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There are 23 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Page sessions
From: James Botticelli
2. Re: Telephone / Superman Songs
From: Phil Milstein
3. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
4. Missing Time-Life titles
From: Charles G. Hill
5. Re: Jimmy Page sessions
From: Steve Harvey
6. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Steve Harvey
7. Re: Reparata on the line
From: Robert
8. The 5 Royales
From: Mike Rashkow
9. Re: Jimmy Page etc
From: Norman
10. Rock on Rye
From: Stratton Bearhart
11. Re: Telephone Songs
From: Eddy
12. Re: Telephone songs
From: Paul Woods
13. Re: Gary & The Hornets
From: Lapka Larry
14. Mark Wirtz
From: Dan Hughes
15. Re: Shirley Ellis
From: S'pop Team
16. Josie & the Pussycats
From: Stuffed Animal
17. Re: Detergents / Ronnie Dante
From: Laura Pinto
18. Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
From: Phil Chapman
19. Re: What Is Rock & Roll
From: Ken Silverwood
20. Re: What Is Rock & Roll?
From: Bob Rashkow
21. Re: Page sessions
From: Scott Swanson
22. Re: What Is Rock & Roll
From: Phil Milstein
23. Re: Even More Telephone Songs
From: Mark Frumento
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:24:29 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Page sessions
Phil Milstein wrote:
> I have become very hungry for a compilation of Jimmy Page's session
> work. I know one or two have trickled out over the years, but those
> have unfortunately passed me by. Can anyone tip me to the top-level
> details of any such comps? Eagerly awaiting a hearty dose of that
> pipin' hot guitar,
Phil, don't know of comps, but Big Jim Sullivan's Sitar CD on RPM (I think)
has some work he did with "Little" Jim Page. Noteworthy track: "Pageing
Sullivan". It's around.
JB
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:35:08 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Telephone / Superman Songs
Patrick Rands wrote:
> Can't forget the wonderful (and I think un-mentioned thus far)
> Kinks song - Party Line. It has a ringing phone and a British
> voice answering "Hello, who is this speaking??"
Making Ray, Dave & crew the first artists to qualify on both the
telephone and Superman lists!
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:59:55 -0000
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
The new Record of the Week now playing on Jack's
Home page http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
is The New Society "(I Prithee) Do Not As For Love" RCA. A
lot of votes for this and I'd guess it will be enjoyable to
many. Nice but I'd have voted for Rod! (If the free voting
Rod fan would like to get in touch, off-list I'll sort
something out.) Next week's vote should be interesting - one
of my favourite 45s, The Concords' "Should I Cry" - produced
by Feldman-Goldstein-Gottehrer - against The Fashions' "Baby
That's Me" - I'd like to know if anyone has any producer/
arranger information on this 45. Both records just credit
Nitzsche as co-writer with Jackie DeShannon. I've not included
many 'cover' versions of Jack Nitzsche's compositions (mainly
to save filling his discography with 100s of recordings of
"Needles And Pins") but these two are rather special.
If you missed the KHJ Radio jingles first time round,
#2 - The Blockbuster is now playing.
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/jacknitzscheradio.htm
Martin
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:56:46 -0600
From: Charles G. Hill
Subject: Missing Time-Life titles
Thus spake Andrew Jones:
> Don't get me wrong, I'm satisfied with the 34 I've got,
> but I would still like to know what the other six were,
> just in case I decide to search for them. The catalog
> numbers of the missing six are: 2RNR-03; 2RNR-09;
> 2RNR-12; 2RNR-15; 2RNR-31; and 2RNR-34. If you still need
> more info, contact me off-list and I'll tell you what CDs
> I do have. Thanks!
Thirty-four? Forty? So far as I know, there were _51_
titles issued in this series, and there may have been others.
All six listed as "missing" are single-artist compilations,
as follows:
03 - Beach Boys 1962-1967
09 - Everly Brothers 1957-1962
12 - Supremes 1963-1969
15 - Frankie Valli/Four Seasons 1962-1967
31 - Ricky Nelson 1957-1972
34 - Roy Orbison 1960-1965
I have all of these except the Orbison. There are two other
single-artist compilations, both devoted to Elvis (Elvis
Presley 1954-1961, #06, and Elvis the King 1954-1965, #25).
