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There are 21 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. New York Party
From: S'pop Team
2. Re: Fifth Estate
From: Guy Lawrence
3. Re: Stolen Licks
From: James Botticelli
4. Re: Crystals' "I Wonder"
From: Phil Chapman
5. Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller
From: Alan Gordon
6. 1970 Lesley on Crewe
From: John Frank
7. Carol Connors Interview
From: John C
8. Referencing
From: Steve Harvey
9. Bert Berns/Hoagy Lands
From: Michael Edwards
10. Re: Fifth Estate
From: Jeff Lemlich
11. Chee Chee and Peppy on Buddah Records
From: Louis
12. Re: Art Wayne Acetate
From: Jeffrey Glenn
13. Interesting British Invasion Quiz
From: Javed Jafri
14. Mac & Katie Kissoon
From: Louis
15. Re: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller
From: Mikey
16. Re: Bert Bens/Hoagy Lands/Elektras
From: Phil Chapman
17. Re: Mac & Katie Kissoon
From: Eddy
18. Re: Carol Connors/Collins
From: Mick Patrick
19. Hoagy & Bert
From: Martin Roberts
20. Re: Hoagy & Bert
From: Simon White
21. Re: Bert Berns / Hoagy Lands / the Elektras
From: Mick Patrick
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:02:37 +0100
From: S'pop Team
Subject: New York Party
New York Party Reminder
Spectropop & Cha Cha Charming present
SHINDIG, a celebration of sixties pop
Date: Friday June 20th
Time: 8:00 pm
Location: The Slipper Room, 167 Orchard Street
(on the corner of Stanton Street), Downtown NYC
DJs, go-go girls and a performance by the girl group,
IT'S MY PARTY! See a picture of these lovelies here:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/lst
Party organiser Sheila B is currently working on a
flyer and website, so more details will come soon.
There will be a discount list for Spectropop members,
so please email your name to:
sheila@chachacharming.com
See you there!
The S'pop Team
Spectropop - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:30:10 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: Fifth Estate
Clark wrote:
> Bobster, not sure which CD David referred you to, but there is a nice
> one with some 30 tracks out there that I think the Fifth Estate put
> out themselves...having given props there, there will be a new
> Cd of this stuff coming in the next year with superior sound, so you
> can decide.
Clark, could you let us know who'll be releasing this CD and where
we can look out for it?
Thanks,
Guy.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:53:26 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Stolen Licks
Artie Wayne:
> JB...... Let's not forget the intro to "My Guy" by
> Mary Wells is "Canadian Sunset." regards, Artie Wayne
Then the Doors ended "Touch Me" with a lick from the Ajax
commercial: "stronger than dirt."
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:16:18 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Crystals' "I Wonder"
Ian:
> Couldn't agree more Robert. In the Rob Finnis book, "The
> Phil Spector Story", Larry Levine described Phil as
> "overstepping the mark with the echoes on those late
> Crystals things......they were messy." While that might
> possibly be true of "All Grown Up", I fervently disagree
> about "Little Boy" and "I Wonder". I enjoy hearing the
> Wall of Sound at its extreme, and the productions on those
> two tracks are powerful, yet controlled, giving an impression
> of a reigned-in thunderstorm. The intro to "Little Boy"
> never fails to take my breath away, especially played
> floor-shakingly loud!!
Seconded! Structurally, the Crystals' "I Wonder" is the
turbo-charged "Uptown". But what a record!! When I first
heard "I Wonder" I couldn't associate it with any reality,
such as actual people/musicians; it was just an overwhelming
soundscape. The mix is saturated by a waterfall of percussion,
with drums quarry-blasting through on every fill, while the
rhythm churns with the power of a cotton mill in full throttle.
I saw The Crystals sing (lip-synch) this on TV (twice), and
I was welded to the set.
And how ironic that the whole racket, in concert with the
self-conscious La La Brooks' incredible powerhouse delivery,
merely expounds a song about a young girl intimately fantasizing
a potential Mr. Right, not dissimilar to the sentiment of another
Spector soundscape masterpiece, "Paradise". It's a simple tune,
played fervently by world-class musicians.... Intellectual content
virtually nil, excitement infinite. Hmm, the power of imagination.
Interesting to note that the middle-8s of "I Wonder" and "Girls Can
Tell" appear to be interchangeable.
Phil
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:24:13 -0700
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller
Anyone here know anything about this new release of ancient stuff:
Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller: The Lost Recordings.
It's material by The Trophies, The Fleas and The Chimes, and
songwriter demos (I think).
