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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Carol Connors/Larry Finnegan
From: Stephen M.H. Braitman
2. Re: American Dreams...
From: Louise Posnick
3. A cry for help to Boettcher buffs
From: galarbui
4. Re: American Dreams
From: Jimmy
5. Re: Carol Connors? and a heartfelt word of appreciation
From: David A. Young
6. Re: Carol Connors/Larry Finnegan
From: Frank
7. Re: American Dreams...
From: Leonardo
8. Flowerpot Men
From: Leonardo Flores
9. Re: American Dreams...
From: Louise Posnick
10. Re: Flowerpot Men
From: Mark Frumento
11. American Dreams
From: Robert Beason
12. Re: 60's garage (teenage) songs
From: Don Underwood
13. Re: A cry for help to Boettcher buffs
From: Mikey
14. Re: A cry for help to Boettcher buffs
From: Buddy Love
15. Re: American Dreams
From: louise posnick
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:53:03 -0700
From: Stephen M.H. Braitman
Subject: Re: Carol Connors/Larry Finnegan
Dan Hughes:
> Is the Carol Collins "Dear One" the same song that
> Larry Finnegan took to #11 in 1962?
I can't say for certain since I don't have access to
either record (and the writer credits), but since Carol
mostly survived as a writer for other people, there is a
strong likelihood it is the same song.
Stephen
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:54:43 -0700
From: Louise Posnick
Subject: Re: American Dreams...
As a 54 year old woman who has a 35 year old son, I resent some of
what is being said here. Television is television, and it will be
only so real about the times and lives of those of us who were
there... I was going to be on American Bandstand once, but never
got there...you are listening to Marvin Gaye..is that not nostalgia?
It seems that you have two things going here at the same time...you
do like the oldies, but not the mistakes made by those who make the
shows about the times of the oldies...and you seem to want an end of
memories, except for the ones you want to remember, like Motown.....
for our kids growing up now, isn't nostalgia and remembrance of a
very important time in our history, the '60s, better than REAL TV,
watching people dive into spider filled pits or eat disgusting
animal parts? If one wants the exact time lines for the music, there
are plenty of shows on PBS and Bravo applauding those music years
with documentary films and footage...prime time is always going to
take license and make mistakes and embelish... but at least it gives
our youth SOME idea of what was happening...and hippies were not all
bad you know...thousands of us marched on Washington to help in the
Civil Rights movement and protest the Vietnam War, where I lost some
important folk in my life....if it wasn't for nostalgia and some of
us keeping it alive through the media somehow, no matter how good or
bad, you might be listening, only to what is on your commercial radio
right now, and not listening to Marvin Gaye..he would say that his
role in the 60s music scene should be remembered, and put on film...
sometimes just a song on a TV show might make a kid curious about that
great music and get interested...and that is what keeps it going...so
although I agree these shows can be full of cliches and such, these
cliches were born of my generation and many in my generation
perpetrated the idea that the Beatles were NOT the end all of our
great American musics, being rock, soul, blues, and jazz....that the
King of Rock was not really Elvis, but Chuck Berry, and that that we
want to hear the music over and over again, so why not on some hokey
tv shows....better music than bug parts.....so enjoy Marvin and keep
in mind that you are being NOSTALGIC....and by the way, I knew
Hendrix when he had his LadyLand studio in NY, and although we didn't
have BEACH parties, we partied...so don't knock it unless you know it
.....and don't you wish you were there!!! Be a little kinder to my
generation....you will hopefully be there some day my friend...
Louise Posnick
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:34:13 -0000
From: galarbui
Subject: A cry for help to Boettcher buffs
Greetings,
I have a very unusual request. Could an aficionado or scholar of
60's Californian Sunshine psychedelia please tell of any bands of
that or any other period (though probably that) that sing harmony in
that bouncy, cheerful, sparkling, but always somehow wistful,
'Flipper theme tune' sort of way. It's the musical sound I love most
in the world.
