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Spectropop - Digest Number 803
- From: Spectropop Group
- Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003
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Jamie LePage (1953-2002)
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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: What Is Rock & Roll
From: Richard Havers
2. Re: Soul and Inspiration
From: Richard Hattersley
3. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Ken Silverwood
4. Re: Faux Shangri-las
From: Mike Rashkow
5. Re: Dave Dee etc.
From: Mark Frumento
6. Re: Rock n Roll according to Wittgenstein!
From: Mike Rashkow
7. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Phil Milstein
8. Page sessions
From: Phil Milstein
9. Re: Faux Shangri-Las
From: Charles G. Hill
10. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Richard Tearle
11. Re: Telephone Songs / R'n'R
From: Tom Taber
12. Re: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson?
From: Jeffrey Glenn
13. Time-Life's "The Rock 'n' Roll Era"
From: Andrew Jones
14. Reparata & the Delrons' I'm Nobody's Baby Now
From: Robert
15. Plea to recording engineers / Soul and Inspiration
From: Stuart Miller
16. Re: Shirley Ellis
From: Elisabeth Kurtis
17. Re: Telephone Songs
From: James Botticelli
18. Re: Page sessions
From: Richard Havers
19. Re: Reparata & the Delrons' I'm Nobody's Baby Now
From: Ken Silverwood
20. Re: What Is Rock & Roll?
From: Mike Rashkow
21. Re: Shirley Ellis
From: David Bell
22. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Richard Williams
23. What would Tony Romeo think?
From: Emily
24. Re: Reparata & the Delrons'
From: Simon White
25. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Patrick Rands
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:27:14 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll
Tony wrote:
> Rock & Roll began in the early fifties and lasted through
> to the mid 60s and is a subset of Pop music.
Well, for sure Rock & Roll didn't start in the early 50s, at least the
sounds that we now call rock & roll. It may have been called rock &
roll music for the first time in 50s. Many credit Rocket 88 with being
the first rock & roll record.....it was not. Just go back to the 40s
and there are numerous records that can lay at least as strong a claim.
Interestingly the use of the word rock (and roll) in popular recording
goes back, at least, to the 1929 when Tampa Red's Hokum Jug Band cut
'My Daddy Rocks Me (With One Steady Roll). Tampa sings
My Man rocks me with one steady roll
It makes no difference if he’s hot or cold
When I looked at the clock, clock struck one.
I said honey oh let’s have some fun
But you rock me with one steady roll
.......sound familiar? Moving right along to 1945 and Wynonie Harris
records Around the Clock parts 1 &2
Sometimes I think I will, sometimes I think I won’t
Sometimes I believe I do, and then again I believe I won’t
Well I looked at the clock, the clock struck one
She said come on Daddy let’s have some fun
Yes we were rolling, yes we rolled a long time.
Was it coincidence, divine inspiration or a great memory? Well Chuck’s
memory was obviously working overtime when he cut, Reelin’ and Rockin’
in 1957.
Sometimes I will, then again I think I won’t
Sometimes I do, then again I think I don’t
Well I looked at my watch it was 9.21
Was at a rock n roll dance, having nothing but fun
We was reelin’ and rockin’, rollin’ ‘til the break of dawn.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:32:33 +0000
From: Richard Hattersley
Subject: Re: Soul and Inspiration
Stuart Miller:
> I have 3 copies of "Soul" on various Righteous Bros records
> and they all say produced by Bill Medley. It was their first
> single on Verve, I presume without Spector so it could have
> been that Medley fancied getting as close to what they had
> left as possible. And he couldn't have been more successful,
> although these days I do tend to cringe when Bobby does the
> monologue in the middle. But great, great talent, both of them,
> either individually or together. Check out the web site:
> http://www.righteousbrothers.com/Thanks Stuart.
For me, it's a shame he didn't stick with that production style. May
have given them some more hits as well. Although I do like their
version of "Man Without a Dream"
Richard
http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:41:51 -0800
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
Plus........Telephone (wont you ring) & Ronnie Call Me When You Get
A Chance by Shelley Fabares.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:15:49 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Faux Shangri-las
> Leader Of The Laundromat - The Detergents
My failing memory tells me that this was a Paul Vance written and
produced item with Ronnie Dante as the Detergents. Can someone confirm?
