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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy
From: Eric Charge
2. Exotica
From: Doc Rock
3. Re: France Gall
From: Mikey
4. Re: The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy
From: David Bell
5. Re: Jerry Ganey & the Clouds
From: Mick Patrick
6. Re: "From The Inside"
From: Artie Wayne
7. Re: "Then He Kissed Me"
From: Guy Lawrence
8. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
From: Phil Chapman
9. Re: Gamma Goochee
From: Phil Milstein
10. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
From: Artie Wayne
11. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
From: Kingsley Abbott
12. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
From: Mick Patrick
13. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
From: Mick Patrick
14. Boys Cry
From: Phil Chapman
15. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
From: Mike edwards
16. 60s singers
From: Alan Gordon
17. Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US origina...
From: Paul Richards
18. Art for Artie's sake
From: David A. Young
19. U.S. songs, no original U.S. record/3000 miles
From: Ian Chapman
20. Re: Songs by US songwriters.......
From: Ian Chapman
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:06:25 -0000
From: Eric Charge
Subject: The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy
Were my old eyes deceiving me, or did I spot the name Doug Morris
on here a week or two back?
THE one perfect record in my humble collection is the Chiffons'
"Sweet Talkin' Guy". It has thrilled me right from the time, as
a schoolkid, I organised the kids in class to sing the different
backing vocal parts at break times. The record always sounds fresh
and dynamic.
If Spectropop were able to give out awards for THE most perfect
record for each of us on here, my choice would be for "Sweet
Talkin' Guy".
Now, if that really was THE Doug Morris on here, perhaps he could
share some background information on the making of this wonderful,
wonderful record.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:29:42 -0500
From: Doc Rock
Subject: Exotica
Si Warronker (Liberty founder) told me that he coined (made up) the
word Exotica for Martin Denny.
Doc
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:22:38 -0500
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: France Gall
Tom:
> I love that French girlpop by the likes of France Gall, Francoise
> Hardy and Claudine Longet. Very hard to find videoclips of them...
I have some Scopitones of Francoise Hardy.
Mikey
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:17:22 EST
From: David Bell
Subject: Re: The Chiffons' Sweet Talkin' Guy
I too love this 45 and am so looking forward to hearing Judy sing it
in a couple of weeks time in Buxton. Nobody can beat Lala's perfect
girl group voice but Shirley Alston and Judy Craig run her a very
close second. Have to agree though that this is one of those
"everything but the kitchen sink thrown in" type New York uptown
songs, albeit with a touch of the Motown thrown in for good measure.
I'd have been on the front row at school singing along with you on
this one!
David
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:04:23 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Jerry Ganey & the Clouds
Yours truly:
> ...I read recently that Jerry Ganey, of the Bill Medley-produced
> "Just A Fool" fame, was previously a member of the Clouds...
Peter Richmond http://freespace.virgin.net/p.richmond/ :
> I had always thought that Jerry Ganey was the featured vocalist
> on the Clouds records but have never been able to confirm this.
> In fact I have been unable to find any information on Jerry
> Ganey, which is surprising as he has two massive Northern Soul
> anthems in "Just A Fool" and "You Don't Love Me". Where did you
> read this Mick?
Peter, I read about the Clouds in L.A. R&B Vocal Groups by Steve
Propes & Galen Gart (Big Nickel Publications, 2001). You might
remember me banging on (and on) about this tome some months ago.
Check out the website: http://www.lavocalgroups.com
The Clouds are just one of hundreds of outfits featured in this
great book. Group member Johnny Angel is interviewed. He gives the
line-up as: himself, Jerry Graney (note spelling), Little Perry and
two others named Larry and Dave. The writer credits of the song
"Darling I Love You" (see Discography below) are Coates, Ganey (note
spelling), Perry, Dowling and Croft.
Armed with LAR&BVG and other reference sources, I have attempted a
Clouds Discography. Of course, it's probable that not all of the 45s
listed below are by the same group.
THE CLOUDS:
Rock And Roll Boogie/I Do (Cobra 5001, 1956)
Darling I Love You/TV Mix Up (Round 1008, 1959)
Baby It's Me/All I Do Is Worry (Skylark 116 1961)
A Lovely Way To Spend An Evening/Say Hey Hey (Vous 1000, 1964)
My Tears Will Go Away/Night Owl (Medley 1001, 1964)
Visions/Magada Bus (Independence 82, 1968)
LITTLE SUNNY DAY & THE CLOUDS:
Baby Doll/Lou Ann (Tandem 7001, 1961)
DONNA DEE & THE CLOUDS:
Can't You See/The More I See Him ((Ramada 501, 1961)
"TV Mix Up" was a sequel to "Western Movies" by the Olympics.
Tandem was a West Coast label owned by Lee Hazlewood. I hope I've
been some help Pete. Can I go back to bed now please?!
