__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0281 June 27, 1999 __________________________________________________________ Intoxicating sounds of the world's most exciting musicSubject: Fanzines/Hi Diane Renay Received: 06/27/99 10:00 pm From: WILLIAM STOS, wsxxxx.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Hi guys and gals! I just wanted to ask about some oldies fanzines that are floating around. My pal Sheila B just put out a second issue of Cha Cha Charming that features a lot of girl groups, and J-pop, but what else is around. Does Mick Patrick still publish Philately and That Will Never Happen again? We're they any good? He's a goldmine for facts judging by the liner notes he has done, but are his publications worthwhile, or just bad photocopies. And has anyone ever ordered a copy of the Girl Group gazette from the girl group fan club. Is that worthwhile? It seems really expensive! Hope people have information. BTW, nice to see you back on the list Diane. Hope everyone at your place is healthy and happy! Will --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: How old is pop? Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: James F. Cassidy, casswrixxxxink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Big L wrote: >I think the concept of charts and hit songs really didn't >take off until after WWII. I know there were hits before >that, like Artie Shaw having a hit with "Begin The Beguine." You could go back much further than that, Big L. Before records and radio created the idea of charts, song popularity was based largely on sheet music sales, and back then there were even *more* "answer songs," follow-ups, etc. If you've ever looked around antique shops that sell old sheet music, you'll get a real education in the pop trends of the early 2Oth century, including lots of Irish songs, Hawaiian songs, blues, rags, etc. Pop music was *extremely* commerce-driven back then; in fact, it took a long time and a lot of great work by people like Gershwin, Porter, Rodgers, etc., before people accepted the notion that pop music could also be great art. The whole idea of pop music goes back at least as far as Stephen Foster and the 1850s. Check out Ken Emerson's excellent book "Doo-Dah!" for a contemporary pop music writer's perspective on the pop music of that era ("plantation songs" and love songs about dying women were extremely popular!). Another great book is Ian Whitcomb's (yes, *that* Ian Whitcomb!) "After the Ball," which combines pop music history with the author's own experiences as a rock star ("You Turn Me On"). Jim Cassidy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Jingle Jangle Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: john rausch, jxxxxet To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Heres a topic I would like to add to Spectropop: Since this list has all demographics (performers, musicians, djs, collectors, fans, historians etc...), what are your thoughts on T.V./Radio ads using all the old hit songs for their commercials? Selling everything from tampons to real estate. Fast food restaurants are particularly big on this. I mean who gets the profit from this practice? Obviously the copyright owner, I imagine, but does anyone involved with the original recording have any say in this practice? Say for instance, BurgerKing decides to use Navy Blue for their jingle. Diane Renay, would you have any input? If you did, would you say yes/no ? If you had no input how would you feel hearing your song on TV selling a burger? Or would you like to have the honor of hearing that hit coming out of tv/radio speakers nationwide and enjoy the recognition? I only use Diane for a for instance scenario. My personal opinion is that I would rather remember all my favorite hits of my youth the way they were intended - on the radio or at home in all their glory. I understand the advertising intent to use these songs as jingles as they have become recognizable over the years and people will remember the ad because they remember the tune. I`m sure for many on this list, when you hear certain songs at home or on the radio, it can magically transport you back to a certain time of your youth with fond memories etc...I personally would like to remember stacking my favorite 45s on the `ol automatic record changer (remember those?) and having all those great hits play as a soundtrack to my youth not as the latest jingle to sell me something I don`t want or need. Just my humble opinion (and pet peeve) but I wonder what others on this list have to say of this practice pro or con. And for Carol Kaye, as you have played on so many classic hits that HAVE become jingles, what are your thoughts? John Rausch Phil Spector`s Wall Of Souxxxx//members.tripod.com/~rauschj/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Lily's Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: Dave Mirich, Dmirxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Stuart writes: >However, The Lily's most recent album is actually their >sixth release Tobias, you sounded downright sure of yourself when you shot off that the Lily's most recent CD was their 4th. What gives? And Stuart, what do you think of the Lily's latest, do you like it as much as I do? I've sure had a lot of fun listening to all this "new" '60s music. Dave Mirich --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Os Mutantes Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: imponderabxxxxring.