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Volume #0302 August 10, 1999
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Danny D. Thanx Thee
Subject: Re: Manson and "the clique"
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Jamie LePage wrote:
>Carol Kaye wrote:
>
>>Percussionist Gary Coleman spoke of working the date for
>>Dennis producing that idiot killer...
>
>Hold on there! Carol, are you saying that there WERE
>Manson sessions which included members of "the clique"?
>With Dennis (or other BBs) producing? If so, this is big
>news to me. As far as I know, nothing "released" by Manson
>has the LA studio musicians backing. And if the Wilson
>brothers were involved, the dates you speak of have to be
>Brother Records recordings, and most likely recorded at
>Gold Star, Western or Sunset Sound. Where are those tapes
>today? If such recordings exist they would be very
>interesting to hear. Even more interesting, if such tapes
>do indeed exist, why haven't we heard ABOUT them before?
I couldn't say why you haven't heard anything about them.
There have been vague discussions about them among Beach
Boys collectors for years. Nothing from the sessions has
ever been released, either commercially or on bootleg, and
tapes have not circulated among collectors.
I can't tell you a whole lot about the sessions; all
documentation seems to have disappeared (reportedly
shortly after Manson was arrested and charged with the
murders). The sessions were done in 1968, apparently at
Brian's home studio, and Dennis was the only Beach Boy
involved. The tapes do exist -- there apparently were at
least two sets of masters -- and at least some of them
still reside in the Beach Boys' tape vault. Beyond that,
it's all question marks at this time. (No, I haven't heard
the tapes.) More information is supposed to be forthcoming
later this year when a new book on Manson, "Live Freaky,
Die Freaky" is published.
Brad
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Subject: I hate....
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
talking about this, as I don't like to give Manson any
publicity.....killers love publicity, makes them feel
important etc.
Gary Coleman (percussionist, father of Lisa Coleman btw,
keyboardist behind Prince at one time) first told me about
recording something for Manson in the studio (I kept
remembering it was Brian but no, not Brian at all, it was
for Dennis I found out later) shortly after the murders in
1969, and we studio musicians all discussed this amongst
ourselves.
I didn't hear anything more about that until I was over at
a DJ's house in Denver, Colo. and he evidently had a
bootleg of a copy of a tape of that session (which I
assumed as scrapped or something, you never heard anything
more about it) and asked me if I wanted to hear it (about
1992) and I told him "no I didn't". That's all I know
about it.
Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/
I tho't everyone knew about it....that recording date has
been discussed a few times before somewhere else then.
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Subject: Manson & Beach Boys
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: Kingsley Abbott, kinxxxxxa.freeserve.co.uk
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Jamie LePage's recent question about the existence or not
of Manson and BB collaboration is open to speculation, but
I can add a little to the debate. When researching for my
"Back To The Beach" reader book on BW & BBs I was told the
following from a very reliable source:
"In the vaults there exists an 8 track finished master by
Charles Manson that features Carl and Dennis and was
produced by them" I was led to believe that it was a
finished album, or at least pretty close. Incidently the
said "Back to The Beach " book has recently been reprinted
and is now available again from Helter Skelter (Yeah, I
know!!) or from usual ordering sources. ISBN is 1 900924-
02-1. How's that for working in a plug on my first posting!
Welcome also to Jerry Riopelle - Jerry- how about telling
us the Bonnie story (Home Of The Brave, Close Your Eyes)?
Love to hear about it all.
Best wishes to all
Kingsley Abbott
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Subject: Welcome Jerry!
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: WILLIAM STOS, xxxxxet.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
I don't want to go into length about Bonnie and the
Treasures' "Home of the Brave," since if you check in the
archives, it was a long string of messages, but I do want
to say the production is second to none! Hands down it's
one of my top ten favs of all time! Welcome to the group!
Will
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Subject: Re: Welcome Mr Riopelle
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: DJ JimmyB, DJJimxxxxxcom
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Welcome Mr Riopelle and let me add that although I always
liked "Sunshine Girl" by The Parade, I had NEVER seen the
album ANYWHERE. Until I visited Other Music in NYC last
April and paid handsomely for a Japanese import version of
it. Its good 'n' soft
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Subject: 'Home of the Brave'
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: Jamie LePage, ke_pagxxxxxities.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Welcome Mr. Riopelle!
A specific topic if I may.
Please read the following excerpt from Mark Landwehr's
post quoting "what looks to be" the Gavin Report dated 8/6
/65:
>"Officials of the Los Angeles Musicians Union, Lcl. #47...
>On Wed., Aug. 4...received in the mail a signed contract
>for a recording session that had been held at Hollywood's
>Gold Star Studios at 3 PM, July 24th (1965). The contract
>was signed by Phil Spector, specifying Jerry Riopell as
>the leader. The name of Nick di Caro appeared on the
>contract as arranger but had been scratched out. Enclosed
>with the contract was a check [which] specified HOME OF
>THE BRAVE as the song that had been recorded, although the
>contract itself specified two other tunes.
>
>"Phil Spector...stated that...He recorded it with the
>Ronettes, but was not satisfied with it and did not
>release it. His friend Jerry Riopell liked the song and
>obtained Phil's permission to work on it. By using Phil's
>arrangements and ideas from the previous track, Jerry was
>able to work out an acceptable version with Bonnie and the
>Treasures. Phil Spector picked up the tab for the recording
>costs.