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:32:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: "From The Inside"
Lindsay in Oz:
> Artie, you wrote a wonderful song called "From The Inside"...There's
> just one thing has always driven me nuts: there's a key line I've
> never been able to make out on this recording:
Lindsay.......Thank you ...Your'e very kind. Although " From the
Inside" was covered by Yvonne Elliman, Lynn Anderson and Cilla Black
.....the only version that was a hit [top ten Austrailia] was by
Marcia Hines. That song is very special to me......it was inspired
by my late grandmother. She was a big inspiration to me.....and when
things get tough I can still hear her say, "Go on now ........You
can do it.......It's only life.....There's nothin' to it!! Just the
seein' through it .....From the Inside".
regards,Artie Wayne
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:13:05 -0700
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: "Then He Kissed Me"
Country Paul wrote:
> Interesting discussion of the intro to "Then He Kissed Me." I always
> thought it to be an assortment of guitars. The same riff,
> incidentally, was stolen for the Four Coins' "Boys Cry" on Joy, 1964.
And, talking of perfect records, on "Chewy Chewy" by the Ohio Express
of course.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:28:41 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
> So, let's start a list of "songs by US songwriters for which there
> is no US original".
Here's a few that come to mind for which I don't know a US original:
That's All I Ever Want From You Baby (Greenwich-Barry)- Mike Berry
Come Back And Get This Loving Baby (Van McCoy) - The Chants
Live It Up (Leon Huff) - Dusty Springfield
I'll Try Anything (Mark Barkan-Vic Milrose) - Dusty Springfield
In The Middle Of Nowhere (Bea Verdi-Buddy Kaye) - Dusty Springfield
...I seem to remember Manfred Mann's "Pretty Flamingo" ended up being
the original of the Mark Barkan tune due to the song being banned in
the US?
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:14:13 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Gamma Goochee
Guy Lawrence wrote:
> I'd love to see the rarer Gamma Goochee tracks on Musica.
> I know it's miniscule but can somebody post the complete
> discography for the record?
As musica is a crowded space, please select one track (other
than the "title" song) from the list below, and I will
attempt to post it. More can be added later, again upon
specific request.
--Phil Milstein
GAMMA GOOCHEE DISCOGRAPHY:
Colpix 786: Gamma Goochee Himself -- (You Got) The Gamma
Goochee (wr. Mangiagli; pr. Boyce & Hart and Mangiagli) /
I'm Gonna Buy Me A Dog (wr. & pr. Boyce & Hart)
Colpix 804: Gamma Goochee Himself -- Sweet Violets (wr.
Cohen-Green) / I'm So Glad (She's My Little Girl) (wr. Boyce
& Hart; both arr. Gene Page; both pr. Boyce & Hart)
MGM K13874: Gamma Goochee -- Everybody's Somebody's Fool
(wr. Greenfield-Keller) / Booga-Looa (wr. Mangiagli; both
pr. Jack Keller)
also by John Mangiagli:
Crest 1058: Johnny Donn with The Jazzrockers -- Smog / What
Happened Last Night (both wr. Johnny Donn)
?: Johnny Knight -- ?
?: Johnny Marlowe -- ?
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:51:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Artie Wayne
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
> ...Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
Mike.....This will be an interesting subject to research. Off the top
of my head there's Mark Barkan's "Pretty Flamingo".....the Magic
Lanterns were the first to cut my song "Excuse me baby" [a hit in the
UK]....and I wrote "Somewhere my girl is waiting" directly for the
Troggs...which was banned and pulled from the market 3 days after it
was released as a single in the UK.
regards,Artie Wayne
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:26:43 -0000
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
Gary Usher's Hondells cut a version of "Show Me Girl" which ended up
as a B-side of their version of "Cheryl's Going Home" on Mercury
72626. They recorded it on June 28th 1966 between 1400 and 1730 hours
at Western. Obviously not an original version, since Herman's was two
years earlier, but to my ears better and worth searching out - best
done via the excellent ATM Records in Germany whose four volumes of
Hondells CDs were researched and annotated by Stephen McParland. I
can't recall an origianl US version, tho there must have at least been
a good CK demo or somesuch for Mickie Most to work from. Now that's
one I'd like to hear!
Kingsley Abbott
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:46:38 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original
record
Good thread, but there was a US version of Goffin/King's "Stage Door".
It was by Peter James on Reprise 0383, 1965. Fabulous song.
Good record too. As was the Tony Jackson rendition.
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:26:59 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
A few more for the list:
I'm Alive - The Hollies
(Clint Ballard)
Game Of Love - Wayne Fontana & the Mindbenders
(Clint Ballard)
Woe Is Me - Helen Shapiro
(Sharon Sheeley/Jackie DeShannon)
Forget About The Bad Things - Helen Shapiro
(Ora Mae Diamond/Jimmy Radcliffe)
The latter is one of the best Brit Girl records I EVER heard!
One suspects this thread has legs!
