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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Barry White R.I.P.
From: Mick Patrick
2. Re: Chiffons
From: Tony Leong
3. Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne
From: Mick Patrick
4. Re: Mindbenders/Toni Wine-Carole Bayer Sager
From: JJ
5. Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl"
From: Country Paul
6. Re: Chiffons
From: Will Stos
7. Re: UK-based lovers of 60s girl-groups
From: Will Stos
8. The Shangri-Las
From: S'pop Team
9. Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl"
From: Mick Patrick
10. Re: Run To My Lovin' Arms
From: Mick Patrick
11. Re: Chico's Girl - Cynthia Weil Speaks!
From: Mick Patrick
12. Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne
From: Ken Mortimer
13. Re: The Liquid Room 6/28/2003
From: Don
14. Re: "Somebody Else's Girl"
From: Country Paul
15. Artie Wayne; more on Terry Knight; other notes
From: Country Paul
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:25:26 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Barry White R.I.P.
Dear All,
Sad news. Barry White has died. Read more here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3046650.stm
Mick Patrick
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 05:02:39 -0000
From: Tony Leong
Subject: Re: Chiffons
David, Hi!!! The Sylvia led "One Fine Day" was only a studio take.
As far as I can imagine, her vocal was probably erased. She IS NOT
on the released recording at all!!! Judy sang in the background, then
before the song was released, her vocal was put up front.
Pat told me she had an acetate of the recording for the unreleased
"Gee How I Love That Boy". Interestingly enough, she also said that
originally, she cut the lead on "Mystic Voice". Then, the Tokens
mixed Judy's voice higher than the other girls even tough in the
finished product, they are all singing in unison.
Sylvia wished that she sang the lead on "What Am I Gonna Do With
You??" But, Judy's vocals were amazing on that recording--I WISH I
had it on a CD!!!!!!! Tony Leong
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:19:12 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne
Hey la,
Good news and bad. The good news is I found the cassette
containing the much talked about "Don't Wanna Cry Again" by
the Myrtelles, the first record by Sue & Sunny (Oriole CB
1805, 1963). The bad news is that the tape contains only part
of the song. Whatever, I've posted the track to musica for all
to hear: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Actually, the track is kinda cute, considering the duo's very
tender years. As you know, the song was written by Mark Barkan
and Artie Wayne. It seems that there is no U.S. version of this
number. That means that the Myrtelles, or rather, their A&R man,
must have found the song at a Music Publishers office in Tin Pan
Alley, here in London. I guess there must be (or must *have*
been) an acetate copy of the original demo version in existence.
I wouldn't mind betting that, should such an acetate exist, the
vocalist turns out be Ellie Greenwich. Miss Ellie did, after all,
write songs with each of the composers concerned and was Mark
Barkan's favourite demo singer. I WANT it and I want it NOW!
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 14:20:27 -0000
From: JJ
Subject: Re: Mindbenders/Toni Wine-Carole Bayer Sager
> ...a BIG FAVE is the UK Fontana ī66 45, "Canīt live with you,
> canīt live without you", by THE MINDBENDERS.....wr. by Toni Wine
> & C.B. Sager.
Can anyone help me to find out if there was a US orig on this tr,
and by whom?
JJ/Sweden
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:43:07 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl"
Stop the presses! (Unless you already have this for the Orbison
"sounds similar" collection):
Has anyone brought up "Somebody Else's Girl" (lyric: "Am I building
my whole world around somebody else's girl")? I know there's a Billy
Fury hit version in the UK, but I think there's a US original -
except I can't remember who did it! (And my records are filed
alphabetically.) The writer is identified as "Montgomery." Any help,
please?
Country Paul
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:14:17 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: Chiffons
Mick Patrick wrote:
> By my reckoning, the Chiffons released 50-odd tracks on Laurie,
> enough for a double CD, but perhaps not a box-set. But not *all*
> of the tracks are that great. I'm thinking of "Da Doo Ron Ron"
> and "The Loco-Motion", for starters.
I agree. Some of the filler on the albums sounded like it was
recorded in one or two takes, but the Sweet Talking Guy album was
very good, and some of the cuts on My Secret Love are also good
enough for reissue in my opinion. "Remember Me Baby," "Strange
Strange, Feeling," and "Every Boy and Every Girl" are really quite
good. Plus I have yet to find "Love Me Like You're Gonna Lose Me,"
or "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)" on CD. For that matter,
some of the songs they did backing for like Andrea Carroll's "The Doo-
lang" or some of the sides with Hoagy Lands sound so much like the
group they could fit right on to a compilation.
Mick and Malcolm's 1990/1991 Greatest Hits CD on Ace was the last big
collection of their work to my knowledge (the Marginal Best of package
was a bootleg) And as much as I love the Great Hits CD to the point
where it's almost worn out, I'd love to hear more of their later 60s
songs together in one collection.