I know that Vance did several of these parody records. One had Johnny
Cymbal as lead singer. Does anyone have that title for me?
Rashkovsky
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 13:17:29 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Dave Dee etc.
Stuart Miller wrote:
> I thought after Dave Dee left and they were freed from the more
> restrictive path of their then producers and became more creative,
> that they turned out some excellent music which inevitably went
> largely unappreciated.
In case you don't know this, there is a boxed set of everything the
band did with and without Dave Dee. It's called "Boxed."
"Fresh Ear" the album without Dave Dee is really nice. Sort of a late
Hollies or Marvin Welch Farrar sound. In some cases they come to
close to Crosby Stills & Nash for my taste... but only on one or two
songs. And yes, I'd agree that the production style doesn't get in
the way. They never resort to sounding like a novelty act on "Fresh
Ear". "World" off that album is incredible.
There are a couple of nice songs done when Dave Dee came back. Among
them is "She's My Lady" which has a certain Phil Chapman as co-producer???
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:23:13 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Rock n Roll according to Wittgenstein!
Stratton Bearhart:
> some Spectropoppers may find Wittgenstein's resemblance theory in
> art helpful...
Wow, what hath God wrought--discussions of Wittgenstein on Spectropop!
Isn't he the guy who had a deli for a long time on 6th avenue and 49th
street?
I know it's only rock on rye, but I like it, I like it--yes I do.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:16:48 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
I hesitate to throw into the mix all the phone-number songs:
"Beechwood 4-5789," etc. There seem to be a great many of these.
--Phil M.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:43:37 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Page sessions
I have become very hungry for a compilation of Jimmy Page's session
work. I know one or two have trickled out over the years, but those
have unfortunately passed me by. Can anyone tip me to the top-level
details of any such comps? Eagerly awaiting a hearty dose of that
pipin' hot guitar,
--Phil M.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 08:58:21 -0600
From: Charles G. Hill
Subject: Re: Faux Shangri-Las
The Detergents took on a second Shangs tune, which I would love to find:
"I Can Never Eat Home Anymore". (And that's called hungry!)
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:21:07 -0000
From: Richard Tearle
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
How about:
Don't Hang Up - the Orlons
Telephone Line - ELO
Wichita Lineman - Glen Campbell
Telephone Man (?) - Meri Wilson
6-345789 - Wilson Pickett
Private Number - William Bell & Judy Clay
Hello, How Are you (forgotten who..was it 10cc?)
Hanging on the Telephone - Blondie
S'all I can think of off the top of me 'ed!
Cheers
Richard T
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:27:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Taber
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs / R'n'R
Dan Hughes wrote:
> Okay, gang, thinking caps on--what telephone song spent 3 weeks at
> # 2 in Billboard's Hot 100, and 14 weeks at # 1 on Billboard's
> country chart?
Did it have an answer song that was a hit too? (He'll Have to Stay)
Tom Taber, who adds "Rock and Roll" is a melting pot that encompasses
lots of ground - the greatest Rock and Roll song ever? "Sea Cruise"
by Frankie Ford. Elvis' first hit wasn't really r and r, but "My
Baby Left Me", treated as a B side, may be his most "r and r" r and r
song ever. I could go on and on, but the record-breaking 51 messages
I got overnight call me away.
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:24:03 -0800
From: Jeffrey Glenn
Subject: Re: Chris Lucey AKA Chris Ducey AKA Bobby Jameson?
Patrick;
> Speaking of the Chris and Craig Isha b/w I Need You, 45 on Capitol -
> are these songs available on cd? Does anyone have this 45? I'd love
> to hear it.
Patrick, "Isha" by Chris and Craig is now playing at musica. A great
early example of Eastern-tinged popsike written by the aforementioned
Chris Ducey and produced by none other than Spectropop fave Steve
Douglas (who I believe was a staff producer for Capitol at this time).
When space allows I'll play the flip "I Need You" to musica; it's
almost as good!
Jeff
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 11:59:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Jones
Subject: Time-Life's "The Rock 'n' Roll Era"
This is especially for those Spectropoppers who have subscribed to
Time-Life's "The Rock 'n' Roll Era" CDs or cassettes.
