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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Baker Knight etc
From: Mikey
2. Re: Roy-like Beatles
From: Mikey
3. Re: Party
From: Bill George
4. Re. Please Please Me
From: Steve Harvey
5. IMPRTY album review from Discoveries, 2001
From: Doc Rock
6. Re: Orbisounds/I Could Have Loved You So Well
From: Don
7. Correct David Box website
From: Country Paul
8. Re. Johnny & the Hurricanes
From: Andrew
9. Nuggets II
From: Dave Mirich
10. Re: Chad Stuart solo album
From: JJ
11. For Will George
From: Tony Leong
12. Re: Roy Orbison answer song
From: Simon White
13. More on Roy
From: Simon White
14. Re: The Forum, Bobby Rydell
From: Ron
15. Re:The Songs of Baker Knight/Round Robin
From: Guy Lawrence
16. Re: Orbisongs
From: Bill Craig
17. Rudy Clark
From: Stuffed Animal
18. Darlene Love
From: John Fox
19. Spector/Starsailor
From: David A. Young
20. The Actionettes
From: Amber
21. Re: Attack
From: Bill George
22. Re: I Could Have Loved You So Well
From: Martin Roberts
23. Re: The Actionettes
From: Amber
24. Re: DC5
From: Dave Mirich
25. Re: The Forum, Bobby Rydell
From: Art Longmire
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:17:40 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Baker Knight etc
Ahhh......Baker Knight.
Great songwriter. Wrote a just amazing track for Dino, Desi
and Billy called "I Hope She's There Tonight", off their
"Souvenirs" LP. This record should have beeen an A side, it
would have been a hit, me thinks..
Mikey
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:19:01 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Roy-like Beatles
Steve Harvey:
> The Beatles' "Please Please Me" pre-Martin version was very
> Orbisonish until George Martin changed it around.
>
Alan Gordon:
> Do you have this version, Steve? I have hundreds of hours of
> Beatles, Threatles and solo stuff, but I've only heard about
> this slowed-down version, I've never actually heard it.
You haven't heard it because it doesn't exist, not even in
acetate form. EMI erased the one tape of it very, very early
in the Beatles career. All that exists is a very early take of
PPM AFTER they speeded it up.
Mikey
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:43:11 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Party
Tony Leong asked:
> First off (and this is embarrassing), there's 2 people whose
> names I have forgotten, but it was great to meet them. The
> first was the guy with the Jackie DeShannon T-shirt
That would be me. And the guy in the Ronnie Spector shirt is
David Young, aka Spector Collector.
- Bill
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:43:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Re. Please Please Me
Alan Gordon re. the pre-Martin version of "Please Please Me":
> Do you have this version, Steve?
No, there is no recording of this version that I know
of. Just read about it as part of George Martin's
sorting out process when it came to recording
material. I would have loved to have heard it. I know
the beginning on the official recording was not the
original beginning the way the Beatles had written it.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:06:37 -0400
From: Doc Rock
Subject: IMPRTY album review from Discoveries, 2001
Can I Get To Know You Better
It's My Party
Mister Cat Records 1201
By Doc Rock
The Rockabilly revival of a few years ago and the current
Swing revival have produced some fine music. But few of these
movements' revival tunes could be mistaken for vintage
originals. But the retro Girl Group, cleverly named It's My
Party, after the 1963 Lesley Gore #1 hit, has a sound that is
99 and 44/100s% pure and might easily be (mis)taken for the
real thing.
The group consists of three girls who embody the look of the
early '60s, with a ton of hairspray, matching sweaters and
blouses, and poses that recreate the old photos of the Angels,
the Pixies Three, and the Secrets. Aubrey, 16, and identical
twins Cara and Rhian, especially bring to mind the spirit of
the Shangri-Las. In fact, cut eight of the 12 on this CD is a
faithful and powerful recreation of the Shangri-Las' "Give Him
A Great Big Kiss." Other recreations include the Sloan-Barri
composition, "Can I Get To Know You Better" and an incredible
re-production (sic) of a song Bob Crewe wrote and recorded with
the Rag Dolls in 1964, "Dusty."
