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Volume #0099 June 13, 1998
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Danny D. Thanx Thee
Subject: Re: Stereo/Mono singles
Sent: 06/12/98 3:41 am
Received: 06/12/98 7:57 am
From: Mark Easter, MCE1XXX@XXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
In a message dated 98-06-11 14:15:49 EDT, Javed writes:
<< I know in Canada most of the singles released till at least 1970
were in mono with the very rare stereo mixes. I have quite a few
American pressings of singles from 1968 to 70 and some of these
are in stereo. When did American companies start to release
singles predominantly in Stereo? Some of the stereo songs on my
recent Rhino comp include "Twelve Thirty" by the Mamas & Papas and
"Lets Live For Today" by the Grassroots both of which are from 1967.
My question is, were these songs released in both mono and
stereo as singles or only stereo? I'm just surprised there were
not more stereo versions on the Rhino comps. >>
Well, it's funny you mention those two in particular, as those
were both on Dunhill/ABC, who apparently ditched most of their
mono tapes sometime in the early '70's. Thus, the reason you never
get the original single versions of things like Steppenwolf's
"Magic Carpet Ride" with the very different lead vocal, or "I Saw
Her Again" by the Mamas and the Papas on compilations (however,
both of these appear on the recent Dick Bartley "On the Radio"
comps on Varese, the former from a none-too-clean copy of the
single, and the latter from a recently-found tape of an LP
compilation of various Dunhill artists released in '67 or so).
Many Dunhill mono single versions differ greatly, and are usually
better mixed compared to the stereos.
There are other songs on those sets, like the Lovin' Spoonful's
"Six O'clock" which are in stereo as well for similar reasons; the
mono's just aren't easy to turn up, or at least weren't at the
time. I personally like those Summer of Love sets for the very
reason (mono content) that some people don't, as for a long time
they were the only way of getting a lot of songs in their original
single versions (and still is in a few cases... Parade's "Sunshine
Girl" comes to mind).
As far as when stereo 45's started popping up, RCA was releasing
stereo singles on Elvis and other artists in 1960, but other
labels started releasing sporadic stereo singles (I love
alliteration!) in '68 or so. The Millennium's "5 AM" 45 on
Columbia is one of the earliest ones I've turned up. Other labels,
like Motown, did nothing but mono singles up to '71. So, I'd say
the turning point for more stereo than mono 45's was 1970, based
on my own collection, anyway!
Mark
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Subject: Re: Stereo/Mono Singles
Sent: 06/12/98 10:02 am
Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am
From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXrax.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
CC: Javed Jafri, jjaXXX@XXXgers.com
Javed Jafri commented on the SpectroPop List:
>These posts about stereo mixes reminded me about the
>disappointment I felt recently when I purchased two Rhino
>comps. I think they were called "The Summer Of Love Vol.
>1 & 2". I was disappointed to find that most of the mixes
>were from the original singles and in mono. Out of the 32
>tracks only a few are in stereo.
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I had several conversations with Rhino compilation producer Bill
Inglot about this stereo/mono issue in the late 1980s, and he told
me that his philosophy was, "if the song has already been released
25 times in stereo, but has only rarely been released in mono, he
would try to find the original mono single mix and put that out
instead."
In general, I think he's right, if -- and this is a big IF -- the
stereo versions are already very widely available.
The SUMMER OF LOVE series was a mid-line/budget release, and a
quick check of the two volumes' contents reveals that everything
on there has, in fact, been out many, many times on other CDs:
Sunshine Company - "Back on the Street Again" (2:27 mono)
Sonny & Cher - "The Beat Goes On" (3:24 mono)
Donovan - "Epistle to Dippy" (3:09 mono)
Harpers Bizarre - "The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)"
(2:34 mono - single vers.)
Marcia Strassman - "The Flower Children" (3:06 mono)
Youngbloods - "Get Together" (4:39 mono - sl. hiss & d.o.'s)
The Rascals - "Groovin'" (2:28 mono - single mix)
Love Generation - "Groovy Summertime" (2:22 mono)
Electric Prunes - "I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)" (2:58 mono)
Strawberry Alarm Clock - "Incense and Peppermints" (2:47 mono)
Peanut Butter Conspiracy - "It's a Happening Thing" (2:22 mono)
Hollies - "King Midas in Reverse" (3:07 mono)
Spanky & Our Gang - "Lazy Day" (3:05 mono)
The Grass Roots - "Let's Live for Today" (2:47 stereo)
Hombres - "Let It Out (Let It All Hang Out)" (2:08 mono)
The Troggs - "Love Is All Around" (2:59 mono)
Sagittarius - "My World Fell Down" (3:46 mono - ext. single vers.)