When my subscription began, I was told there'd be 40 volumes total. But
last summer, my subscription ended after only 34 volumes. When I asked
Time-Life what happened to the other six, they said they'd lost the
rights to the recordings therein and had to take them out of circulation.
However, they wouldn't tell me what those volumes were, and neither
would the Time-Life website.
Don't get me wrong, I'm satisfied with the 34 I've got, but I would still
like to know what the other six were, just in case I decide to search for
them. The catalog numbers of the missing six are: 2RNR-03; 2RNR-09;
2RNR-12; 2RNR-15; 2RNR-31; and 2RNR-34. If you still need more info,
contact me off-list and I'll tell you what CDs I do have. Thanks!
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:04:24 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Reparata & the Delrons' I'm Nobody's Baby Now
The S'pop Team wrote:
> Welcome to message #10,000
>
> To mark this occasion, your Team have played to musica
> three much-discussed tracks. Click this link......
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
> to choose from:
>
> Bonnie & The Treasures - Tell Me In The Sunlight
> Nino Tempo - Boys Town
> Reparata & The Delrons - I'm Nobody's Baby Now
>
> Enjoy!
Thanks for sharing Reparata and the Delron's "I'm Nobody's Baby Now"
with the world through musica. It's probably my favorite RATD's
single from my favorite girl group and sounds as good to me today as
it did on the day it was recorded.
In an attempt to tie Reparata and the Delrons to the already
existing "Telephone" thread, I pose the following question:
On what single was Reparata's voice actually recorded through a
telephone?
Robert
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:17:27 -0000
From: Stuart Miller
Subject: Plea to recording engineers / Soul and Inspiration
Imho, I think the ending to "Soul and Inspiration" by the Righteous
Brothers is one of the best endings to a pop record ever made. When
Bill Medley starts "ummmming" as they come towards the fade, it is
one of the sexiest sounds I've ever heard on a single, and I say that
despite the fact that when I last checked, I was still a member of
the male species. It positively sends a tremor right through me.
Whilst their moniker at the time of "Blue eyed soul" wouldn't stand
comparison today (with Bill you always knew it was a white man singing),
nevertheless you could understand where whomever gave them that name
was coming from. Check out his version of "Georgia".
And after Bill has stopped "ummmming", Bobby comes in with his falsetto
but by now his voice is disappearing fast as the fade comes in. On
some of the mixes I have, you get maybe another two or three seconds to
hear him spiral deliciously into the ether, and I've lost count of the
number of times I've had my ear to the speaker whilst listening to this,
trying to catch every last breath.
So, recording engineers, please bear us lunatics in mind when mixing
down what is obviously going to be a massive hit. Recognise that
virtually everybody that is drawn to a record will be hanging on for
every nuance and vocal inflection going. If you've got to end a record
in a fade, please consider us by dragging it out for as long as the
producer will let you. And if he won't let you, show him this e-mail,
please.
Stuart
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 18:45:05 -0000
From: Elisabeth Kurtis
Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis
> Three - six - nine,
> The goose drank wine,
> A Shirley Ellis CD review is now online!
> Clap, slap...errr......click here:
> http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/
A snappy and informative read (from that cool cat Phil Milstein, no
less!) - especially as it proves that ol' Shirl went far beyond "The
Name Game". It's definitely convinced me that I should head down to
Beatin' Rhythm to pick this cd up. Just goes to show the powers of
Spectropop persuasion!
Elisabeth x
p.s. What a shame, though, that her fabulous "Soul Time" wasn't also
a Congress release and couldn't be included - I adore that song! It
reminds me of my first northern soul nights in Toronto.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 14:14:29 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
(Daddy Daddy) Gotta Get A Phone In My Room - Dodie Stevens?
Operator - Light Drivers (soul)
Mr. Telephone Man - New Edition
Call Me - Chris Montez
BE4-5789 - Marvelettes
634-5789 - Wilson Pickett
Makin' Love On The Phone - (some early 80's chick)
Did My Baby Call? - Mad Lads
--
James Botticelli
Member: The Easy Rebellion
Will I get discovered before I get found out?
