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Volume #0101 June 17, 1998
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featuring radio and recording favorites
Subject: Re: Stereo Stones
Sent: 06/16/98 3:10 am
Received: 06/16/98 7:59 am
From: Mark Easter, MCE1XXX@XXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
In a message dated 98-06-15 14:04:46 EDT, Brad writes:
<< BTW, two of the other stereo mixes on the tape are "It's All Over
Now" and "The Last Time," neither of which I have elsewhere in
stereo, but for some reason I seem to think that both of these
have been released commericially in stereo. Does anyone know where?
Neither is on the UK HOT ROCKS 1 CD. >>
The stereo "It's All Over Now" is on the "More Hot Rocks" original
UK CD release... I doubt the one available there now has it anymore
, though, due to Klein's bringing the worldwide catalog in line
with the lame US versions a few years back.
Hope that helps!
Mark
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Subject: Re: even rhino isn't perfect
Sent: 06/16/98 7:48 pm
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXrax.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Jeffrey Thames <KingoGrXXX@XXXm> commented on the Spectropop List:
>you know what i miss on rhino cd's?
>RUNNING TIMES!!!!!!
>grrrrrr...
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I've complained about this to Rhino compilation producer Bill
Inglot several times -- both that and lack of mono/stereo info.
His reply was that the CD covers and booklets are often printed
*months* before the CD is actually mastered, making it difficult to
guarantee that all these details between the actual song and the
printed material will match. Apparently, because of the economics
in the printing business, many record labels book X-amount of
printing time on a printing press, and do a whole bunch of jobs in
a set number of days. That might cover 50 releases for four or five
months, for a reissue label like Rhino.
Bill told me that he often works right up to the very day the CD
master has to ship to the pressing plant. Once in awhile, he's had
to go and cut in a last-minute replacement track to improve the
sound quality, which would render the printed info wrong if it
pertained to stereo/mono or running time.
I do object to Rhino's bad habit of not printing ANY label info on
the actual CD itself, which to me is inexcusable. Cool graphics are
one thing, but just printing a smiley face and _nothing else_ on a
disc surface is insanity. I want a track-by-track run-down of at
LEAST the song titles.
I think there's an E-Mail link at http://www.rhino.com
if you want
to bring the matter up to them there.
--MFW
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Subject: I have been searching for P.F. Sloan
Sent: 06/16/98 2:58 pm
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Scott Bauman, ScottBauXXX@XXXmsn.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
This past Saturday night, I attended a tribute to Harry Nilsson at
the Roxy in L.A. One of the performers was the elusive, reclusive
(?) P.F. Sloan.
This was the second time I've seen him perform live. The first
time was at the Pet Sounds Tribute Show here about a year ago
where he sang "Sloop John B." in a performance that I described as
"Alex Chilton on a bad night."
Well, on Saturday, Flip was a whole lot better. He sang "I Guess
the Lord Must Live In New York City" and "Jump Into the Fire"
backed by such power-poppers as Jason Falkner (ex-Jellyfish), Rik
Menck (Velvet Crush), and Parthenon Huxley. He seemed pretty
comfortable on stage, so I'm wondering why he doesn't do more live
appearances.
I was kind of surprised when he said that he had never met Harry.
I would have thought that their paths would have crossed at some
point.
-- Scott "If Only I Could Find the Fantastic Baggys CD" Bauman
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Subject: Imagination
Sent: 06/16/98 11:40 am
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Big L, biXXX@XXXmail.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
BTW - CD Now is taking advance orders for Brian Wilson's "
Imagination" at $11.95 for the CD.
==
Big L Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
biXXX@XXXmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9816
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Subject: Re: abkco
Sent: 06/16/98 8:46 am
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXX@XXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
from digest #100:
<< -- which just shows you how lame Allen Klein's people are at
distinguishing true stereo vs. mono vs. synth. stereo. Idiots... >>
i just finished reading jim dawson's excellent book, "the twist"
(all about the song, the dance, the marketing explosion, etc.), and
towards the end, dawson mentions the fact that klein owns all the
old cameo/parkway masters (so *that's* who, sez i to myself) and
appartently has no intentions of issuing them on cd (apart from a
dovells compilation mastered from vinyl rather than the masters...
one of the dovells was quoted as saying, "allen doesn't care"...
after reading about the stones packages here, i believe it)...this
book is a few years old and i was wondering if there have been any
developments or changes in this story...i found a u.k. cd pressing
of the original *96 tears* album on the merlin label a few years
back...would this be a boot? if so, the sound quality's rather
remarkable to my ears...
thanx,
jeff
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Subject: Re: jill gibson
Sent: 06/16/98 8:39 am
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrXXX@XXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
In a message dated 98-06-15 14:04:46 EDT, you write:
<< It's as easy as 1-2-3 (Jill Gibson, Imperial 66068 - mono) Never
had heard this before. Jan & Dean recorded this too, and to me
Jill Gibson (who co-penned this with Don Altfeld) sounds incredible
on ...Easy as 1-2-3 with her "relaxed" vocal style. >>
would this be the same jill gibson who temporarily replaced
michelle phillips in the mamas & the papas? i was under the
impression she couldn't really sing and was just hired because of
similar physical attributes to michelle...shows you what i know...
jeff
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Subject: Re: Jilly Gibson
Sent: 06/16/98 3:26 am
Received: 06/16/98 7:59 am
From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
>Jan produced this for Jill, and word has it that Jill was
>Jan's main squeeze at the time. Any more info on this? Hey Doc,
>it's on Imperial!
