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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Sue Thompson; regional scenes; my websites
From: Country Paul
2. Re: The Other Two
From: Peter Lerner
3. Re: The Robbs etc
From: Guy Lawrence
4. Party Info??
From: Mikey
5. Re: Other Two
From: Ian Chapman
6. Re: Dark Clark?
From: Bill George
7. Re: Archies videos on Ron Dante Online
From: Clark Besch
8. Re: Family Affair
From: Stratton Bearhart
9. The Monacles' Hearse Photos
From: Leonardo
10. question for Rashkovsky
From: David A. Young
11. Jeff Barry / Ike and Tina Turner
From: Stuffed Animal
12. Re: Dileo / Zekley
From: Jeffrey Glenn
13. Pre-Shindig
From: Martin Roberts
14. Quiet Reed
From: Steve Harvey
15. Re: Party Info??
From: Amber
16. Regions
From: Steve Harvey
17. Re: Party Info??
From: James Botticelli
18. Re: Jeff Barry
From: Martin Roberts
19. Re: question for Rashkovsky
From: James Botticelli
20. Re: Party Info??
From: Mikey
21. Re: Party Info??
From: James Botticelli
22. Hair Apparent
From: Steve Harvey
23. First Post
From: Ray
24. Re: Lisa Hartman / Jeff Barry
From: Brad Burg
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:03:47 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Sue Thompson; regional scenes; my websites
Ronnie, the Sue Thompson interview sounds like it'll be really fun. I always
liked "Paper Tiger" - the combination of adult sexiness and the little girl
voice you just knew didn't belong to a little girl....
Larry Lapka:
> It seems each region of the US had their "own" bands,
> performers who were top hitmakers in certain areas but
> just busts nationally. In the east, certainly the
> Vagrants would fit that description.
Upstate New York - Albany to Buffalo - had a thriving scene with Wilmer &
the Dukes, the Rising Sons and Otis & The All Night Workers (with Loud Reed)
leading the pack. Connecticut (New Haven, Hartford and Springfield, Mass.
metros) had #1 hits by the Wildweeds (from Windsor, "No Good To Cry"), the
Blue Beats (from New Haven, "Extra Girl") and the Downbeats (from Hartford,
a bunch of stuff before I lived there). These artists actually got airplay
and sold records in these areas. Of course Gene Pitney and Van Trevor, both
Hartford-area natives, had national success. Can anyone else offer any
self-contained scene examples?
http://www.thevideobeat.com - what a catalog! The music documentaries are
pretty cool too!
Off-topic, but I can't resist: the first expanded version of my business
website is up and running at http://www.paulpayton.com There are multiple
tweaks and corrections to come - fairly quickly, I hope - but it's there!
Also, my low-low-budget site for my microscopic record company,
http://www.presenceproductions.com is also up. (Don't go clicking for
pictures at the little red x's - there are none. I warned you the budget was
low!)
Country Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:50:35 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: The Other Two
Richard Havers and Ian Chapman wrote recently about The Other Two.
Ian Chapman wrote:
> the Other Two.....were a little way-out for the time and
> had a memorable "one-blonde-one-brunette" image. Check out
> the "pictures" section, where Mick has posted a great 60s
> shot showing Jemima, left and Caroline, right.
Richard wrote:
> I have a page scanned from a magazine about the girls; it
> includes the same pic as Mick posted. If anyone wants a copy
> please mail me off list and I will be happy to send it along.
I have in the back of my mind a British act of this name who made a record
for Decca, which was never released, of a Jackie DeShannon song which is
otherwise unheard of. Are we talking about the same people? Can anyone give
me any more information?
Peter
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:57:31 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re: The Robbs etc
Don Lonie quoted:
> "The Robbs were just an ordinary southern California rock group. They
> played successfully at local dances and high schools. Then Dick Clark
> spotted them and signed them to play at his Chicago Teen Fair. It was
> a scary debut. Paul Revere and the Raiders, The Young Rascals, Lou
> Christie and Freddy Cannon were heading the bill.
Wow! And they say Woodstock had a good line up!
Guy.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:00:32 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Party Info??
Can someone PLEASE post the info for the party on Friday 20th??
thanks,
Mikey
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:06:09 +0100
From: Ian Chapman
Subject: Re: Other Two
Peter asked:
> I have in the back of my mind a British act of this name
> who made a record for Decca, which was never released, of
> a Jackie DeShannon song which is otherwise unheard of. Are
> we talking about the same people? Can anyone give me any
> more information?
