records. 

Your Friend,

Mikey



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Message: 11
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:43:14 -0000
   From: Jake 
Subject: Re: Stereo - How Vile.

> Jake, EMI's CDs of the First FOUR Beatles LPs are 100% Mono, 
> so I'm not sure what you mean. 

Oh, is that right? - My apologies - they must have done it while 
I was looking the other way.

I heard an original mono Pepper a while ago which was 
something of a revelation (at least to me), by the way.

Jake



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Message: 12
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:33:08 -0000
   From: Billy G Spradlin 
Subject: Re: fake-outs

Phil:
> I've heard remixes, and album versions that shorten my life, but is 
> there a version that gets past 33?


The bonus CD of the "Good Vibrations" box (is this now OOP?), has a 
split-track stereo mix of "When I Grow Up.." that isn't faded, and 
the group gets to "35" here.  Brian starts messing up right after 33 
and I bet thats why they faded early. I always thought it faded much 
too soon.

I've played it to Musica. The nice thing about this version is 
you can listen to vocals -or- backing track by using your balance 
control on your Mp3 player.

I still love that song too - one of my favorite BB's tracks. I wish 
that fade was longer so they could have gotten up to "60". :-)


Billy



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Message: 13
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:48:38 -0000
   From: Billy G Spradlin 
Subject: Re: Stereo - How Vile.

Jake: 
> One thing that has always got my goat is - when are EMI (or 
> whoever it is nowadays) going to release the Beatles catalogue
> in mono?
> Those records patently DO NOT WORK IN STEREO.

One of my least favorite stereo Beatles tracks is "I Want to Hold 
Your Hand"...there is some guitar "noodling" by George at the intro 
on the right channel, and it just annoys the heck outta me. 

Luckily Capitol released a 3 inch mini CD with it and "This Boy" in 
mono back in the early 90's. The noodling is "buried" in the mono mix 
plus the whole track is nicely valved compressed for a punchy sound. 

If you dig around, there are bootlegs of the mono mixes but all of 
them are from vinyl. There was even a "The Capitol Versions" 

I wish Beatles Inc, would re-issue the entire catalog again with 20 
Super Bit mastering, liner notes, lyrics, session notes and BOTH the 
Mono/Stereo mixes. They have have reissued thier solo albums many 
times with better mastering/packaging. Theres a huge cash cow waiting 
to be milked.

The 80's CD's are showing thier age, tape hiss, drop outs, no extra 
liner notes, except for the excellent job on Sgt Peppers and Past 
Masters 1 & 2. Some people like George Martin's remixes of "Help" 
and "Rubber Soul" but I would prefer the original stereo mixes the 
next go-around.

BTW is it true the early Rolling Stones Decca (London in the USA) 
catalog is being remastered again? 'Bout Time!




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Message: 14
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:59:31 -0500
   From: Nick Archer 
Subject: Re: fake-outs

Has anyone mentioned the Rascals' "Good Lovin"?

Nick Archer

Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at
http://www.live365.com/stations/289419





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Message: 15
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:58:44 +0100
   From: Ken Silverwood 
Subject: RE: Fake Endings

Hi All,

Can I slip in a mention for Del Shannon's stonking revival of 
"Do You Wanna Dance" to add to the false ending list.

                           Regards
                               Ken On The West Coast



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Message: 16
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:41:12 -0500
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Re: Keep On Dancing

Hi Mikey,

You said Keep On Dancing is one of your favorite songs--here's a story:

The Gentrys performed that song on the Amateur Hour TV show several weeks
before it was a hit.  I remember watching the program.  I'm pretty sure
they won (three or four acts performed; the audience determined the
winner by the intensity of their applause and cheering).  And I feel sure
they came to a stop and then started again when they performed on
TV--probably before they ever cut the song as a record?

---Dan



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Message: 17
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:19:01 -0700
   From: gregg luvoxx 
Subject: RE: Fake Endings

Ken Silverwood:
> Can I slip in a mention for Del Shannon's stonking revival of 
> "Do You Wanna Dance" to add to the false ending list.

... and The McCoys version of 'C'mon Lets Go



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Message: 18
   Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:20:09 -0400
   From: David Ponak 
Subject: The Liquid Room 6/16/02

The Liquid Room, (usually) hosted by David Ponak (me), airs 
every Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on 90.7FM KPFK 
Los Angeles, as well as streaming at http://kpfk.org. 