The Box Tops - "Neon Rainbow" (2:54 mono)
Cowsills - "The Rain, the Park & Other Things" (3:00 mono - single mix)
Friend & Lover - "Reach Out of the Darkness" (3:16 mono)
The Animals featuring Eric Burdon - "San Franciscan Nights" (3:23 mono)
Scott McKenzie - "San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)"
(2:58 mono)
The Lovin' Spoonful - "Six O'clock" (2:42 stereo)
Parade - "Sunshine Girl" (2:43 mono - single mix)
Rainy Daze - "That Acapulco Gold" (2:28 mono)
Mamas & The Papas - "Twelve Thirty (Young Girls Are Coming to the Canyon)"
(3:21 stereo)
The 5th Dimension - "Up -- Up and Away" (2:39 mono)
Procol Harum - "A Whiter Shade of Pale" (3:58 mono)
The Association - "Windy" (2:54 mono)
A few of the songs are known to be relatively rare in mono. (Heck,
the Marcia Strassman track is pretty hard to find, period.) Some
are _only_ out in mono, as far as I know, like The Troggs' "Love
Is All Around."
To me, this is one of these "the glass is not half-empty, it's
half-full" deals. In other words, be glad to have the mono
versions available as an alternative to the stereo that's been
released on many other CD compilations.
--MFW
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0098
Sent: 06/12/98 10:50 am
Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am
From: Billy G. Spradlin, bilXXX@XXXe.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
I'm really sorry about all my confusion about "19th Nervous
Breakdown", my brother borrowed that CD, and I haven't heard it in
a awhile (I need to snag it back!)! Honestly, I would love to hear
that song in stereo if anyone lands a copy of it. I just wonder if
there are more 64-66 tracks that are lurking in the Polydor/Abkco
vaults that were never released in true stereo, and I wonder if
"Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby" was ever released in stereo. We
will probably never hear them....
Andrew Loog Oldham was a huge fan of Phil Spector (even tried to
look like him) and always preferred mono over stereo. I remember
reading a story in Musican Magazine about the release of the
Abkco CD's, and he said that the stereo version of "Mothers Little
Helper" on Hot Rocks Vol. 2 sounded like Herman's Hermits!
The stereo mixes of "Satisfaction" and "Get off My Cloud" are very
different sounding compared to the mono mixes. There are things
that are up front in the mixes that are buried in the mono
versions, such as the acoustic guitar and piano on "Satisfaction"
and that very strange guitar lick played throughout "Get Off My
Cloud"!
I remember Dick Bartley playing a true stereo mix of The Chiffons
"He's So Fine" on his "Solid Gold Saturday Night" radio show back
in the 80's. But I have never found the stereo mix anywhere on CD!
On the Angels "My Boyfriend's Back" CD that was released on Mercury
a couple years ago, there is a version of "He's So Fine" with the
same backing track with the Angels dubbed over. And its in true
stereo!
Billy
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Subject: Mono VS Stereo
Sent: 06/12/98 10:59 am
Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am
From: Billy G. Spradlin, bilXXX@XXXe.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Mono VS Stereo:
The interesting thing with me is that grew up on the stereo
versions of most 60's oldies via FM oldies radio and record
company re-issues in the 70's-80's which used the stereo mixes
(especially Motown). So when I hear a Mono 45 mix that sounds
drastically different or has different balances of instruments it
doesn't sound like the "real" version to me. I remember hearing the
mono 45 mix of the Supremes "You Can't Hurry Love" and preferring
the stereo mix most oldies stations play. Then again, I think the
Beach Boys "Fun Fun Fun", The Hollies "Look Through Any Window",
The Temptations "My Girl" are much better sounding in mono than the
weaker stereo mixes.
Any Comments?
Billy G.
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Subject: Hey, Vaudeville!
Sent: 06/12/98 4:33 pm
Received: 06/13/98 12:46 am
From: George Handlon, gXXX@XXXink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Spectropop List wrote:
>
>Marty Rudnick, mrudnXXX@XXXo.com wrote:
>
>>How about "Lady Godiva" by Peter & Gordon?
>
>/Marty
>
>I left this off my first post but there's also "Grizzly Bear" by the
>Youngbloods which I think just "barely" cracked the Top 40 in early 1967.
>
>Javed
> -----------------
Hey, Vaudeville! Well, my dad was on the 1935 Tour with the Major
Bowes Amateur Troupe - up the East Coast into Canada and Midwest.
Also on that tour were Billy Finegan (later of Sauter-Finegan fame)
who was just out of High School - and knocking them dead with
his young jazz band. Wyoming Jack OBrien, and Diamond Tooth Mary!
(Later known as Diamond Teeth Mary - she only had one diamond in
her teeth in 1935... and it was given to her by Major Bowes
himself - to fill a cavity she had! Dad was billed as "John Jewell
- the World's Greatest Banjo Player". He was playing adaptations of
classical melodies on the Banjo, solo. (Orpheus in the Underworld,
Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto, etc.) I still have his Tenor
Gold-plated Vega Banjo.
I really enjoyed the "Vaudeville" songs of the psychedelic 60s...
& I think it really was put in motion by "Winchester Cathedral".
One singer I've not seen mentioned - and he was the best: Harry
Nilsson. How about, "Nobody Cares About the Railroads Anymore"?