The other cuts blend so well it’s hard to believe Mister Cat
didn't find some old '60s tapes in a vault somewhere. And there
are no repeats of the five tracks on the group's previous two
CD-single releases. The girls take turns on lead, and the sound
from cut to cut is as fresh as it is retro. As with all '60s-
style Girl Groups, no review is complete without a nod to the
male producer. John Giotto is the creator/mastermind/composer/
engineer/drummer/keyboardist/arranger behind It's My Party. His
dedication to period and attention to detail provide a treat for
any fan of the old Girl Group sound. The only thing that keeps
It's My Party from sounding 100% pure is the recording quality.
No '60s LP ever sounded THIS good!
It's My Party is available from Mister Cat Records, Box 25622,
Rochester, NY 14625 or at http://www.itsmypartyonline.com
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 04:07:02 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Re: Orbisounds/I Could Have Loved You So Well
Ian Chapman wrote:
> BTW, I've just discovered there were two other versions of
> the song by Jack Bedient on Columbia in '67 and a later one
> by Jimmy Beaumont & the Skyliners, dating from '74 on Capitol.
> Any info or opinions on these, anyone?
My favorite version is by the Skyliners. I didn't realize it
was from '74. I've only heard this King/Goffin song by them &
Ray Peterson, and now Chance Eden. Ray Peterson's version is a
little thin. I could play the Skyliners to musica if someone
is interested.
Don
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:07:25 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Correct David Box website
Mike Edwards:
> "Country" Paul comments on one of my choices for PM's Roy
> Orbison related CD: David Box - If You Can't Say Something
> Nice (Candix) 1962 Written by Roy Orbison-Joe Melson-Ray Rush
As far as I know, this is not out on a CD, even a boot, yet.
It just came out on a CD produced by his sister, with all the
material he released and a lot more. Available from
http://www.davidbox.net My check's already in the mail - and
that ISN'T one of the three great lies!
Steve Grant;
> Continuing the Al Casey thread:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2540782073&ssPageName=A
Excellent history. Thank you!
Short post tonight - more soon!
Country Paul
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 01:11:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew
Subject: Re. Johnny & the Hurricanes
David Coyle asked:
> NEUTRONS - "Julia" b/w "Cut-Out" (Golden Triangle 1002)
> Out of curiosity, is the b-side of this the same song
> as recorded by Johnny & The Hurricanes? If so, which
> came first?
I've never heard Johnny & the Hurricanes' "Cut-Out,"
and neither has the man I mentioned previously. However, both
sides of the Neutrons single were written by one Guy Lore, who
was apparently a band member; so if this is the same "Cut-Out"
that the Hurricanes did, then the Neutrons did it first, circa
1963-64.
By the way, are you familiar with a Johnny & the Hurricanes
single, "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" b/w "Shadows," on the
Mala label? I've got a copy.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:13:42 -0600
From: Dave Mirich
Subject: Nuggets II
Art wrote:
> Anybody else pick up the latest issue of Uncut magazine?
> It has a bonus CD of British psych and was a real bargain
> at only eight bucks. The track by Dantalion's Chariot alone
> was worth the price. Also got to hear My Friend Jack by the
> Smoke for the first time. Excellent.
Art, if you like what you heard on the Uncut CD, you will flip
over the Nuggets II box. I've probably listened to it 100
times and continue to be fascinated by most of it. What an
education! Good job Andrew S. and crew.
Dave Mirich
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 05:20:16 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Chad Stuart solo album
Art Longmire:
> Another album I wish somebody would issue on CD is the one
> by Chad Stuart that originally came out on Bell records back
> in 1968. I'm surprised this album hasn't gotten more attention
> ...it's a Bill Traut Dunwich production and is every bit as
> good as "Cabbages and Kings" and "The Ark".
Could you please supply more info on this solo LP, i.e. rec #,
track listing,
Thanx in advance,
JJ
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:01:09 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: For Will George
Hi Will, it was YOU - "the guy with the Jackie DeShannon
T-shirt" - whose name I could not recall. And you introduced
me to Phil Chapman. I was trying to remember the song that
Jackie DeShannon was singing in an auto scrapyard on "Where
The Action Is". It was "I Can Make It With You".