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:30:52 -0700
From: John Frank
Subject: 1970 Lesley on Crewe
Patrick says in a recent post that Lesley "is duetting with
Oliver - the single was released on Crewe Records around 1970.
Lesley Gore released a handful of singles on the Crewe label,..."
Regarding the 1970 duet: It's credited on the label to "Billy
and Sue", I think.
It took me a long time to hear these sides. I finally got most
of them in a tape trade a few years ago. Here's some info:
Lesley Gore: Tomorrow's Children/Why Doesn't Love Make Me Happy
(Crewe 338; 1970)
Billy & Sue: Come Softly To Me/ Billy & Sue's Love Scene
(Crewe 343, 1970)
Lesley Gore: When Yesterday Was Tomorrow/Why Me, Why You
(Crewe 344, 1970)
Lesley Gore: Quiet Love/Back Together
(Crewe 601, 197?)
Does anyone know anything about the last single? I only know of
it from a listing in my reference to 45s.
Thanks, Patrick, for the information on the other, jazz-oriented
songs on your website.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:41:28 -0400
From: John C
Subject: Carol Connors Interview
Hello All,
I thoroughly enjoyed Country Paul's interview with Carol Connors!
I noticed on the scan of her "Carol Collins" 45 of "Dear One" on
Dunes has a writing credit for F. Parris. That means that the
"Dear One" she is singing is Fred Parris of the Five Satins'
"Dear One", a ballad, which he recorded with his first group, The
Scarlets for Bobby Robinson's Red Robin Records (#128) in 1954.
Earl Lewis and The Channels also recorded a version for Channel
Records in 1974. I never heard Carol's version. Is it also a ballad?
Regards,
John Clemente
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Referencing
I think there is a difference between "referencing"
another tune and stealing the melody or lyrics to
basically rewrite the same song with your own name
as a writer. Harrison got sued for a good reason.
"My Sweet Lord" reminded me of "He's So Fine right
off the bat.
However, some people will drop a few notes or lines from
another tune to make a connection. I remember Mark Bolan
singing, "Meanwhile I'm still waiting" on his Bang A Gong.
A nod to Chuck Berry's Carol. Unlike Lennon, who did the
same thing in Come Together, he did not get sued. Bryan
Ferry quotes Can I Get A Witness? by Marvin Gaye, I think,
on his version of Shame Shame Shame. The Drifters are just
reminding their fans of "Up On the Roof" in Boardwalk. I
always thought it was a clever marketing bit.
There is a Francoise Hardy record that has the same melody
as a single Keith Relf put out. Both writers credits are
different. It was on one of her Reprise LPs. I'll have to
dig it out.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:47:48 -0000
From: Michael Edwards
Subject: Bert Berns/Hoagy Lands
We have had a few postings regarding the late great Bert Berns
over the past few weeks and I would like to share one of his 45s
with everyone. The title is "It Ain't As Easy As That" by Hoagy
Lands from 1962. I got an e-mail message from Bert's son, Brett
who offered the following comments:
"I, too, am a huge fan of Hoagy Lands - I've been told that Hoagy
was my dad's favorite singer he ever worked with, and judging from
the discography, Hoagy Lands is the only artist that Bert recorded
from the beginning in 1960 on Judi and ABC-Paramount until the end
in 1967 (for an unreleased Bang track that he wrote and produced
called "32 Miles Out Of Waycross"). "Lighted Windows", "I'm Gonna
Cry Some Tears", "My Tears Are Dry", and "It's Gonna Be Morning"
are all among my personal favorite BB songs."
Brett goes on to say that:
""It Ain't As Easy As That" is another lost gem, and I would love
to see it gain any kind of exposure. [Did you ever hear the Elektras'
1963 United Artists version, also produced by BB?]" No Brett, I have
not heard the version by the Elektras but I would like to, if someone
could post that to musica. In the meantime the 'lost gem', "It Ain't
As Easy As That" by Hoagy Lands, is now playing in musica. It has a
great uptempo Drifters/baion type sound. Enjoy the 45.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:57:41 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: Re: Fifth Estate
Clark Besch wrote:
> There is a nice one with some 30 tracks out there that I think
> the Fifth Estate put out themselves. It includes a big booklet,
> about 30 songs with many demos. Even includes Murray the K
playing the D-Men 45 on his radio show in 1964!