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:48:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Jimmy Page sessions
There was a double bootleg of Page sessions that I still have. It came
out on vinyl in the 80s. I think a semi-legit release came out on CD
and was available as an import. Some of the tunes on the double lp
didn't make it to the CD. I remember liking the tune "Get Aload of
This". I think a cover of "My Baby Left Me" was on it too.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:55:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
Department S's "Is Vic There".
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:36:40 -0000
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Reparata on the line
My poser:
> On what single was Reparata's voice actually recorded through a
> telephone?
Simon White:
> Weather Forecast?
Thanks to Ken on the West Coast and Simon for playing along.
Nice job, Simon. The spoken parts in Weather Forecast were recorded
through a phone. As I recall, Reparata sang those lyrics through a
pay phone in the hall outside the studio.
Robert
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:21:20 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: The 5 Royales
Will the circle be unbroken? Not.
I'm sure everyone who hasn't been sleeping under a rock knows this, but I
just discovered it and want to share this new found knowledge with
Spectropoppers just in case there are others who have also been asleep at the
switch.
The noted (that's an understatement) writer and producer of numerous Motown
hits, Clarence Paul was one of the original 5 Royales, R&B monsters of the
early 50's. Real name is Clarence Pauling.
Another member of the 5 Royales was Clarence's brother, the late Lowman
Pauling who has writer credit on Dedicated To The One Love, Baby Don't Do It,
Think---all major R&B hits of that era.
Some itch on my memory tells me Lowman Pauling also wrote an early Ray
Charles hit, and possibly a hit for The Clovers.
Now there's a group that deserves more notoriety and rememberance than they
seem to get. I mean they did the original One Mint Julep for heaven's sake.
For all I know, maybe that's the Lowman Pauling song I have in mind.
I'll take help on what those blank spots might be, from anyone who knows.
Thanks.
Anecdotally, Hank Ballard and The Midnighters were originally The Royals and
had some minor success with that name, but had to change because of the
conflict with the 5 Royales.
Looking for some more details about the Five Royals, I found this link which
is worth checking out: http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/The%20Artists.html
Rashkovsky
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:33:18 +1030
From: Norman
Subject: Re: Jimmy Page etc
re Jimmy Page sessions:
Carrying on the Normie Rowe thread, I believe Jimmy Page was included
in on his British sessions.
re Telephone Songs:
Okay, I will be the brave Aussie that puts forward Jimmy Little's
"Royal Telephone"!
Norman
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:47:03 -0000
From: Stratton Bearhart
Subject: Rock on Rye
Thank you Mike. I wondered what Wittgenstein did when he wasn't
philosophising.
On a serious note, I think the problem of how many kinds of music
come under the umbrella of 'rock n' roll' is inadvertantly dealt with
in the open concept theory...
And perhaps a simpler musicological approach might just point out as
in the case of all folk music/oral traditions that music transforms
over time. Blues music at source in the case of R&R.
Stratton Bearhart
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:18:22 +0100
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Telephone Songs
How about Donna by 10cc. I believe there's also a phone-bit on Pink
Floyd's The Wall.
Eddy
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:19:11 -0000
From: Paul Woods
Subject: Re: Telephone songs
My favourite: "Tell Her I'm Not Home" - Ike and Tina Turner.
Was that really Ike on the spoken lines on that song,
incidentally?
Paul Woods
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 11:30:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Lapka Larry
Subject: Re: Gary & The Hornets
On Gary and the Hornets, I have never seen a comprehensive
discography on their output, which I assume is almost wholly
their Smash singles from about 1966 to 1968. Can anybody help?
Larry Lapka
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:20:11 -0600
From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Mark Wirtz
May have been mentioned here before (likely), but while checking
out something else I came upon a nice review of Mark's CD:
http://www.shindig-magazine.com/reviews-oct2002-1.html
About the 4th review from the bottom of the page.
---Dan
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:33:13 -0000
From: S'pop Team
Subject: Re: Shirley Ellis
David Bell wrote:
> Re: http://www.spectropop.com/recommends/ ...Whoever is
> responsible for illustrating Phil M's review with her
> picture sleeves and particularly with the sheet music for
> The Puzzle Song has produced a stunning display.
Those pix do look great, don't they? But it's own-up time
here at S'pop Towers. A few of them were purloined from
another website. Take at look at their original location
at: http://www.geocities.com/marcapreguntas/shirley1.htm
You'll find it a very worthwhile click.