LA residents, don't forget this cool show tomorrow night:

Transistor Lounge/Saturdays In The Park present:
Goldenboy & The Ray Makers with DJ's Matthew Semancik, DJ Santo 
& Javier Natureboy
Saturday June 22, 2002
The Echo, 1822 Sunset Blvd. (213 413 8200)


The Liquid Room 6/16/02

1.The Association/Come On In
Birthday (WB)

2.Belle & Sebastion/Scooby Driver
Storytelling (Matador)

3.Jean Jacques Perry/EVA (Fatboy Slim Remix)
The Best Of Moog (Loud)

4.Marie Laforet/Paint In Black (in French)
Femmes De Paris

5.Papa Byrd/Mai Tai
The Many Moods Of Papa Byrd (Transistor)

6.Isaac Hayes/Breakthrough
Truck Turner (soundtrack) (Stax)

7.Ursula 1000/Tigerbeat
Kinda Kinky (ESL)

8.Dusty Springfield/I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten
Silver Collection (Phillips)

9.PuffyAmiYumi/Sign Of Love (Captain Funk Remix)
An Illustrated History Of... (Bar/None)

10.Jacques Dutronc/Le Responsable
CQ (soundrack) (Emperor Norton)

11.2 Many DJs: ELP Peter Gunn/Basment Jaxx Where's Your Head At
Too Many DJs (Soulwax)

12.Millie/My Boy Lollipop
The Story Of Jamaican Music

13.Roudoudou/Funky Bikini
Just A Place In The Sun (Virgin-France)

14.Blossom Dearie/Charade
May I Come In? (Capitol)

15.Cornelius/Brazil
Point (Matador)

16.James Last/Voodoo Lady Love
Voodoo Party (Polydor)

17.Margo Guryan/Most Of My Life
25 Demos (Franklin Castle)

18.High Llamas/The Dutchman
Gideon Gaye (V2)

19.Randy Newman/Simon Smith And The Amazing Dancing Bear
Sail Away (Rhino/WB)

20.Bjork/It's Not Up To You
Vespertine (Elektra)

21.The Ray Makers/What Would You Like To Play
7" single (Transistor)

22.Brute Force/In Jim's Garage
Confections Of Love (Columbia)

23.Groove Armada/Edge Hill
Goodbye Country (Hello Nightclub) (Jive)

24.The Match/Through Spray Colored Glasses
A Different Light (RCA)

25.The Flaming Lips/Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots Part One
Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots (WB)

26.Al Kooper/Making Plans For Nigel
Rare/Well Done (Columbia/Legacy)

27.XTC/The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul
Skylarking (Virgin)

28.Montage/Desiree
Montage (Sundazed)

29.Pulp/Bad Cover Version
We Love Life (Island-UK)

30.Peter Thomas/Angels Who Burn Their ings
Peter Scores (Diggler-Germany)

31.Linus Of Hollywood/Say Hello To Another Goodbye
Your Favorite Record (Franklin Castle)

32.Roger Nichols & Paul Williams/We've Only Just Begun
We've Only Just Begun: The Songs Of Roger Nichols & Paul Williams
(Universal-Japan)

33.Craig Armstrong (w/David McAlmont)/Snow
As If To Nothing (Astralwerks)

34.Nina Simone/To Love Somebody
The Very Best Of Nina Simone (BMG)

35.Grace Jones/I've Done It Again
Private Life (Island)

36.The Pearlfishers/Across The Milky Way
Across The Milky Way (Marina-Germany)

37.Scott Walker/It's Raining Today
Scott 3 (Phillips-UK)

38.Beachwood Sparks/By Your Side
Once We Were Trees (Sub Pop)

39.Seksu Roba/Intersexual Overdrive
Les Chansons De Perverts (Crippled Dick Hot Wax)

40.Rezillos/Flying Saucer Attack
Can't Stand The Rezillos (Sire)

41.Donovan/Wear Your Love Like Heaven
Troubador (Epic)

42.Mina/Desktop
A to B (Bungalow-Germany)

43.The Cryan Shames/Last Train To California
Synthesis (Sundazed)

44.Paul Williams/Morning I'll Be Moving On
Someday Man (Reprise)



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