Not only does Jill's record share backing tracks with the j&D Lp
version -- it is Jill, not Dean, harmonizing on the "J&D" version!
Jill is also known as Jilly. Check the etching in the run-out
grooves of your 45 of "You ?really Know How TO Hurt A Guy!"
I spoke to Jill last year. She has not seen jan in about 30 years.
Other highlights of her resume - she filled in for Michelle in the
Mamas and Papas when Michelle got strung out and booted out in the
late 60s.
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Subject: Re: mono vs. stereo
Sent: 06/16/98 11:57 am
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Big L, biXXX@XXXmail.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Now we're on one of my hot subjects!
1. Records, up until the very late 60s, were mixed to be heard in
mono.
Absolutely true. In fact, up until 66 or so, most stereo mixes
were created simply by taking the 3 track, putting one track on
each side, and drums and vocals in the center.
Some engineers liked to play with the stereo as if it were a toy.
Listen to the _original_ mix of Diamond's "Solitary Man." The
vocals shift back and forth between tracks. Same thing for the
Rascal's "Good Lovin'."
An outstanding example is Hendrix' "Crosstown Traffic." The
background vocals move back and forth like cars on a busy street.
A bit later, it became popular to remix hit songs for stereo. This
was the heyday of mono versions being quite different than the
stereo one. Very popular in '67 - the Mamas and Papas, and the
Rascals were big on it.
MOST of the Rascals hits got this treatment - Lonely Too Long,
Groovin', A Girl Like You, It's Wonderful. And, in every case, the
mono version was better.
Mamas and Papas - Creeque Alley, I Saw Her Again, Words Of Love -
all different. ISHA has to be one of the worst fumbles ever - in
the stereo mix, the lead vocals alll but disappear.
Another example is Penny Lane - the original DJ copy (the one that
got played) was quite different - tighter, more solid, with a horn
coda at the end that is missing on all subsequent versions. How
many of you mentally supply that horn coda when you hear the song,
as I do?
One of the worst stereo mixes ever is Reach Out (I'll Be There.)
Even Dave Marsh comments on this. Get the 45 - any 45 - and it'll
blow that album version away.
==
Big L Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0100
Sent: 06/16/98 9:53 am
Received: 06/17/98 1:41 am
From: Robert Teyes, RTeXXX@XXXm
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Hello!
I just acquired the Lenny Bruce lp on the red and yellow label. I
understand Phil destroyed the master tapes of that lp when he
divorced Ronnie..out of anger...
Lala Brooks of the Crystals did a show here in NYC and I went to
see her..she signed my Crystals lps I brought along...
Ronnie Spector and Estelle and Nedra were at the court house on
Manhattan ...I went all week long...the judge played about 20
minutes of Be My Baby, Walking In the Rain, Baby i love you and
she even ( the judge) tapped her fingers to the beat...Ronnie's
husband was too over protective..Nedra and Estelle looked
beautiful!
More next time ...Love,.Robert the Ronette hound!.
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Subject: Warner/Spector & Big Tree/Spector
Sent: 06/16/98 8:51 am
Received: 06/16/98 8:06 am
From: john rausch, jXXX@XXXhio.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
hello everyone, this is my first posting to this great list and i
want to thank whoever recommended me. i am a great spector/
ronettes fan and would like to invite anyone interested to visit
my ronettes site at www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/
in response to tonys question on the warner/spector discography:
there is a really great book called "collecting phil spector" by
fitzpatrick/fogerty and is the "bible" to spectorphiles . the book
has all discography info on all spector labels ,U.S. and foriegn
and lists all the warner/spector/bigtree/polydor releases.
tony , if you want,email me and i will do my best to help you out
with any holes in your collection as i have the book
spectropop is great!!!
jon
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Subject: Warner/Spector & Big Tree/Spector
Sent: 06/17/98 1:51 am
Received: 06/17/98 1:59 am
From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXX@XXXies.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXies.com
Anthony G Pavick wrote:
>Does anyone have a discography of the 45s and lps and
>Warner/Spector and also Big Tree/ Spector...Phil's mid 70s
>labels.
Hi Anthony,
Take a look at http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/7666.
There is a
fairly comprehensive Phil Spector vinyl discography there. You can
take a look at back issues of Spectropop, too, if you like. It's
early days for the site, but luckily the Spector discog was the
first one to be put up.
>If I'm not mistaken, there were 10 45 rpm releases on W/S, and
>maybe 3 lps. As far as I know only one of the 45s came close to
>being a hit, and that was Soul Man by Calhoon. As luck would have
>it, it wasn't even produced by Phil!
Those Calhoon sides are quite annoying. There seems to be a story
here (why did Phil deliver such strange records to Warner/Spector?),
but the most probable answer is not really all that interesting I
suppose.
>I think I have most of them, but there are holes in my collection.
I should hope so! How else would you get the discs on the spindle?
;-)
--
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RodeoDrive/5030
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