The Ace/Westside labels seem to be the only ones releasing quality
packages with good audio. Any chance they'd be interested in a
Chiffons' double CD? Or even another single crammed with as much as
possible? BTW Mick, I just got Where The Girls Are Vol. 5 in the
mail, and I love it! Especially the Sweet Things cut.
Will : )
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:22:24 -0000
From: Will Stos
Subject: Re: UK-based lovers of 60s girl-groups
Chris D. King wrote:
> Dear UK-based Spectropoppers - Just to let you know that Da Doo
> Ron Ron - the one & only 60s girl group club - follows up its
> June sell-out with its monthly shindig on Friday July 11th @
> the Sussex Arts Club, 07 Ship Street, Brighton, BN1. Tel:-01273-
> 778020. 9pm - 2am. Ģ4 on the door. Da doo DJs Chris 'Da Doo'
> King & Si Bridger spin their familiar mix of 60s girly sounds
> a-go-go from the likes of The Ronettes, Dusty, Supremes,
> Marvelettes, Lesley Gore, Barbara Lewis, Chris Clark, Shangri-
> Las, Petula, Lulu, Helen Shapiro, Vandellas, Brenda Holloway,
> Shirley Bassey & so on. You'll NEVER hear a MALE lead vocal @
> DDRR! We're celebrating our 5th Birthday in October this year.
> DDRR web-site: http://clubdadooronron.users.btopenworld.com/
> DDRR flyer: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/
Hi Chris,
I visited your club's site and noticed that you may have a
compilation CD coming out soon with your favourite tracks. Any
news about its progress? Also, do you have a tentative track
listing posted anywhere? Sadly, I live on the other side of the
pond and outside of your site's Top 20 lists, I'm not familiar
with the club's favourite tunes.
Will : )
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:15:27 +0100
From: S'pop Team
Subject: The Shangri-Las
New at S'pop: Shangri-Las '77! by Phil Milstein
In 1977, inspired by new wave acts like Blondie and the Ramones,
the Shangri-Las emerged from a decade-long exile to record a
comeback album. The project was eventually aborted and the
ladies returned to the shadows. For the amazing full story:
http://www.spectropop.com/Shangri-Las/index.htm
The article is loaded with rare pictures, so please allow a
moment for it to download.
Enjoy!
The S'pop Team
Spectropop - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:13:44 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Orbisonic: "Somebody Else's Girl"
Country Paul wrote:
> Stop the presses! (Unless you already have this for the Orbison
> "sounds similar" collection): Has anyone brought up "Somebody
> Else's Girl" (lyric: "Am I building my whole world around
> somebody else's girl")? I know there's a Billy Fury hit version
> in the UK, but I think there's a US original - except I can't
> remember who did it! (And my records are filed alphabetically.)
> The writer is identified as "Montgomery." Any help, please?
Hey la,
"Somebody Else's Girl" by Billy Fury! What a fabulous record. UK
record buyers thought so too because this great track reached # 18
on the charts here in the Autumn of 1963. Me and my best friend
Paul thought it was the bee's knees and would sing it for anyone
that asked, and for those who didn't! Billy was my first idol. Hey,
you should have seen my quiff back then! Paul and I were known as
the Brylcream Twins. Forty years later, I'm seriously thinking of
re-adopting that style, before it all falls out. I agree, a track
by Billy is a *must* for any imaginary "Orbisonic" compilation.
Now, regarding a US original version of the song: Adam Charles
released a 45 of the very same title on US Dot 16459 in 1963. I've
never heard it, so I'm not sure if it's the number concerned.
Anyone?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 23:24:09 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Run To My Lovin' Arms
Martin Roberts wrote:
> ...I bought 3 ten inch female-voiced Screen Gems Columbia
> demos, recorded at Dick Charles Recording Studios, NYC.
> Musically, only one is of interest, "Run To My Lovin' Arms".
> The song was of course released; perhaps best known in the
> UK as sung by Billy Fury and in the US by April Young...
Hey la,
The best-known US version of "Run To My Lovin' Arms" (although
maybe not the original) was by that great black balladeer Lenny
Welch, for whom it reached the fag-end of the Hot 100 late in
1965. The Billy Fury rendition - # 25 on the UK charts a few
months earlier - is quite fabulous.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:43:26 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Chico's Girl - Cynthia Weil Speaks!
Way back, I wrote:
> The Girls were a Los Angeles sister act comprising Diane, Sylvia,
> Rosemary and Margaret Sandoval. Curiously, I am in possession of
> a taped interview with the lyricist Cynthia Weil in which she claims
> that she sang lead on this version of "Chico's Girl". I tend to
> think she might be mistaken, but you never know. Whatever, it's one
> GREAT record.
Mary replied:
> Mick, I am a friend of the group who recorded "Chico's Girl".
> Margaret Sandoval was the lead singer on it, not Cynthia Weil. It
> would be great to hear the taped interview you have.