Talk to you soon,
Tony Leong
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:30:36 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Roy Orbison answer song
Simon White wrote:
> Not sure if this counts but I have a 45 answer record to
> "Pretty Woman" called "Lovin Man" in a more country syle,
> but with the same beat. I cant remember the artiste so I'll
> have to dig it out.
and now I'm writing this:
Found it. It's called "Lovin' Man (Oh Pretty Woman)" credited
to R. Orbison/B. Dees and is by Arlene Harden on Columbia 445120.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:05:08 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: More on Roy
Spectropoppers may find this amusing or disturbing. I thought
it was one of the funniest things I ever saw and in a very
sweet way:
http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/karl.htm
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:39:07 -0000
From: Ron
Subject: Re: The Forum, Bobby Rydell
Art Longmire wrote:
> ...the Grass Roots also recorded "River" but I like the
> Forum original best. I also have a version of the tune by
> Bobby Rydell that is interesting in that it has several
> extra verses.....
I would love to hear the Bobby Rydell version of "The River
Is Wide". Finding that version has been a quest of mine for
many years. I was under the impression that his was the
original. I was also under the impression that he did the
original version of "Lovin' Things", another quest. But then
again my impressions have apparently been altering with age.
Ron
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:40:53 +0100
From: Guy Lawrence
Subject: Re:The Songs of Baker Knight/Round Robin
Ian wrote:
> Baker Knight is a songwriter whose greatest successes include
> the million-selling hits for Rick Nelson, "Lonesome Town" and
> "There'll Never Be Anyone Else But You" and Elvis' "The Wonder
> Of You". But for the girl-group/Spectorsound aficionados
> amongst us, he is more readily known as the man responsible
> for such minor classics such as the Delicates' "Comin' Down
> With Love", the Blossoms' "Deep Into My Heart" and my
> personal favourite, Timi Yuro's utterly wonderful "Teardrops
> Till Dawn".
There's even more variety to the Baker Knight canon. He supplied
bespoke teen pop to the likes of Dino, Desi & Billy and Nancy
Sinatra and wrote the haunting psychedelic waltz "Shifting
Sands" for the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band. He also
wrote the horror-punk rocker "I'm The Wolfman" for my man Round
Robin and supplied first rate Bubblegum to cereal spin-offs the
Sugar Bears.
Talking of Round Robin, Mick and I are planning a little Spectropop
page dedicated to him. Therefore I'd like to renew my appeal for
anything relating to the King of Slauson - information, scans and
above all pictures will be gratefully received and a copy of my
"Best Of" CDR will be sent in return. Please get in touch with me
off-list if you can help.
Regards,
Guy.
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:16:29 -0000
From: Bill Craig
Subject: Re: Orbisongs
Bill Craig:
> Just thought of another by a mid-'80s band, Cock Robin.
> The song is called "When Your Heart Is Weak". It's an obvious
> homage to R.O.
Country Paul responded:
> I love the song, but I don't hear the obvious homage. I do
> hear the influence in Chris Isaak, though (thanks, Bill George).
I guess I overstated the obvious aspect of the song's depth to
The Big O. Influence is in the ear of the beholder. Structurally'
"When Your Heart Is Weak" doesn't fit the criteria of the building
to a big dramatic finish, but vocal style and voice quality
immediately struck me as derivative (in a good way) of Roy. Also
thematically I think this is a song I could easily hear him doing.
Certainly the Chis Isaak rockabilly balladeer sound is a direct
descendant of Roy.
Sorry to have missed the party. Babysitting coverage fell through.
Hope to catch the next one.
Regards,
Bill Craig
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:34:23 +0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Rudy Clark
Does anyone know if Rudy "Good Lovin'" Clark is still alive
and active in the music industry?
Stuff
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:44:51 EDT
From: John Fox
Subject: Darlene Love
Re: Dance With The Guitar Man / Darlene Love
As I once wrote in a 1985 magazine article on my favorite singer,
"In 1963, Darlene Love had more aliases than Lee Harvey Oswald."
And don't forget Darlene & The Blossoms on the lead vocals for
Dick Dale's "King of the Surf Guitar" (didn't chart), and backing
up one of the all-time great minor hits, "Kick That Little Foot
Sally Ann" by Round Robin (one of the artists, by the way,
about whom Joel Whitburn can add absolutely nothing for his Top
Pop singles listing!)
John Fox
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:20:27 +0000
From: David A. Young
Subject: Spector/Starsailor
The new NME has a feature on the upcoming Starsailor album
arriving in September, as well as member James Walsh's
impressions of working with Phil. Only two of the Spector
tracks have been selected for release, including the album's
title cut, "Silence Is Easy," due out as a single a couple
of weeks before the full-length.