I'll be more specific and give examples. The chorus from the Sandy
Salisbury Ballroom track, 'Magic Time'; the chorus or bridge from
Lee Malory's Millennium track 'I'm With You' (where it goes "There
is magic in your eyes when you are near me"); the bit at the end of
Dennis Wilson's 'Little Bird' (where it goes "Little bird flew down
and sang a sau- ong to me")
If anyone knows of any bands that favour this style of harmonising,
please inform me. Eternity's Children possibly? I've read great
things about them inasmuch as they were compared favourably to Sandy
Salisbury. Thank you
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:34:27 -0400
From: Jimmy
Subject: Re: American Dreams
Dave Swanson:
Re American Dreams... totally in agreement. And what gets me are the
hairstyles. Why does practically everyone else go casual, and then
they stick Mom in that sprayed flip (which, continuity wise, doesn't
even look the same from moment to moment). 1963 was about hairspray,
hot rollers, and Gunite-processed beehives. And they shoulda had
Bridget Fonda do Lesley Gore. ; )
Like you say... I fear it's a case of "the details don't really
matter". YIKES! Then why bother? And, I wish they'd started in 1961
instead of late 1963... the early 60s effectively died on 11/22/63...
a mourning period of two months' duration followed... and then all
hell broke loose with the dawn of the SIXTIES.
Just my ramblings on a sultry Florida Wednesday morning. Please put
your seat backs into the upright position for landing.
==Jimmy==
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:51:28 +0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Re: Carol Connors? and a heartfelt word of appreciation
As far as I know, the only thing missing from Stephen Braitman's
accounting of Carol Connors's recorded legacy is her contribution
(as Carol Connors) to the sountrack LP for the movie "A Swingin'
Summer" on HBR 8500, "Swingin' Summer."
It's been a long time since I felt I had anything to add to
Spectropop, but reading the digests and visiting the site continue
to be among the high points of any given day, and I just wanted to
take a moment to express my sincere appreciation for what we have
here. I miss my friend Page/Jamie, but I know he'd be pleased with
the way Spectropop continues to thrive, evolve, and grow, both in
numbers and in depth.
On and off list, I've interacted with the coolest, kindest, and
smartest people in the world here. I've made trades and friendships
that I never would have dreamed possible, happy to help others when
I could and thrilled when others were able to assist me in some
arcane quest.
I acknowledge, and I'm sure Team Spectropop would demurely point out
if I didn't, that the members define the group and breathe life into
it, but I also want to give the admin team their props, especially
in the post-Page era, for continuing to expand the resource pages,
not only keeping the vision alive but expanding on it exponentially.
Every time I visit the site, I'm literally flabbergasted by the
amount of ground it covers and the quality of the assembled
reportage, as well as its presentation.
Thank you, guys, for everything. I for one am guilty of taking
advantage of all that's here without sufficiently expressing my
gratitude, and for one second I'd like to rectify that and just say
a most sincere "thank you." Your hard work makes my world a much
happier place.
David A. Young
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:09:45 +0200
From: Frank
Subject: Re: Carol Connors/Larry Finnegan
Dan Hughes:
> Is the Carol Collins "Dear One" the same song that
> Larry Finnegan took to #11 in 1962?
I have the Larry Finnegan record. "Dear One" is credited
to Finnegan and Finneran (!!).
Frank
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:46:45 -0000
From: Leonardo
Subject: Re: American Dreams...
Louise:
> prime time is always going to take license and make
> mistakes and embelish...
From a Historian and a Video Producers point of view
there should be no reason to change and embelish on
events as the events happened as they did and it's
very disrespectful of the the people who lived it.
A little basic research doesn't hurt.
One wouldn't go to a Civil War reenactment dressed up
as a WWII GI, it would be silly. Sure people would be
exposed to it but that still doesn't make it right.
Everybody going to have a different idea of what the 60s
represented. All I'm saying is that things could be better.
Let's talk about the music...
Cheers,
Leonardo
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:54:17 -0000
From: Leonardo Flores
Subject: Flowerpot Men
Thanks for those who help me pick out my Flowerpot Men CD.