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Jamie wrote about his wonderful night in L.A. (I'm jealous) and also briefly mentioned buying a CD: Every once in a while, I realize while I continue subscribing to Rolling Stone. This year, it was the rave review for the Os Mutantes CD's (on Rhino). Without that review, I probably wouldn't have picked up on these records, at least until I read Spectropop. I just love the absolute craziness of these guys, who seem capable of mixing any known style of pop music with psychedelia. I've always been a sucker for ambitiously overproduced records. Right now, I"m in lovely Lake Tahoe with my family. My 14- year-old nephew, who is a Dave Matthews Band and ska champion and I are now having a running joke, trading off leads on the Backstreet Boys' "I Like It That Way." Man, that song is catchy! I don't know how Spectropoppers feel about the synthetic teeny-bopper sensations of the day (BB's, In-Sync, Brittney Spears, etc.). I have mixed feelings about most of them but think the Backstreet Boys are terrific, and enjoy the notion that the best of them are being fed songs with genuine melodies and stunning hooks. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Os Mutantes/Tropicalia...& a little rant on Ultra Lounge Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: The Babushka Lady, wuo0xxxx.se To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Jamie LePage recommended: >Os Mutantes' Everything is Possible Is this some kind of compilation for the English speaking market? For all I know, everything they released (four albums between 1967 and 1972, I think) was in Portuguese. I heard Luaka Bop (David Byrne's label) will release some kind of Mutantes compilation, is Everything Is Possible the one? I'd also like some opinions on Os Mutantes' 2nd and 3rd albums as I haven't heard them. Oh, Jamie, that new Ultra Lounge compilation is pretty good. I have to say, though, that their compilations in general aren't very good. They seem to focus too much intentionally on the kitchy side of Exotica/Lounge rather than treating the genre as seriously as it should be treated. I've posted about the subject before but nobody answered...I still like to think that Les Baxter and Martin Denny were HUGE influences on (american) psychedelic music...take all the marimba stuff from the Beach Boys' Smile for example..*pure Martin Denny*! And Baxter's experimentations with echo, reverb and huge orchestras certainly also foreshadowed what a certain Brian Wilson would do 10-15 years later. Baxter recorded a theremin album in 1949, for Christ's sake!! :-) Another thing, Jamie....when VDP performed Heroes & Villians, did he sing the released single version or did he incorporate any of the fragments/segments which were recorded but never used (i.e "part 2")? Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Top Ten Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: WILLIAM STOS, wsxxxx.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com >>Please, would you be so kind and make top-10 list your >>favourites songs and artist from the Sixties. Hmmm, well, I'll try to limit myself to ten 10 Nothing But A Heartache by the Flirtations 9 Unbelievable Guy by Diane Renay (Diane, this song rocks!) 8 Ya Gotta Take A Chance by the Bonnets 7 Knock On My Door by the Marvelettes 6 Da Doo Ron Ron by the Crystals 5 No Matter What Sign You Are by the Supremes 4 I Never Dreamed by the Cookies 3 The Thrill Is Gone by Clydie King 2 What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey baby) by the Chiffons 1Home Of The Brave by Bonnie and the Treasures Anyone who has not heard these songs is missing something! Most were not big hits, but they deserved to be! Will The Girl Group Chronicles http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/2301/index.html --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Hal's book.. Received: 06/27/99 10:01 pm From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com from Jack: >Carol, I bow to your superior knowledge, but it *does* >say in Hal's book that it was Hal<< Unfortunately, Hal's book is not all that perfectly accurate...he's got a few in there that do belong to others, like the Jan and Dean things too.....most are Earl Palmer. And this comes from the horses' mouth, Russ Wapensky, the bible of the Musicians Contracts...Hal got a little careless there. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ You'll want to read Russ's book of credits when it comes out on Greenwood Press, the end of this year. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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