MICK PATRICK
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:01:25 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Boys Cry
Country Paul:
> The same riff [from "Then He Kissed Me"], incidentally, was
> stolen for the Four Coins' "Boys Cry" on Joy, 1964. 1:40 of
> pure Mersey sound from what had been more famous as a US
> middle-of-the-road close harmony group...
This must be the same Kaye/Scott tune that was a hit for Eden Kane
(aka Richard Sarstedt, brother of Peter and Robin) in the UK?
This is one of my favourite Spector-influenced tracks, and is a
rather dark sounding, Merseybeat hybrid. It's available on
"Eden Kane - All The Hits And More", Prestige - Elite CDSGP0241
http://www.prestige-elite.com/poprock.htm
I've played the first few bars to musica to give you the idea.
Avoid the CD "Well I Ask You" on Deram, these are insipid '90s
re-recordings.
Also played to musica is an obscure UK cover of "Boys Cry" in
full Spector style from the late 70s by The Distractions.
I'm keen to hear the Four Coins version, any chance of a play
to musica?
Phil
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:05:47 -0000
From: Mike edwards
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US original record
Spencer Leigh's notes that accompanied the Sequel CD,
"Some Other Guys" quote Tony Jackson as saying:
"Carole King sent me a demo on which she was playing the piano
and singing. We used an organ and had a classical-type of piano
break. It was a pleasant single."
Pleasant it is, but it is not the original. Mick Patrick just
pointed out to me that that honor belongs to Peter James on Reprise.
So that's one removed from the list. Hopefully members will send
in some more songs to replace it. That is songs written by US
songwriters for which a British recording was the original version.
An example is "Do The Freddie" - I was right about that one.
Mike
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:13:20 -0800
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: 60s singers
Billy G Spradlin:
> Along with the Turtles' Howard Kaylan, and The Raiders'
> Mark Lindsey, Mickey (Dolenz) was one the most underrated
> and best lead singers or any USA Band of the 60s.
Mickey, Howard and Mark, 03 of the best voices in rock.
I've never heard anybody but me say that... and when I do,
I get very weird looks.
As a bit of an aside: Any time my "younger" girlfriend hears
a Mickey Monkee song or a Grace Airplane song, she always asks
if it's Grace or Mickey. I had never thought they sounded
familiar... but there it is.
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:43:29 EST
From: Paul Richards
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters for which there is no US origina...
Kenny Young wrote & produced hits for UK artists: "Come Back
& Shake Me" for Clodagh Rodgers and "Sssingle Bed", "Imagine
Me, Imagine You" & "Only You Can" for the fabulous Fox. I think
he's American, he wrote "Under The Boardwalk" & "Captain Of
Your Ship" also.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:07:19 +0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Art for Artie's sake
Surprised that no one else has already done so, I'd like to
jump on the Artie Wayne Welcome Wagon with a mention of 1963's
"Where Does a Rock & Roll Singer Go?" written and recorded by
Artie on Liberty 55625.
Produced by Ed Silvers and arranged by Garry Sherman, the song
has always been, in my opinion, a companion piece to Barry Mann's
"Teenage Has-Been" from the year before (Artie's voice is actually
quite similar to Barry's), but much more fun. (In wondering "Where
does a rock 'n' roll singer go when his record's off the charts,"
Artie muses, "Does he sell i-i-i-ice cream with a dip-da-dip-da-
dip-dip of Peppermint Twist?")
The bright, punchy production and hooks simply scream Nevins-
Kirschner, even though neither they nor Aldon are present except
in spirit. I wish I were able to upload this for the group, but
I'm not there technologically; perhaps some other kind soul will
jump in, because this record captures the essence of Spectropop
so nicely.
Artie, did you release any other solo records, either under your
name or others?
David
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:34:12 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: U.S. songs, no original U.S. record/3000 miles
Out of interest, there was another U.S. version of "Stage Door"
by the Grads (who became the Sandpipers) on A&M, but it came a
year after the Peter James version (surely that was really P.J.
Proby, BTW?)
Similarly, there was a U.S. recording of "In The Middle Of
Nowhere" by Kellie Jackson on Columbia, (arranged and produced
by Charlie Calello) which seems to have appeared a year later
than Dusty's version.
Mikey, I spoke with Brian Hyland a couple of weeks ago after
one of his current UK shows, about the "Joker Went Wild"
album. He said both Leon Russell and Hal Blaine were on
it. He also said he'd read Hal's book.
Ian
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:45:04 -0000
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Re: Songs by US songwriters.......
Paul Richards wrote:
> Kenny Young wrote & produced hits for UK artists: "Come Back
> & Shake Me" for Clodagh Rodgers and "Sssingle Bed", "Imagine
> Me, Imagine You" & "Only You Can" for the fabulous Fox. I think
> he's American, he wrote "Under The Boardwalk" & "Captain Of
> Your Ship" also.
Kenny did indeed write all of those titles you mention, Paul,
but he was resident in the UK when he did the Clodagh Rodgers
and Fox songs. Not sure, but I think he still is.
Ian
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