The S'pop Team
Spectropop: Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:48:06 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Josie & the Pussycats
The 28th issue of Cool And Strange Music! Magazine is out
now, featuring the true story of Josie and The Pussycats
featuring the remarkable Patrice Holloway and the delicious
Cheryl Ladd. It was written by yours truly, with invaluable
assistance from the Pineapple Princess, Miss Laura Pinto,
and the unofficial fourth Pussycat, songwriter extraordinaire
Sue Sheridan! Get your copy now! It's a must for girl-group
enthusiasts, if I do say so my damn self . . . and after reading
it, if any of you out there with reissue label connections are
in the mood to create a definitive Patrice Holloway/Josie and The
Pussycats CD compilation for the general market (unfortunately,
Rhino's recent CD is a limited-edition release), let no one
dissuade you!!!
Stuffed Animal
PS: Log onto http://www.archiecomics.com/coverpage.html
for information on the nationwide talent search to find
the new Josie and The Pussycats!
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:10:57 -0000
From: Laura Pinto
Subject: Re: Detergents / Ronnie Dante
Rashkovsky wrote:
> Leader Of The Laundromat - The Detergents: My failing
> memory tells me that this was a Paul Vance written and
> produced item with Ronnie Dante as the Detergents. Can
> someone confirm? I know that Vance did several of these
> parody records. One had Johnny Cymbal as lead singer.
> Does anyone have that title for me?
Can't help you with the Johnny Cymbal track, but you are
correct about the Detergents. Paul Vance/Lee Pockriss wrote
"Leader" and all the other songs recorded by The Detergents.
The trio consisted of Ronnie (Ron) Dante, Danny Jordan, and
Tommy Wynn. Danny sang lead on "Leader."
A few years later, the team of Vance/Pockriss would also
bring us a group called the Cuff Links and a Top-Ten hit
called "Tracy." The debut LP was also entitled "Tracy," and
the "Cuff Links" initially were just one guy overdubbing his
vocals some eight or nine times. That guy, of course, was
Ron Dante!
Coincidentally, if any of you have seen it, there's a TV
commercial for Yoplait currently airing that features another
Vance/Pockriss composition, "Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow
Polka-Dot Bikini." The lead vocals on the commercial?
YUP--Ron Dante again!
Speaking of the Detergents and the Shangri-Las, I came
across a rather obscure single via eBay about a year ago by
the former entitled "I Can Never Eat Home Anymore." Apparently,
the Detergents weren't finished with the Shangri-Las after
cutting "Leader."
Laura
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:28:55 -0000
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Superman
Just look up there... is it a bird?... is it a plane? No,
it's Jimmie Cross with "Super Duper Man" (Red Bird 042).
Another extended family member is "Superman's Big Sister"
by Ian Dury, with some wacky strings from Ivor Raymonde.
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 21:43:45 -0800
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll
I'd side with Richard Havers as to "where it comes from" and
"what it is". My immediate thoughts were Cab Calloway & Louis
Jordan who provided quite a bit of roll as opposed to rock,
Fats Domino doing "The Fat Man", the R'n'B of Lloyd Price,
lots of the stuff Hank Williams did had a swing, oh so many
components. As an aside, I notice we retained the "rock" but
what about the "roll "?
After a few hours torturing my brain here goes....
Elvis Presley--------------Hound Dog
Jerry Lee Lewis------------High School Confidential
Little Richard-------------Long Tall Sally
Hank Williams--------------Lovesick Blues
Buddy Holly & Crickets-----Oh Boy (not Pop to my ears)
Jimmie Rodgers-------------Honeycomb
Les Paul& Mary Ford--------How High The Moon
Frankie Laine--------------Jezebel
Lonnie Donegan-------------Rock Island Line
Lloyd Price----------------Lawdy Miss Clawdy
Chuck Berry----------------Roll Over Beethoven
Duane Eddy-----------------Rebel Rouser
Johnny Ray-----------------Cry
Etta James-----------------Roll With Me Henry
Dion & Belmonts------------I Wonder Why
Ruth Brown-----------------Mama He Treats Your Daughter Mean
Sam Cooke------------------Touch The Hem Of His Garment
Ray Charles----------------What'd I Say
Link Wray------------------Rumble
Clyde McPhatter------------Without Love
Right that concludes the voting for the Norwegian jury (Euro-
joke), no room for lots of stuff, one or two last minute
entries, Johnny Ray just had to be in there.