Yes, Peter, it's the same girls. Apparently they recorded a
Jackie song called "Breakdown Baby" at Decca, but it was
withheld due to "controversial lyrics."
Ian
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:30:12 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Dark Clark?
Previously:
> >>>>>hmmm.....that DOES sound like Dave, but he insisted a
> few years ago that he didnt want to be a "60 year washed up
> Rock Star playing the old songs".
It sounded like he wasn't doing an oldies gig, but actually performing new
stuff. It was soooo early in the morning. I was driving to church in the next
state at about 7:30 am, so I wasn't awake enough to remember it. I originally
started listening just to find out who the grizzled sounding old brit was. He
sounded like a lot of fun.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:18:45 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Archies videos on Ron Dante Online
Laura Pinto wrote:
> Hi, fellow Spectropoppers. Just a quick note to let you know that
> there are two vintage (of course!) Archies videos on Ron Dante
> Online ... "Mr. Factory" and "Sunshine!
Laura, looks like a cool site! I really love "Yellow Van" bu Ronnie
& the Dirt Riders (prod by Manilow). Too bad it came at a time when
only the Beach Boys could pull of a beach song sound (76, i think).
Still, here in Lincoln, Ne., it made our charts!! I have a cool old
video of "Sugar Sugar" that is kinda ironic. Ron Dante basically
unknown as lead singer of the Archies, yet this video is of 4 real
life characters doing the song as the Archies. The ironic part is
that Ron dante is performing as all 4 members in real life trick
photography! Pretty funny idea! Take care, Clark
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stratton Bearhart
Subject: Re: Family Affair
I was delighted at the news of a Stone Family reunion,
but likewise sad to hear of the exclusion of Sly
himself.
I really think its important not to underestimate the
influence of this band on developments in black music
into the 70's and forward. For instance, much as
Stevie Wonder's albums from "Music Of My Mind" onwards
were innovative in their own right, the figure of Sly
Stone looms large in the musical mix.
Stratton Bearharts Sponsor
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:01:21 -0000
From: Leonardo
Subject: The Monacles' Hearse Photos
Here are some photos of The Monacles touring Hearse from the 60's.
It's not often that a Rock and Roll related car pops up in original
condition. It's amazing that it's lasted this long...Just thought
you might want to take a look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2418854275
Cheers
Leonardo
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:14:35 +0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: question for Rashkovsky
Hey, Mike,
I was playing the 45 "Please Make the Love Go Away" by The WhatNauts (Stang
5014) the other day, a song you co-wrote with Ellie. Any stories to share
here? In a deep soul vein, the song is so far from the poppy/hooky sound I
associate with both of you that I'm curious how it came about.
David
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:31:14 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Jeff Barry / Ike and Tina Turner
I believe I've discovered a previously unknown Jeff Barry solo record. It
is "Caravan Of Lonely Men," a song that Jeff produced for Tony Passalacqua
(recording under the name Tony Richards) in 1962. This version came out
about a year later under the group name The Lovers. Released on Agon
Records #1011, the flipside is "In My Tenement," an Artie Resnick song
recorded by Clyde McPhatter on his excellent 1964 SONGS OF THE BIG CITY
album. While Jeff Barry doesn't remember cutting this single, he
acknowledges that it could very well be his lead vocals. Personally, I'm
convinced that it IS him, with Artie Resnick singing background. A very
good record. There are no production credits listed, but both songs are TM
Music copyrights, so Bobby Darin may have supervised.
Also, I recently acquired a promo copy of Phil Spector's production of Ike
and Tina Turner (actually, just Tina) singing "I'll Never Need More Than
This." Much to my surprise, I discovered that the intro on this single is
different from both the stereo album version and the version included on
Phil's BACK TO MONO boxed set.
Stuff
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:50:45 -0700
From: Jeffrey Glenn
Subject: Re: Dileo / Zekley
Clark:
> Hi Jeff, thanks for the info on Bob Dileo. I was always curious as
> to who he was. Any info on how he got signed, where he was from,
> what happened to him in music after Columbia dropped him?