Read more here: http://www.nme.com/news/105392.htm
David
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:03:43 +0100
From: Amber
Subject: The Actionettes
Sugars, Cherubs, Sunbeams, Darlings,
A little bird informs me that many of my new London chums will
again be out on the town at the Actionettes next extravaganza,
a Summer Special to be held at the Water Rats, 328 Grays Inn
Road, Kings Cross, London on Saturday July 26th. If I can sneak
out again, I'll be there in my best little floral number. I hear
our very own Miss Elisabeth has been invited to join the
glittering Actionettes on stage and will be debuting two new
summery additions to her repertoire. I can hardly wait. I have
placed a flyer in the photo section. Is there no end to my
talents?! :-)
For flyer:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/vwp?.dir=/&.dnm=The+Actionettes+Summer+Special.jpg&.src=gr&.view=t
AvT
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:50:00 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Attack
> I almost had a caniption when they sang "Attack". The lead was
> dead on. And those harmonies....better than rekkids even!
That was my favorite tune they sang, and I can't get the chorus
out of my head. Who sang the original?
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:11:27 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Re: I Could Have Loved You So Well
Hi Don,
Yes I'd love to hear Jimmy Beaumont's version of "I Could Have Loved..."
and, if asked for, I could play Jack Bedient/Chessmen's take on the song.
Although musica is crammed full of good tunes at present.
I mentioned wishing to hear a 'real' vocalist on this song but omitted to
mention that The Big 'O' himself could, and should, have done the Goffin/
Mann song justice.
Vocally - before hearing Jimmy B's (What two of 'em!) - I'd have to give
the golden tonsil award to Britain's own Jan Burnette. She released tons
of records (some are pretty good!) and, despite her vocal being a bit
'straight', she successfully reaches the climax without sounding as if
she's turned purple and about to collapse!
Martin
PS Dear Amber,
I am very impressed with your talents in uploading flyers (among other
things) but sorry, you will need to work harder on giving the address.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:05:42 +0100
From: Amber
Subject: Re: The Actionettes
Cheeky monkey Martin wrote:
> PS Dear Amber, I am very impressed with your talents in
> uploading flyers (among other things) but sorry, you will
> need to work harder on giving the address.
Martin, you flirtatious florist, you,
Oh dear, was the unbelievably long URL I quoted too long for you
to handle? Poor babeeeeeeeeeeeeee! It worked for me, I swear.
Send out a search party for your reading spex and then try this
shorter one: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/
The Actionettes flyer is located at bottom right. Keep fingering
it and watch it get bigger and bigger.
Gotta trot, there's a pyjama party in Joey Heatherton's cell, I
mean room, tonight and the ice cubes in my fanny bag are melting.
AvT
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:04:50 -0600
From: Dave Mirich
Subject: Re: DC5
At the oldies show this weekend I saw Mike Smith, the singer
from the Dave Clark 5 with his band doing the old hits. He
said it was the first time he has toured the US since '67.
He sounded pretty good. I wonder if he has to pay DC for
singing his songs? Apparently DC is more interested these
days in chasing bootleggers than releasing new, remastered,
repackaged product from the vaults. I wonder what he has been
doing all these years? Recluse is often the word associated
with his name.
Dave Mirich
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:10:17 -0000
From: Art Longmire
Subject: Re: The Forum, Bobby Rydell
Me:
> ...the Grass Roots also recorded "River" but I like the
> Forum original best. I also have a version of the tune by
> Bobby Rydell that is interesting in that it has several
> extra verses.....
Ron:
> I would love to hear the Bobby Rydell version of "The River
> Is Wide". Finding that version has been a quest of mine for
> many years. I was under the impression that his was the
> original. I was also under the impression that he did the
> original version of "Lovin' Things", another quest. But then
> again my impressions have apparently been altering with age.
Hello, Ron!
Thanks for your info, it never occurred to me that Rydell's version
might be the first. The version as performed by the Forum is actually
the last couple of verses, Rydell's is the complete song. I just
thought that the song was one of those tunes that was widely recorded
by numerous artists. For instance I have a copy of the song "Midnight
Confessions" by a group called The Evergreen Blues and several years
after getting it found that it was the original version.
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