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:44:36 +0000
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Page sessions
Phil Milstein wrote:
> I have become very hungry for a compilation of Jimmy Page's session
> work.
There is a 2CD compilation on Castle/Sequel called 'Hip Young guitar
Slinger' (NEECD 486) which has masses of Jimmy P tracks. It includes
Carter-Lewis & the Southerners, First Gear, The Lancastrians, The
Factotums, Twice As Much, The Materminds and Les Fleur De Lys to name
but some.
Richard
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 20:25:20 -0800
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons' I'm Nobody's Baby Now
The S'pop Team wrote:
> Welcome to message #10,000. To mark this occasion, your Team have
> played to musica three much-discussed tracks. Click this link......
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ to choose
> from: Bonnie & The Treasures - Tell Me In The Sunlight, Nino Tempo
> - Boys Town, Reparata & The Delrons - I'm Nobody's Baby Now...
Richard:
> Thanks for sharing Reparata and the Delron's "I'm Nobody's Baby Now"
> with the world through musica. It's probably my favorite RATD's
> single from my favorite girl group and sounds as good to me today as
> it did on the day it was recorded. In an attempt to tie Reparata and
> the Delrons to the already existing "Telephone" thread, I pose the
> following question: On what single was Reparata's voice actually
> recorded through a telephone?
I'll go for "Captain Of Your Ship", sounds like a megaphone to me.
Ken On The West Coast
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:29:24 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll?
Richard Havers writes:
> .......sound familiar? Moving right along to 1945 and Wynonie Harris
> records Around the Clock parts 1 & 2...
I love your going back to 1929 for R&R inspiration. I remember Rocket
88 and I remember Wynonie Harris--the side that I remember best was
"Good Morning Judge".
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:52:24 EST
From: David Bell
Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis
Re: http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/
I love to read an eloquent review that inspires me to go and buy the
product. I can't think how I missed out on the Shirley Ellis CD in the
first place but that situation has now been rectified. From just
reading Elisabeth's (x) post, Shirley has sold 2 copies of her cd today!
I have to be honest and say that I did think of Shirley as being a one
hit wonder with The Name Game but know I realise my juvenile impression
of her was wrong. Thanks for correcting me on my misplaced opinion, Phil.
I also agree that her version of Stardust is a great version of a much
recorded song.
Whoever is responsible for illustrating Phil M's review with her picture
sleeves and particularly with the sheet music for The Puzzle Song has
produced a stunning display.
David.
P.S. "It'll never fly, Orville"...... That bloody green duck gets
everywhere (obscure reference for British readers only). I can already
hear the collective groans.
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 21:08:43 +0000
From: Richard Williams
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
Telephone songs? "He'll Have To Go" (in the Solomon Burke version,
preferably): "Put your sweet lips a little closer to the phone/Let's
pretend we're together, all alone/I'll tell the man to turn the
jukebox way down low/And you can tell your friend there with you/
He'll have to go..."
Richard Williams
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 21:08:57 -0000
From: Emily
Subject: What would Tony Romeo think?
What would Tony Romeo think? I don't know. Personally, I find making
jingles out of any pre-written music tacky. Especially when the
composer has no say in it. I say, write an original jingle for your
product. I found out about this on the CmonGetHappy.com message board,
a great Partridge Family tribute site. As a promotion for its new Berry
Burst Cheerios cereal, General Mills is holding a "Duet with David"
contest. Entrants must write a song about eating fruit with cereal to
the tune of "I Think I Love You," including the words "Cheerios,"
"Berry Burst" and "fruit" in their lyrics. The winner gets to perform
her or his opus with David Cassidy at the Mall of America on May 29,
2003.
Don't believe it? Go to: http://www.berryburstcheerios.com/contest.html
for details.
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:19:35 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Reparata & the Delrons'
> On what single was Reparata's voice actually recorded through a telephone?
Weather Forecast?
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:25:45 -0000
From: Patrick Rands
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
Can't forget the wonderful (and I think un-mentioned thus far) Kinks
song - Party Line. It has a ringing phone and a British voice
answering "Hello, who is this speaking??"
Nara Leao also has a song called Telfone - also done by Os Cariocas
and Walter Wanderley.
:Patrick
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