Does anybody have any opinions on the Two-fer CD that
has the second and third LPs.
Thanks
Leonardo Flores
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:08:34 -0000
From: Louise Posnick
Subject: Re: American Dreams...
Dear Leonardo
I do not think that there is any willful disrespect
paid to those of us who lived the 60s - yes, lots of
research could and should be done (and is done), but
I think your analogy of wrong war uniforms is a bit
dramatic.. we are talking about music - the universal
peacemaker, so how important is the year?? As a singer
of that era, if someone wrote that I recorded in 1964
instead of 1965, I think it would not lessen the worth
of the music or make it silly..in fact, it is sometimes
so hard to get the facts that it might not be worth it to
do a show like this if it were micromanaged to the most
correct vintage...I understand your point of view and don't
nescessarily disagree; if this were a book or even a movie
documentary with wrong data and time lines...but it is just
a metaphor for the times and I wish to be more light-hearted
about it and let it stand in place of trash T.V. - at least
it says something to our youth who need to know who we were
as now we are their parents and grandparents. Yes, things
could be better and more exact, but we live in a world of
sound bites, so the fact that someone is paying attention
to this place in time, enough to put it on prime time, is a
start...it won't hurt the truth...it is a caricature, not an
insult, at least from my point of view..the music is the music
is the music...
regards,
Louise
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:33:56 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Flowerpot Men
Leonardo Flores wrote:
> Thanks for those who help me pick out my Flowerpot Men CD.
>
> Does anybody have any opinions on the Two-fer CD that
> has the second and third LPs.
If you mean "Peace Album" and "Past Imperfect"... I do!
They are wonderful, beautiful albums full of music that
will surprise you if you've only heard the "best of.."
comps. While a bunch of the tracks have seen the light
of day on various CDs, in the context of the LP, as
John Carter intended, them they really shine.
Both LPs were never released.
Get it! and try to find the Stamford Bridge 2-fer if
you can. It was on "See For Miles" a few years back.
Now out of print but many GREAT tracks.
Also there is a nice LP on Tenth Planet that has a
few unreleased tracks. It's called "Mid-Summer Dreaming".
I could go on, but I won't.
Mark
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 21:04:55 +0000
From: Robert Beason
Subject: American Dreams
Normally, I'm not a defender of TV, but when the trashing
of "American Dreams" began, I felt I had to write a post
in defense of the show.
Granted, it's not Great Art — it's
a soap-opera with period music and fashions. Take it on
those terms and it's quite enjoyable. Complaining that
the show gets hairstyles wrong or that songs are presented
out of historical sequence is nitpicking. Memories are
selective, and what you remember about the '60s isn't
necessarily what others remember, or what was important
about that time in history. It's more important to get the
emotions right than the details, and this show does, more
often than not.
The grief all Americans shared over the assassination of
JFK is not a "cliché" — it's something that everyone who
was around at the time experienced. Trying to do a show
about the '60s without touching on that would be like trying
to do a show about the '40s without mentioning Pearl Harbor,
D-Day or the Holocaust.
As far as music anachronisms, hey, let's face it — the '60s
have been over for more than 30 years, and each year there
are fewer and fewer people who remember which songs came
out in '63 as opposed to '64 and even fewer to whom it's
important. The choice of music used in a period show is
always going to be dictated first by what's available to
the filmmakers, second by what works artistically in a
given scene and third by historical accuracy. It would be
nice if filmmakers paid strict attention to what was on the
charts in a given month and used time-and-location-correct
airchecks for scenes in which characters are listening to
the radio, but realistically, it ain't gonna happen. The
important thing is that through this show, a new generation
is being exposed to the music we all love. As Louise put it,
would you prefer another "reality" show?
Bob Beason
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:08:44 EDT
From: Don Underwood
Subject: Re: 60's garage (teenage) songs
I have just got my dang computer back on line, and see that I missed
out on the fascinating garage band discusions as they happened. I
am sorry if this note is one too many, but many of the tunes that I
heard during my high schol years of '66 to '70 were not mentioned.