The Album "Pandemonium Shadow Show" was a revelation, as was
"Aerial Ballet". "She Sang Hymns Out Of Tune", "1941", "Cuddly Toy".
Also, "Daddy's Song", and "Good Old Desk". And, you may recall -
"Mr. Bojangles" (Jerry Jeff Walker). Great music.
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George "Ojisan" Handlon
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Subject: Close Your Eyes
Sent: 06/13/98 3:33 pm
Received: 06/13/98 3:46 am
From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXX@XXXies.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
I wrote:
>I personally think (Spector) did both Home of the Brave and
>Close Your Eyes by Bonnie...
Paul URbahns replied:
>According to the producer of Home Of The Brave, the label
>credit is correct, Spector didn't do it.
>
>The record credits Jerry Riopell as the producer. In an article
>I saw a few years ago with him he took credit for the record. It
>is not mentioned in Ronnie Spector's book at all. Does anybody
>know who is singing on this gem?
It is my understanding that Bonnie (of Bonnie and the Treasures)
was in real life session singer Charlotte Maseny (sp?). Charlotte
lived near Santa Monica and Vine, and as a regular at Gold Star
recording dates, became nicknamed by Stan, Dave and the Gold Star
staff as Charlotte O'Hara. I heard she died in her mid-30's from
breast cancer. The similarities to Ronnie Spector are mostly in
the tracks, not the voice. The rumor this was Ronnie must have
spread from the suggestion in the liner notes on one of the UK
Rare Masters albums.
Brad Elliott wrote:
>I thought it was fairly well accepted that "Things Are Changing"
>featured a Spector-produced track. From...Collecting Phil Spector:
>
>"The ['Things Are Changing'] backing track...was produced by
>Spector with Brain Wilson on piano...Jerry Riopelle recorded
>the Blossoms over Spector's track..."
Assuming the above is accurate, and I believe it is, Spector gave
Riopell the production credit on work that Riopell had only
marginally contributed to. This seems to have been the scenario on
the Bonnie records as well.
My theory goes something like this: Riopell met Bonnie hanging
around the Gold Star scene and asked Phil about signing her. (Sort
of like Bono did with Bonnie Jo Mason). Spector signed Bonnie with
the idea of training Riopell how to make Philles-sounding records
at her sessions. Phil was already shelving some of his own
(fantastic) productions for fear of having his name credited as
producer on a record that flopped, so he gave Riopell the
production credit and issued the single on his boutique label
Phi-Dan. Home of the Brave, a full blown wall of sound production,
reached only #77 on the charts. Jody Miller's version rose to #25.
Phil may have become disinterested in Bonnie after Home of the
Brave failed to hit, which would help explain what happened next.
On the afternoon of October 20, 1965, a group of musicians now
referred to as the Wrecking Crew assembled at Gold Star studio for
a Philles Records recording session. Philles employed Don Randi as
session leader. Other musicians Philles employed that day were
Harold Battiste, Gene Page, Al Casey, Carol Kaye, Julius Wechter,
Frank Capp etc. Also on the session payroll were Jerry Riopell and
one Phillip Harvey Spector. The song they cut for Philles that day
was Close Your Eyes (Riopell/Zekley).
Despite the above, Close Your Eyes was issued on Warner Brothers
Records, credited as arranged and produced by Jerry Riopell under
the "Fortune Productions" moniker. Does anyone know of other
"Fortune Productions?" I suspect not, but please readers do tell
of any other known releases under this banner.
Philles Records paid for and owned that recording. We know Philles
had Bonnie under contract because of the earlier Phi-Dan release of
Home of the Brave, yet Bonnie's Close Your Eyes was issued on Warner
Brothers. Either Spector sold the master to Warner Brothers/
Riopell, or else; Spector dropped Bonnie, and Riopell assembled
nearly the same Wrecking Crew musicians and recut the same song at
the same studio (Gold Star) for Warners.
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Subject: laurie chiffons vs. ace chiffons
Sent: 06/13/98 1:49 am
Received: 06/13/98 10:57 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
A 30-track Chiffons best-of, on Ace, has been mentioned here. I
myself have a 20-track best-of, on Laurie. Please, somebody with a
heart, tell me that I'm not missing anything on the extra 10 songs.
Otherwise I have to start digging around for yet another cd that I
can't afford.
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Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXX2.nj.us
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drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0098
Sent: 06/13/98 1:27 am
Received: 06/13/98 10:57 am
From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurbXXX@XXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Javed wrote:
<< I'm just surprised there were not more stereo versions on the
Rhino comps.>>
Rhino has gotten mono mania the last few years, I don't buy
anything on the label anymore. If it says in fine print on the
back made from original singles masters then leave it there. I
feel Rhino should mark MONO Cd's just that. There is no mono
standard for cd's. Sony intended them to be stereo, otherwise a
mono CD would have double the playing time of a stereo one. I feel
if Rhino wants to give us the mono sound they should give us the 3
inch speaker to go with it.
Don't want to sound like bad grapes but I don't like their
labeling policy today and have been burned by too many Rhino
purchases.
Paul URbahns
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