This compilation has so much going for it! As if Murray The K,
and all those obscure tracks aren't enough... there's also a
supposedly unreleased single ("How Can I Find The Way") that's
actually the "Carol & Gerri" track on MGM that's a big Northern
soul spin. There is also the original demo of "My Foolish Pride",
which was recorded and released by the Wild Ones. A very diverse
and entertaining CD!
Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:25:11 -0000
From: Louis
Subject: Chee Chee and Peppy on Buddah Records
Does anyone here remember the Album and songs of Chee Chee and
Peppy on Buddah Records from 1971, including the song "I Know
I'm In Love" ? or know about them?
Are there any other Yahoo Groups which cover this genre?
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 06:31:50 -0700
From: Jeffrey Glenn
Subject: Re: Art Wayne Acetate
Jeffrey Glenn wrote:
> I picked up a one-sided acetate last weekend at the Pasadena
> (CA.) record swap. The track is "Open Up Your Heart" with
> no artist listed.
Clark Besch:
> Jeff, your acetate is definitely the US Males' song, but not
> their version of it. US Males version was more polished than
> yours is as I remember it. Great record and flip "Come Out of
> the Rain" is even better! "Rain" is a Mike Rabon (5 Americans)
> tune, which makes sense since their label was a subsidiary of
> Abnak, the 5 Americans label. Hopefully, Sundazed will do an
> Abnak CD with various hits like this on it, since they own all
> the Abnak tapes now."
Clark, thanks for the info; now we need Artie to check and see what
he can add. And knowing that Britania was an Abnak subsidiary gives
me hope that I'll be able to find a copy of the U.S. Males 45 here
in California though an Abnak comp would be a great disc for Sundazed
to release.
Jeff
http://lostjukebox.tripod.com
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:26:11 -0400
From: Javed Jafri
Subject: Interesting British Invasion Quiz
A very interesting audio quiz of lesser known British Invasion
album tracks, B-sides etc. can be found here: http://www.ardini.com/
Have a go but please do not post your answers here or to any
discussion group, The email to post your answers to is listed on
the web page.
Javed
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:25:52 -0000
From: Louis
Subject: Mac & Katie Kissoon
Does anyone know what became of Mac & Katie Kissoon or any
way to contact them?
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:52:03 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller
> Anyone here know anything about this new release of ancient
> stuff: Rick Nelson, Glen Campbell & Jerry Fuller: The Lost
> Recordings.
Yes, I do. My friend Steve Massie did the audio transfers.
It's all the 1961-62 Challenge Records material. There are
some remixed tracks from the multi-tracks. Steve says that
the sound is AMAZING, that the tapes were in perfect shape
and they got very clean digital transfers.
I'm going to try and get this tonight, actually.
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:55:57 +0100
From: Phil Chapman
Subject: Re: Bert Bens/Hoagy Lands/Elektras
Mike:
> Brett goes on to say that: ""It Ain't As Easy As That" is another
> lost gem, and I would love to see it gain any kind of exposure.
> [Did you ever hear the Elektras' 1963 United Artists version, also
> produced by BB?]" No Brett, I have not heard the version by the
> Elektras but I would like to.
Hi Mike, If you check out John Clemente's "Baby Jane & The Rockabyes"
article (A Spectropop presentation), you'll read about The Elektras:
http://www.spectropop.com/BabyJane/ - Here's the relevant paragraph:
" Since Leiber and Stoller smelled success, they decided to try again,
this time with a Drifterish sounding ballad, with tempo changes for
the choruses. 'All I Want To Do Is Run' was a more daring attempt at
another pop hit, so maybe that's why Leiber and Stoller elected to
release this single under a new name, the Elektras. At the session,
Trio Music's production team was in on the fun. Bert Berns directed
and co-wrote the song (as Bert Russell with Carl Spencer) and Teacho
Wiltshire arranged. There is also the presence of male vocalists in
the background, most likely Arthur Crier's Halos, creating the sound
of a mixed group. Madelyn's animated soprano is given more free movement
on this waxing, likewise for the flip, 'It Ain't Easy'."
Both sides are good NY soul in BB's tradition, sounding a little like
The Exciters IMHO. I've played it to musica, as requested.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica
Phil
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:09:50 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Mac & Katie Kissoon
Louis:
> Does anyone know what became of Mac & Katie Kissoon...
Not sure about Mac, but Katie became a very much in demand
session singer, backing up such people as Elton John, Roger
Waters, Van Morrison, Mike & Mechanics and many more. She also
toured extensively with the Stones (she's on Flashpoint), but
most of all for many years with Eric Clapton, including the
Japanese tour he did with George Harrison.