Actually, he has his own website at www.robertdileo.com, which will answer
some of your questions. The chronology isn't always right (he places the
Columbia singles in the 70's, when they're actually 1968-69), but it's an
interesting read. There are also mp3's on the site including some earlier
doowop tracks and some recent recordings of standards. Those of you in New
Jersey can go see him; check out the appearances page. And you'll find out
his daughter's name is Jessica!
> As I am a fan of stereo, I have never seen a mono/stereo dj copy
> of Bob's records. I'd love to hear "Band in Boston" in stereo! All
> of my copies are mono with B sides. I checked and I have a dupe
> of "Jessica". What do you propose for trade? I do not sell records--
> only HOARD them! :) I can't help it--I love 45s!
Sorry if I misled you re: a possible stereo "Band In Boston." Promo copies
are the same as stock copies here: mono with the A and B side. I'm pretty
sure the same applies for "Just Can't Help Believin'" (the copy I
transferred for Spiritual Obscurities Vol. 6 belongs to Elliot Kendall, and
I don't remember if it was a stock or promo copy). But the mp3 I have of
"Jessica" is true stereo, so I'm guessing the promo of this is a double
A-sided mono (with white label)/stereo (with light blue label) 45.
And I'll e-mail you off list re: a trade for your extra copy of "Jessica."
I think I have something here you'll really like. :-)
> I see you're big on Zekley and Grady stuff? I really liked some
> "Rain" song Gary Zekley did on an import Japan Cd. I have it on
> cassette, but would love to get stereo Cdr burn. Any other things
> you can think of? I did some work on the Yellow Balloon Cd Sundazed
> put out--a cool 18 minute interview is included which makes for a
> very unusual and unique Cd. I wish there were more Cds with
> interviews of the artists from the 60's on end as bonus tracks.
> Also, I recently got a cool Palace Guard best of Cd which includes
> the Don Grady single he fronted for them. Nice Cd!
You're thinking of Zekley's original demo "Here Comes The Rain" (recorded as
"Like A Summer Rain" by Dean Torrence as Jan & Dean). This has never
appeared in stereo and likely does not exist as such (the source is a mono
acetate).
> BTW, the flip of "Jessica" is indeed interesting. "Sing to Me" is
> a Lee Mallory song--didn't he write the fantastic Montanas song "Take
> my Hand"?? The Montanas are great!--oops, I can't get started on
> them. Anyway, "Sing to Me" is produced by Jimmy 'the Wiz" Wisner as
> the A side was. Altho Peter Dino arranged the session, Bob Dileo did
> the "Strings", so he must have had some bonus talents?? If you ever
> see any of Bob's stuff in stereo, including the Copout 45, I'd love
> to hear them! I like both sides of that 45!
Actually Lee Mallory - as most of you know - was a member of The Millennium,
and "Take My Hand" - actually written by Dick & Don Addrisi - is a
pre-Millennium Lee Mallory solo single (Valiant V-761 from 1967, and the
definitive version, produced by Curt Boettcher). The versions by The
Montanas and The Avengers are covers. And though Mallory didn't actually
write "Take My Hand," he's written or cowritten lots of great songs!
As for any of the Dileo/Giant Jellybean Copout stuff being issued in stereo,
I don't think we'll be seeing that anytime soon.:-( I'd be happy with an
issue of the stuff from an actual master tape!
Jeff
http://lostjukebox.tripod.com
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:26:59 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Pre-Shindig
Mike kindly offered the Brits a tour round the home ground of The Village
People in his SUV. (Is this what we English call a 'boot'?) Unfortunately
(?!) I will be heading back to Steubenville.
Only teasing! Thanks for the invite Mike, I wish I could be there.
But I would like to invite any Yanks in the vicinity of New York to a
pre-Shindig get together on Wednesday the 18th. A few of us from the UK and
US are meeting in the lobby of the Off Soho Suites Hotel, 11 Rivington St
(two blocks South of Houston and Second Avenue) at approximately 8pm, before
moving on to sample some local pizza. From what I can gather LOTS will be
going on at the Shindig and it would be great to meet some S'pop friends
beforehand. Hope you can make it.
Any queries regarding venue, times and dress code are best posted to the
S'pop list as I am NY bound tomorrow (Saturday).
Martin
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Quiet Reed
> Upstate New York - Albany to Buffalo - had a Otis & The All Night
> Workers (with Loud Reed) leading the pack.
