__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0212 January 18, 1999 __________________________________________________________ DESIGNED TO ENHANCE IRREPLACEABLE MONOPHONIC RECORDINGSSubject: Oh, Linda! Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: Charles G. Hill, XXXXXXXX.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com > Recently, Carol Kaye mentioned long-time Gold Star engineer Stan > Ross in one of her fabulous dissertations...Does anyone remember > the record Stan put out with Bob Arbogast in 1958 called "Chaos"? > It was a satire on RnR radio of that time ("KOS, Kay-os Radio") > & was issued on Liberty 55197 but never charted. One of the > funniest records I've ever heard (being an ex-jock), complete > with fast-talking DJ & hilarious jingles - Altho' having copies > of the single, I've never seen it on a compilation, not even a > Demento comp...Can anyone supply some info if it has re-surfaced > anywhere??? In 1986, EMI America issued an LP (and presumably a cassette, maybe even a CD) titled "More Hits, More Often - Liberty Records: 1958-1963", which collected a number of singles from the period. On the LP, the two parts of "Chaos", described in Alan Warner's liner notes as "semi-legendary", bracket Side Two. This is the only time I've ever seen it in a compilation. > "It pays..to listen..to Kay-os... > But not to work here... > We wish..somebody'd..pay-os." "I'll do anything...I'll even play a Count Basie record!"....cgh =================================================================== Charles G. Hill | XXXXXXXX.com | http://pages.prodigy.com/cghill/ "Now is the Windows of our discontent." - Richard 3.0 =================================================================== --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Crystals/Shangs/Marvelettes Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: David Feldman, felXXXXXXXXderables.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com > Apparently the Crystals, Shangri-Las, and Marvelettes are going > to share a bill in New York soon... any New Yorkers want to > verify this? Anyone going? Or a more basic question. Who is performing in these groups? I saw the "Marvelettes" a few years ago and there were no original members. Dave Feldman Year of the Year: 1999 CD of the Year: The Look of Love: The Burt Bacharach Collection Word of the Week: Diphthong Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at "http://www.imponderables.com" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Crystals/Shangs/Marvelettes Received: 01/16/99 12:46 pm From: IAC, ianXXXXXXXXlnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Hi Jimmy - I went to see a Crystals/Shangs/Marvelettes show in London a few years back. The Crystals - who had top billing - were basically Dee Dee and two recruits - did a pretty good spot, however - they sang well, and the orchestra went all out for the Spector sound. The Shangri-la's, as you might expect, were just three impostors - all obviously far too young to have been out of diapers when the real group was in the charts. At the stage door, they were nervously signing autographs from "The Shangri-la's" - no names, of course - and they left pretty quickly before anyone could ask any awkward questions. The Marvelettes comprised Gladys Horton and two recruits - the irony was that Gladys was the only original lead singer on the whole bill, and turned in the best performance, yet was billed below the other two groups, even the fake Shangs, which was pretty outrageous, I thought. Anyway, maybe you'll let us know how this compares with the New York show? Ian Chapman --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Crystals, Shangri-Las, Marvelettes? Sent: 01/11/19 6:43 am Received: 01/17/99 8:42 am From: WILLIAM STOS, wXXXXXXXXt.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com > From: Jimmy Cresitelli, JimmXXXXXXXXom > Apparently the Crystals, Shangri-Las, and Marvelettes are going > to share a bill in New York soon... any New Yorkers want to > verify this? Anyone going? Hi Jimmy! I'm not a New Yorker, but this seems a little far-fetched. I think we all know about the fake Marvelettes going around, the real ones are know known as Gladys Horton and the Marvelettes, but Gladys is the only original who tours, although Wanda Young is still recording. The Shangri-las have not performed to my knowledge since Mary Ann Ganser passed away in 1994. Mary Weiss is doing some interior decorating presently. And as for the Crystals? Barbara, does Dee Dee still have a group touring? I'd love to see this concert, and if these are the originals I may just take a flight down to see them, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Will --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: George Martin Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com In a message dated 1/13/99 7:01:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com writes: > I'll have to look this up to be absolutely sure, but I'm 99% > positive that what George Martin actually said was that with > Beatles records up to (and including?) the white album, the mono > mix was the one which he and the engineers spent the most time > and care on, with the stereo mixes done quickly and almost as an > afterthought. Yes, he did say that, but it was version 2 or 3 of his story. He even tried to say he didn't supervise the stereo mixes and let assistants to do the work, but someone wrote (in Goldmine I think) that George Martin's name is on the session sheets the stereos were created at. Nobody knows the truth ...in my opinion not even Martin. Paul Urbahns paulurXXXXXXXXom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Glad All Over Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: Paul Urbahns, PaulurXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com In a message dated 1/15/99 10:04:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com writes: > GLAD ALL OVER's "Doo Dah," which is simply fascinating in its > awfulness: okay, a waltz played at funeral dirge speed with lyrics > that slightly rewrite "Camptown Races" into directions for a > would-be dance craze. Who on earth thought this was a good idea? > > Stewart Phil Spector's definition was that an album was 2 hits and 10 pieces of junk. That's why he and many other producers had artists record various current hits as filler so they could get recognizable titles on the cover, after all in the 60's rock and roll was a singles market. Paul Urbahns paulurXXXXXXXXom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Still More Drifters Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: James Cassidy, casswrXXXXXXXXlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Re: The Burt B. Box, David Ponak wrote: >How could he overlook Dusty's "I Just Don't Know What To Do