Eddy
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:41:08 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Carol Connors/Collins
John Clemente wrote:
> I thoroughly enjoyed Country Paul's interview with Carol Connors!
> I noticed on the scan of her "Carol Collins" 45 of "Dear One" on
> Dunes has a writing credit for F. Parris. That means that the
> "Dear One" she is singing is Fred Parris of the Five Satins'
> "Dear One", a ballad, which he recorded with his first group, The
> Scarlets for Bobby Robinson's Red Robin Records (#128) in 1954.
> Earl Lewis and The Channels also recorded a version for Channel
> Records in 1974. I never heard Carol's version. Is it also a ballad?
I've posted to musica "Dear One" by Carol Collins, released on Dunes
2005 in mid-1961. It is indeed a version of the Scarlets' doo wop
classic. So far, we have no absolute confirmation that Carols Connors
and Collins are one and the same person. Click the link below, take a
listen, and then tell me what you think. Maybe Country Paul could ask
S'pop's favourite Teddy Bear to lend a shell-like too:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
It's interesting to note that Carol's colleague in the Teddy Bears -
some fella named Phil Spector - produced a version of the same song
for Billy Storm at Atlantic Records in January of the same year.
Will you be at the S'pop/Cha Cha Charming "Shindig" in NY, John?
Mick Patrick
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:33:45 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Hoagy & Bert
Thanks Mike for playing Hoagy Lands' "It Ain't As Easy As That"
to musica. What a blinding track! And with Phil also playing The
Elektras' version (although on this occasion I prefer the A-Side
"All I Want To Do Is Run") some super music to be had.
Always great to hear the music of Bert Berns who worked in so
many styles but who you felt was at his happiest with the
aforementioned truly soulful performances. And how cool to have
his son Brett on S'pop. The site he has is a fine and worthy
tribute to his father, well worth checking out:
http://www.bertberns.com/
Martin
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:52:43 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Hoagy & Bert
How wonderful this all is !
Hoagy had a couple of 'Northern' hits, notably "The Next In Line"
(hear those Chiffons!) on Laurie. He came over to the UK just before
he passed away a few years ago and I was lucky enough to see him -
and he was great! It was a very emotional experience.
There is a 1971 UK reissue of another Laurie track "Friends And
Lovers Don't Go Together" (more Chiffons!), great in itself, but
the flip, "True Love At Last" was not issued anywhere before....
or so I'm told.
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:07:29 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Bert Berns / Hoagy Lands / the Elektras
Martin Roberts:
> Thanks Mike for playing Hoagy Lands' "It Ain't As Easy As That"
> to musica. What a blinding track! And with Phil also playing The
> Elektras' version (although on this occasion I prefer the A-Side
> "All I Want To Do Is Run") some super music to be had.
As a special treat, and to prove to myself that I'm able, I've
placed a cool shot of the Elektras in the photos section. What a
fabulous group they were, although an acquired taste, I'm told.
Click below to cop a look at them:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/vwp?.dir=/&.dnm=The+Elektras.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t&.hires=t
I had the pleasure of seeing Hoagy Lands perform at the 100 Club a
couple of years ago. Although he was not in the best of health, he
gave a very dramatic performance that night, breaking down in tears
more than once. It really was quite an emotional experience. He may
well have been the best vocalist Bert Berns ever worked with, his
version of "Baby Come On Home" on Atlantic being a very tough record
to beat, if you care for gut-wrenching, gospel-drenched uptown soul,
which I *do*.
I realise that *soul* music is not necessarily a favourite genre
among some S'poppers. To those folk I say, remember that Bert Berns
owned and ran the Bang label, home of the Strangeloves, the McCoys,
Neil Diamond and a host of other great *pop* acts.
In fact, I understand that Hoagy Lands recorded some tracks for Bang
that were never released. What an utter treat it would be for us all
if *someone* (no names, Brett) posted them to musica for us to hear.
Like they say, if you don't ask, you don't get! :-)
More recently I was talking to Ernie Maresca who worked with Hoagy
at Laurie Records. He was full of praise for the great guy. Watch
out for a new-to-CD Maresca/Lands collaboration on a forthcoming Ace
release.
There's a CD full of Bert Berns' British productions crying out to
be put together. All the tracks were on UK Decca, so the licensing
should be quite straightforward. And with big names like Them and
Lulu among the contenders, healthy sales would be guaranteed. If
only I had my own record label! (Heavy sigh) "Here Comes The Night"
by Lulu, what a sensational record!
Mick Patrick
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