Ken On The West Coast (ice pack against head)
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 17:50:00 -0500
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll?
Stuart Miller:
> when Bill Medley starts ummming as they get to the
> end of the fade.....
Agreed, Stuart. I think it's a combination of Bill's velvety
voice and the blissful chords he hits. It IS rather sexy.
Our Telephone Songs thread has gone from the very specific to
the very general: therefore not only Call Me by Chris Montez,
but:
Call Me Al Green
Call Me Aretha Franklin
Call Me Blondie
And anyone for...??
Lonesome 7-7203 Hawkshaw Hawkins
Bopper 4-4809 (not sure of this title!) Donna Dameron
Both of which I am looking for on 45s.
And now on to Rashkovsky's question. Geez you guys are such hard
acts to follow!!! To the best of my knowledge "rock & roll" is
primarily influenced by rhythm & blues and the country sound that
eventually became rockabilly. So here goes:
Top 10 Rock & Roll influences
1. Chuck Berry
2. Sam Cooke
3. Little Richard
4. Elvis Presley
5. Jerry Lee Lewis
6. Fats Domino
7. Willie Dixon
8. Dinah Washington (gotta get a woman in there!)
9. (arguably) The Beatles
10. (arguably) The Clovers/The Coasters (tie!!)
Honorable mention goes to Gary-U.S. Bonds, whose "Quarter To Three"
IMHO qualifies as one of the most STOMPIN' rock-n-roll records ever
recorded, as well as having the best intro of any pop hit from about
1957-1965 or so....
Bobster
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:03:57 -0800
From: Scott Swanson
Subject: Re: Page sessions
Phil M:
> I have become very hungry for a compilation of Jimmy Page's
> session work. I know one or two have trickled out over the
> years, but those have unfortunately passed me by. Can anyone
> tip me to the top-level details of any such comps?
The most comprehensive Page-session compilation is an 8-disc
Japanese bootleg titled "Jimmy Page Session Man". The next
best choice is Sequel's "Hip Young Guitar Slinger" (NEECD 486,
2000), although that one is marred by the inclusion of several
Immediate Records tracks that feature very little (if any) of
Page's guitar playing (not to mention the fact that those songs
have already appeared on about a million Castle/Sequel comps in
the last two decades!).
I really wish that Decca/Deram would follow Sequel's lead and
release a Page-related comp of their own, since the majority of
Jimmy's best session licks were laid down for Decca in 1964-65.
Anyway, I have both of the aforementioned comps. Just drop me a
line off list.
Regards,
Scott
(resident self-proclaimed Jimmy Page session guru)
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:15:26 +0000
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: What Is Rock & Roll
Richard Havers wrote:
> Interestingly the use of the word rock (and roll) in popular recording
> goes back, at least, to the 1929 when Tampa Red's Hokum Jug Band cut
> 'My Daddy Rocks Me (With One Steady Roll).
In "Where Dead Voices Gather," his quasi-biography of transitional
performer Emmett Miller, writer Nick Tosches dredges up what surely must
be the earliest use of the term "rock and roll" on record, in a minstrel/
gospel session from 1910 entitled "The Camp Meeting Jubilee," credited
only to Male Quartette. Fortunately the stunningly comprehensive folks at
Document Records have put it on CD, on their "Earliest Negro Vocal
Quartets (1894-1928)." I'll be happy to play it to musica, if interest
seems to be there (and, being in the public domain, the track is deemed
acceptable to be posted there). It's one of the strangest damn things
you'll ever hear.
Those interested in other early (though not THAT early) uses of
"rocknroll" on record would do well to Google "Hoy Hoy" and "Saratoga
Springs," which will hopefully produce a link or two to a guy there who
sells a pair of homemade CDs of seminal examples of the form. The music
is brilliant -- and, of course, rockin' -- but my only complaint is that
he has mostly limited his selections to songs that not only exemplify
rocknroll but also include some variation of the phrase in their titles,
causing the comps to wear a bit more heavily than they needed to.
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 00:25:45 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: Re: Even More Telephone Songs
Don't know if anyone's mentioned Tony Hazzard's "Hello It's Me." I
have his version but I think he wrote if for the Tremolos. Hazzard's
version is repleat with telephone sounds and a phone coversation
spliced throughout.
Me being a sucker for Mr Jeff Lynne's songs love the two obvious
choices by him: "Telephone Line" and "Calling America."
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