I was in HS in Hawthorne, Ca and spend a LOT of time listening to the
local young groups. Not only in garages at practices, but at Drop-In
dances, which were weekly at high schools & community centers, etc.
We even had sudent assemblies to showcase local groups from our school
and local schools. I bet this is rare now, but it was a great time to
be in HS. "Battle of the Band" contests were a big fad in So Cal in
the early 60's. Even tho our cross town rival school was Hawthorne
High, where the Beach Boys had recently graduated, few bands attemted
surf music classics because these instrumentals are beyond the
technique of most any 15 or 16 tear old beginning player. Also, Motown
was very, very big at school, but the arragements were so sophisticated
it was intimidating to cover most of the tunes. For some reason
Beatles/Stones and most invasion songs were not covered enen tho radio
played a lot of the hits. The local bands styled themselves after
groups such as Terry Knight & the Pack and Mitch Ryder more than
anything else.
Here are some of the Rock "n" Soul and Rock "n" Roll songs that I
heard a lot during this time:
Little Latin Lupelu
Devil with a Blue Dress
Land of a 1000 Dances (a must)
Mustang Sally (most often heard song)
Liar Liar
Farmer John (copy the Premiers version)
Mr. Moto (the Belairs)
96 Tears (showpiece for the organ player)
Hey Joe (fast like Love/Leaves played it)
Dirty Water
Build Me Up Buttercup (the Foundations-huge song in Hawthorne)
Night Train (for the bands with a horn or two)
Mister Your're a Better Man Than I (one of the few British or
protest songs that everone seemed to love)
Time Won't Let Me (so popular we hired the Outsiders for our
1969 prom)
By 1969 the soul type bands were few, and the rockish bands were
trying to play jams on Born on the Bayou and In-a Gadda-Da-Vida,
so that spelled the end of decent garage bands. The '70's must have
been worse---is a bunch of 16 year olds going put together covers of
Yes, or Genesis, or ELP, or Journey? If they could, would it be fun?
Today there are more garage bands then ever before, and most play
Punk, and even do a lot of originals.
Don Underwood
Redondo Beach
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:46:01 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: A cry for help to Boettcher buffs
galarbui:
> ...please tell of any bands of that or any other period (though
> probably that) that sing harmony in that bouncy, cheerful,
> sparkling, but always somehow wistful, 'Flipper theme tune' sort
> of way.
>>>.hard to match exactly, but "The Arbors" (best known for "a
Symphony For susan" are pretty much in that vien. There is also a
greatest hits Cd from them out. I have it and its great. Taragon,
I think.
Your Friend,
Mikey
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:49:44 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
From: Buddy Love
Subject: Re: A cry for help to Boettcher buffs
Greetings,
I have a very unusual request. Could an aficionado or scholar of
60's Californian Sunshine psychedelia please tell of any bands of
that or any other period (though probably that) that sing harmony in
that bouncy, cheerful, sparkling, but always somehow wistful,
'Flipper theme tune' sort of way. It's the musical sound I love most
in the world.
I'll be more specific and give examples. The chorus from the Sandy
Salisbury Ballroom track, 'Magic Time'; the chorus or bridge from
Lee Malory's Millennium track 'I'm With You' (where it goes "There
is magic in your eyes when you are near me"); the bit at the end of
Dennis Wilson's 'Little Bird' (where it goes "Little bird flew down
and sang a sau- ong to me")
If anyone knows of any bands that favour this style of harmonising,
please inform me. Eternity's Children possibly? I've read great
things about them inasmuch as they were compared favourably to Sandy
Salisbury. Thank you
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:28:22 -0700
From: louise posnick
Subject: Re: American Dreams
Bob Beason:
> .....The important thing is that through this show, a new generation
> is being exposed to the music we all love. As Louise put it, would
> you prefer another "reality" show?
Thanks for that, Bob....Louise
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