Hey la,
Any friend of the Girls is a friend of mine! Your wish is my command,
even though it's past midnight, Mary (HA!). I have posted an edit of
the Cynthia Weil interview to musica. She and Barry Mann are in
conversation with S'pop's very own Alan Warner, of their publishing
company EMI Music. To hear it, just click here, and select "Cynthia
Weil Speaks": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Cynthia *must* be mistaken about singing lead on the Girls' "Chico's
Girl". Perhaps she sang the original demo, or something? Who knows?
> I am in the process of setting up a web site dedicated to The
> Girls. As soon as it's published, probably in a couple of days, I
> will be back with the link for all the fans of The Girls.
I can hardly wait. I want that link, and I want it NOW!
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:53:19 +0100
From: Ken Mortimer
Subject: Re: The Myrtelles sing Artie Wayne
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Good news and bad. The good news is I found the cassette
> containing the much talked about "Don't Wanna Cry Again" by
> the Myrtelles, the first record by Sue & Sunny (Oriole CB
> 1805, 1963). The bad news is that the tape contains only part
> of the song. Whatever, I've posted the track to musica for all
> to hear: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Thanks for posting the Myrtelles track, Mick. It's really brilliant
to be able to hear some of it (I had begun to wonder if it had ever
actually been released - as I've yet to see a copy even advertised
for sale). It is an early recording and Sue and Sunny do sound
young. Having said that, the vocals on the chorus show evidence of
those brilliant harmonies for which Sue and Sunny were later to be
in so much demand.
Thanks again
Ken
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 04:03:25 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Re: The Liquid Room 6/28/2003
David,
Is there any way to listen to the Liquid Room after it has aired?
I couldn't figure it out. I really want to hear Them doing "You're
Just What I Was Looking For Today"
Don
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:49:20 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Re: "Somebody Else's Girl"
Country Paul wrote:
> Has anyone brought up "Somebody Else's Girl"? I know there's a
> Billy Fury hit version in the UK, but I think here's a US
> original - except I can't remember who did it!
Mick Patrick wrote:
> ...regarding a US original version of the song: Adam Charles
> released a 45 of the very same title on US Dot 16459 in 1963.
> I've never heard it, so I'm not sure if it's the number
> concerned. Anyone?
Yes, I believe that's the one. I thought I had it, either on vinyl
or tape, but I don't. A new quest begins!
Way behind in the discussion - probably more stuff later - but I
thought this had "time value," so here it is.
Country Paul
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 02:09:12 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Artie Wayne; more on Terry Knight; other notes
Artie Wayne:
> I also have a chance to give a special thanks, in the dedication
> section to those of you who have helped me locate my past....
> http://www.geocities.com/artie_wayne/index.html
Artie, your website is a treat - the new stuff is fun and informative,
and your discography is truly impressive. You seem blessed to have
been everywhere when stuff was happening! (I mean, producing The
Kingsmen, The Shirelles, AND Hermione Gingold - now that's "range"!)
And thank you for the dedication - I wish I'd done something (besides
dig lots of your music) to deserve it!
And in the Acknowledgements Department, Martin Roberts, your June 27th
post in tribute to Jamie (who I never met, but felt as though I knew)
is beautiful. He's probably smiling over how his baby has grown - and
is growing.
Simon wrote:
> Can anyone shed some light on Terry Knight?....
Rat Pfink wrote:
> Terry Knight and The Pack recorded two LPs (I think) for Cameo-
> Parkway before Knight gave up vocals and became full-time manager
> for the band, which was renamed Grand Funk Railroad...
His notoriety extended to a group on a United Artists-distributed
label, Brown Bag, called Mom's Apple Pie, whose first album (1972)
featured (1) an unsubtle-to-say-the-least cover illustration
masquerading as "hip" and (2) some of the most overhyped ho-hum music
pressed into vinyl. Here are Stephane Rebeschini and Ed Worcester's
notes in Fuzz Acid & Flowers:
"This ten-piece outfit is sometimes described as 'psychedelic,'
probably because they covered Spirit's Mr Skin on their debut album.
They were in fact a horn rock group and as such both albums are best
avoided. The cover of the original pressing of their debut is curious;
it features a painting of a maid holding an apple pie, with a slice
removed to reveal a vagina inside the apple pie. The second pressing
is censored with the vagina being replaced by a barbed wire wall!
This album was produced by Kenneth Hamann. The band are thought to
have been affiliated with Terry Knight."
Despite the published production credit, Knight was said to have
produced it himself, according to the pre-release promotion blitz
we were subjected to. Needless to say, upon viewing and listening,
his credibility in the progressive rock community sank like a stone!
David Ponak played on his show:
> Terry Callier/900 Miles - The New Folk Sounds Of (Prestige)
Has this been reissued? I've been hearing a lot about it - and him -
lately.
Country Paul
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