Did Lou drop the "d" from his name after the rest of the Velvets
asked him to turn down his amp?
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:55:05 +0100
From: Amber
Subject: Re: Party Info??
Mikey asked AGAIN:
> Can someone PLEASE post the info for the party on Friday 20th??
Sweetie, Honey, Baby, Lamb..... Have you not been paying the very
strictest attention? For the last two weeks or so, the NY Shindig
info you desire has been included at the bottom of each and every
Spectropop daily message digest, by way of a link to Miss Sheila B's
Chachacharming site. Those who are signed up to receive their S'pop
messages via individual emails will have found the Shindig info link
at the bottom of every single little message. To save further
anxiety, just click right here: http://www.chachacharming.com
See you there, Doll. How will we recognize each other?
AvT
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:53:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Regions
I was talking to somebody about this topic just
the other night. In the Philly area we had the Kits
Kats, great band, but they never got off the block.
Every area had their "local color" due to the amount
of local and regional acts played on the radio.
Unfortunately our radio waves have been so
consolidated that it's even affecting the oldies
stations. Not only do they cut the playlist down to
such a point that former favorites are played so often
I now change the channel when they come on, but
certain artists don't exist as far as programers would
have us believe. What bothers me even more is the
college kids that run oldies shows on their school's
stations. They seem to be mimicing what they hear on
the commercial oldies stations. There is not sense of
adventure that makes them want to check out B-sides
(what's that?) or album cuts. During the 60s I learned
about most of my 50s artists via writer's credits I
kept seeing over and over. "Who is this Holly guy?
Same one as that Holley guy on the Stones record?" I
learned, but only because I took the time to track
these guys down (which at the time weren't played much
since the "oldies" format hadn't taken off yet).
"Be Bop A Lula" was the only thing Gene Vincent
ever did if you listen to the oldies station. Can't
remember the last time I ever heard Eddie Cochran
played. All souls records were put out on Motown
except for a couple of Sam and Dave and Otis sides -
if you listen to this same station. The list goes on.
Oddly enough, Wawa (our local version of 7-11)
must play tapes or have a really hip music vendor
based on my visits there. I've been entertained with
tunes like Joe Clay's "Don't Mess With My Ducktail"
and Vincent's "Race With the Devil". Too bad I can't
hear them in my car.
What I suggest are laws that would force all
music stations to play a certain amount of music, if
not based on states, at least regional areas, by
musicians from those areas. Something similar to the
laws that Canada passed to ensure a certain amount of
music is by Canadian artist. It may seem farfetched
considering the new FFC ruling that Colin Powell's
kid, Michael, just snuck by last week. However, you
gotta start somewhere.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:11:03 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Party Info??
Amber wrote:
> How will we recognize each other?
I'm the good lookin' one.
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:17:26 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: Jeff Barry
Stuff wrote:
> I believe I've discovered a previously unknown Jeff Barry solo record. It
> is "Caravan Of Lonely Men,"...under the group name The Lovers. Released on
> Agon Records #1011,
I believe (for every drop of rain that falls....) I mentioned this 45 some
while back and it is a firm favourite in the Roberts' household. 'Fraid my
ears aren't up to the job of hearing Jeff's voice but guess it could be. My
copy is a regular issue with Tony Espositono credited as arranger and
conductor. No producer credit. As for the T.M. credit I believe (...a flower
grows...) not too much should be read into Bobby's music publishing credits,
although Jeff was signed to T.M. for a while.
Love to hear your copy of "I'll Never Need More Than This"!
Martin
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:13:11 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: question for Rashkovsky
David A. Young wrote:
> Hey, Mike,
> I was playing the 45 "Please Make the Love Go Away" by The WhatNauts (Stang
> 5014) the other day, a song you co-wrote with Ellie. Any stories to share
> here? In a deep soul vein, the song is so far from the poppy/hooky sound I
> associate with both of you that I'm curious how it came about.
Not how it came about, but how it was recorded. Anyone ever notice that 45s
on Stang sound like they were recorded in a bathroom? Great tunes, but
sheeesh, the studio time must've been dirt cheap. Anyone know the Stang
Story?
JB
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:30:32 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Party Info??
Amber wrote:
> How will we recognize each other?
DJ Jimmy Botticelli:
> I'm the good lookin' one.