OK. This one we know was a Philles master. But, does the
above quoted reference to your working out "an acceptable
version with Bonnie" mean that you used the Ronettes
rhythm track to get a more favorable vocal? Is the Bonnie
rhythm track the same as was used on the unheard Ronettes
version? Unresolved debate as to whether you or Phil
produced the Bonnie record have not been resolved, so any
light you could shed on this would be most appreciated.
Oh yeah, and what does Nick DeCaro have to do with all
this???
Bonnie and the Treasures Rule!
All the best,
Jamie LePage
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Subject: Jerry Riopelle on Spectropop
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: Steve Stanley, sstxxxxxfi.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Steve Stanley Wrote:
Wow. Jerry Riopelle on Spectropop. I've gotta contain
myself now!! Well, let's get the chatter going by asking
Jerry to describe the "Close Your Eyes" sessions (if you
remember them). Did Spector have any involvement?
Also, why was the Parade LP never issued at the time? It's
truly amazing material and "Sunshine Girl" was a hit for
Chrissakes! Thanks for joining Spectropop!
Thanks to several of you Spectropoppers for your
enthusiasm and feedback regarding the new Girl Group comp
on Del-Fi. It's doing really well, sales and review-wise,
and I'd like to extend my gratitude to all the GG fanatics!
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Subject: Spector $$$
Received: 08/10/99 12:46 am
From: David Feldman, fexxxxxnderables.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Rob Bates, always tight with a buck, asks about Phil Spector's CD's...
> 2. Why are all his CDs so expensive? Most box sets that
> have been out a while end up discounted, but you can never
> get "Back to Mono" for less than $60. The Best of the
> "Crystals/Ronettes/Darlene Love" CDs aren't cheap either,
> usually showing up for $17.95. (Although buy.com has them
> for about $13)
Technically, I guess you could say that it's easy to find
Spector's stuff at discount. The problem is his CD's list
prices are higher than anyone else's. I have to assume
that this has to do with Spector's personal control over
the pricing of his catalog. The list price of "Back to
Mono" is a silly $74.98.
This is very reminiscent of Russ Meyer, who offers his
videos at astronomical prices
Dave Feldman
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Subject: SMILE cover prints for sale
Received: 08/10/99 12:46 am
From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net
To: Spectropop Mailing List, spectxxxxxities.com
Last year, Surf's Up Collectibles was pleased to offer a
limited edition of signed-and-numbered prints of the front
cover art for the legendary "lost" Beach Boys album, SMILE.
Each of the 150 prints was individually signed by cover
artist Frank Holmes, who created the art 23 years ago. All
copies of the print were quickly sold.
Now, with the approval of Mr. Holmes, Surf's Up
Collectibles is able to offer for sale a small number of
unsigned "seconds" of the print. These prints are
identical to the signed-and-numbered edition, except for
very slight flaws which dictated they be held back when
prints were being selected for Mr. Holmes to sign. However,
all flaws are of the bent or creased corner variety;
none affect the central image of the SMiLE cover. If the
prints are framed, the flaws will be hidden.
Like the signed-and-numbered edition, these prints were
reproduced from a set of original Capitol Records color
separations and display the SMiLE cover in precise detail.
These prints are being offered at $10 each, a substantial
markdown from the $30 to $100 at which the
signed-and-numbered edition was sold.
Postage and handling are extra. All prints are shipped
rolled in cardboard tubes. Shipments within the U.S.
normally are sent First Class, insured. For the first two
prints, First Class rates are $5.00 inside the continental
U.S., $5.50 to Alaska and Hawaii. Postage for each
additional print is $1.00. Please inquire for Priority
Mail, UPS or Federal Express rates, as well as shipping
costs to other countries.
Anyone interested in purchasing a print should write or
e-mail Surf's Up Collectibles. Do not send payment until
you have received a confirmed reservation. Payment must be
made in U.S. funds. Checks and money orders are acceptable,
or purchases can be charged via MasterCard, VISA or
American Express.
Brad Elliottxxxxxsupcollectibles.com
Surf's Up Collectibles
P.O. Box 699
Pampa, TX 79066
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Subject: IN MY ROOM
Received: 08/10/99 12:46 am
From: Big L,xxxxx.snowcrest.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Subject: "In My Room": music reviews, updated monthly
IN MY ROOM - Fabulous Sounds, Updated Monthly
Reviewed this month:
Burt Bacharach | Joe Henry | Steve Reich
Stereolab | "Valley of the Dolls" | "Unknownwerks"
http://www.psn.net/~blue/room.html
Big L
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Subject: Mystery Tune
Received: 08/09/99 5:50 am
From: CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM, xxxxxv.net
To: Spectropop List, Spectxxxxxities.com
I have a question to ask the group. I feel kind of dumb
but if anyone can answer it you certainly can. At the
height of Beatlemania there were many songs released such
as Cher under the guise of "Bonnie Jo Mason" singing about
the Beatles, in Cher's case it was "RIngo, I Love You".....
One song has haunted me because it is a ballad and believe
it or not, quite pretty..It is called "The Boy With the
Beatle Hair". If anyone can tell me who sang it I will buy
them a cup of coffee and a one way ticket to Pismo Beach.
Regards,
Claudia
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