With >Myself?" (I also would have also chosen Dusty's version of "In >The Land Of Make Believe.") Both Dusty's and Dionne's versions of "In the Land of Make Believe" present the song as kind of an erotic daydream; their lover is away and they're fantasizing. For a *completely* different interpretation of this song, try to find The Drifters' version (Is it on the "Rockin' & Driftin'" collection, Jamie? I only have it on an old, scratchy LP). Sung with passionate intensity by Rudy Lewis and accompanied by a more dissonant, discordant musical arrangement, it sounds as if the singer has gone off the deep end and moved permanently to The Land of Make Believe or at least a secure facility with padded walls and nice people in white jackets. Jim Cassidy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Bacharach Box Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: Jeffrey Thames, KingoGXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com >From David Ponak's recent appraisal of *The Look of Love*: >How could [box producer Patrick Milligan] overlook Dusty's 'I >Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself?' I must disagree here. The Tommy Hunt version (which made the cut) was the first version of the song I heard, thanks to the Scepter box on Capricorn. Maybe I'd actually heard another version (possibly Dusty's) years before, but it wasn't until Tommy's take that I actually took notice of just how SAD the song is. Entertainment Weekly also bemoaned the fact that a "no-name" version of "IJDKWTDWM" was included. I think Mr. Milligan made the best choice possible...he used a version that brought its every emotion to the forefront, and he introduced people to a mouthpiece for Burt and Hal that heretofore might have only been known to pop music zealots such as ourselves.* Hey, I love Dusty as much as the next guy...I just prefer the Tommy Hunt version. >Cilla Black's version of "Alfie," one of Burt & Hal's greatest >accomplishments, is unlistenable to my ears. She sounds like >Liza Minelli on a bad day, for god's sake! This should have been >the Dionne version. At the risk of contradicting my praise to Mr. Milligan for championing an underdog, I second this wholeheartedly. I haven't heard very much Cilla Black, but what I have heard hasn't made much of an impression (with the possible exception of "You're My World"). The box may be heavily Dionne-saturated as it is, but I don't think one more track would have hurt. Or, to balance things, replace her version of "The Windows of the World" with Scott Walker's. Now you're talkin'... Cheers, Jeff *--I think I might have set a new record here for Most Pretentious Spectropop Observation. Whatcha think?? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Robots vs. Freak-Outers Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: David Feldman, felXXXXXXXXderables.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com The redoubtable Carol Kaye said: > If you watched us studio musicians record, you'd be bored to > tears at our robotic looks, and no gestures. We put our all into > the music. Back when I was playing jazz in the clubs, everyone > prided themselves not to move much, as that was "showmanship", > not musicianship. You played to crowds of people who listened to > music (not "looked" at music), who grew up to listening to the > radio. But showmanship is the name of it all these days -- most > people grew up with television and demand a lot of stage > presence in addition to music. This is something I've always wondered about. In rock and classical music, it's common for soloists to grimace, gesture, close their eyes, sway, or otherwise freak out. I've always assumed that much of this movement was showmanship, especially because most (but not all, by any means) jazz soloists tend toward the "robotic look" school. So the question for me was always: Were the freak-outers faking the movements, or were the "robotics" repressing natural urges. It's always been difficult for me to imagine performers gesturing so much when rehearsing. Could you imagine Johnnie Ray's rehearsals if he did? Dave Dave Feldman http://www.imponderables.com --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Dreaming of Reissues/The World of Lost Curb Masters Received: 01/16/99 10:02 am From: Matthew Kaplan, TweXXXXXXXXom To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com Last week somebody brought up the topic of masters that never get released, I think Dave Clark 5 was part of the main gist of the conversation. I would like to add to that most of the tracks controlled (or claimed to be controlled) by Mike Curb. Curb had is fingers in loads of great material in the 6Ts including most of the Biker Exploitation soundtracks, a wonderful soundtrack to the TV show "Hot Wheels", Davie Allen & The Arrows along with a huge chunk of West Coast pop. Now of course Mike Curb runs Curb Records (through Atlantic) and makes major bucks off of LeeAnn Rimes (sp...but not the sista of Busta Rhymes) and other country schlock pop. The only times that I have seen reissues of 6Ts material that he has been involved with, it has been crappy 10 song compilations. Any thoughts on how to force his hand? Matthew Kaplan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Uncollected Works Received: 01/16/99 1:00 pm From: Jamie LePage, le_pageXXXXXXXXties.com To: Spectropop List, spectrXXXXXXXXties.com RUDERMXXXXXXXXom wrote: >Who owns [the Spector] stuff now (the rights to the cuts on ["Phil >Spector 1975/79"] album, the Dion album, ..."Rare Masters" ...and >important tracks that are missing...? These are owned by Phil Spector and administered by ABKCO. I guess Spector paid for and then licensed the two Ronnie tracks to Apple, but I could be wrong. The Ramones masters are most likely owned by Sire, and naturally, all the Beatles-related stuff is Apple. >Does anyone know if there are plans for a follow-up to the boxed >set that could be called "The Uncollected Works"...? It would be interesting to compile a list of what we would consider a comprehensive set of the formerly or currently unavailable Spector tracks. I bet there is far too much material for a single CD release, so let's compile a Ronnie-related wish list first. Here are the tracks that immediately come to mind: You Came, You Saw, You Conquered (formerly unavailable) Oh, I Love You (currently unavailable) I Can Hear Music (currently unavailable) Girls Can Tell (currently unavailable) The Twist (currently unavailable) Mashed Potato Time (currently unavailable) Lovers (currently unavailable) Blues For Baby (currently unavailable) Try Some, Buy Some (currently unavailable) Tandouri Chicken (currently unavailable) Any other Phil & Ronnie tracks for this "wish list"? -- All the best, Jamie LePage
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