>>>>>She meant ME, you thread stealer, Jim, you!!!!
LOL....thanks SweetBabyPie.
I'll be in the Shiny Blue 1960s suit with the crosstie and the "Fabian"
pompadour......
Shouldn't be too hard....
Mikey
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:00:15 -0400
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Party Info??
Mikey wrote:
> I'll be in the Shiny Blue 1960s suit with the crosstie and the
> "Fabian" pompadour......
Hey Mike...Is the suit ill-fitting and too tight? hehehe
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Hair Apparent
Mikey:
> I'll be in the Shiny Blue 1960s suit with the crosstie
> and the "Fabian" pompadour...... Shouldn't be too hard....
Do you mean "too hard" as in the ability to recognize you
or the overall consistency of your "pompadour?
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:32:24 -0000
From: Ray
Subject: First Post
I found this message board by accident and was pleased to see that a
place exists to talk about the 60's Spector sound. (and other
things) I've been spending the last few days familiarizing myself
with the arhive posts and have really enjoyed reading some of the
threads within this group. I am really amazed at the knowledge and
insight you guys have for this music. I thought it was time to
introduce myself to the group and post my first post.
My name is Ray, I grew up in nyc but I now live in Wilmington, Delaware
(the city that never wakes). I have always been crazy over the Spector
sound. My favorite groups are the Ronettes, and the Crystals. But, my
favorite Spector produced record is "Love is all I have to give" by the
Checkmates Ltd.
As a teenager, growing up in Brooklyn, NY. I had the privledge of
becoming lifelong friends with Reparata (of Reparata and the Delrons).
Her recording of "I'm Nobody's Baby Now" is, of course, my favorite of
all the Spector sounding records that Phil Spector did not produce. I
also had the privledge to be present in the RCA studios when she
recorded that song, and remember every detail that took place during
that fantastic amazing session.
I see from the archive postings that a few other friends of Reparata
are also a part of this group. I hope that, in future posts, I can
contribute some interesting information and provide some candid
opinions.
Ray
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:48:45 -0000
From: Brad Burg
Subject: Re: Lisa Hartman / Jeff Barry
This confirms and expands on a topic almost one year old—-but I just
found it online, and figured I'd add a few points. The topic is from
Digest 546 of July 27, 2002, and this refers to message #7:
Will George:
> And if I remember correctly, she was discovered singing in a
> Houston club, but not by Jeff Barry. They were put together
> after her signing with Kirschner.
Stuffed Animal wrote:
> Sorry, but that's not what Jeff Barry told me. He said he got
> a call from a songwriter friend named Dene Hofheinz (who ended
> up co-writing most of the material on Lisa's debut album) to
> come down to Houston and check out this hot young singer.
Phil Milstein wrote:
> FYI (and admittedly off-topic), Hofheinz is a big name in Houston.
> Judge Roy Hofheinz - who I would assume to be a relative of the
> songwriter Dene - was the big-bucks backer of the city's acquisition
> of a baseball franchise back in the early '60s, and was the prime
> mover behind the creation of the Astrodome (at the time promoted as
> "The 8th Wonder of the World") and, with it, the dreaded Astroturf.
To this, I'd add:
Phil Milstein, Stuffed Animal, and Jeff Barry, are all accurate. I
was a songwriter friend of Dene at the time—and became the 3rd co-
writer on the album, which can be listened to online
(http://www.lisahartman-black.com/lisahartman.html)--and Jeff's
account is exactly accurate. Some more details: Producer David
Foster, then just a session man, played keyboards on the album. Two
songs from it became country hits in cover versions, one by Lynn
Anderson ("He Ain't You") and one which made #1 by Jim Ed Brown &
Helen Cornelius ("Saying Hello, Saying, I Love You, Saying Goodby").
Dene Hofheinz (Judge Roy Hofheinz's daughter; so your guess was
right, Phil) went on to write the recent country hit "Even God Must
Get The Blues" by Jo Dee Messina. I went on to write other things,
including a children's book recently out from Penguin ("Outside The
Lines: Poetry At Play" – you can check it out at my website
www.bradburg.com). Jeff went on to many things...And besides being a
Hall of Fame songwriter, he's also a better singer than he's ever
really revealed (versatile, too; he can do a great Sinatra style,
when he's in the mood).
Brad Burg
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