Spectropop V#0305

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   Volume #0305                         August 14, 1999   
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           Vocal With Instrumental Accompaniment          




Subject:     girl group help
Received:    08/12/99 9:10 am
From:        john rausch,xxxxx.net
To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com

I had been asked a question that I cannot find a positive 
answer to so I pose it to Spectropop:

"Does anyone know who the Cinnamon Angels were? who the 
Penny Sisters were? Both did obscure albums on BT Puppy."

thanks

John R
Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sxxxxxp://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/


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Subject:     Modern Girl Groups/Chiffons
Received:    08/13/99 5:54 am
From:        WILLIAM STOS, xxxxxet.com
To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com

> does anyone here like modern girl groups? rosita, anjelica,
> period pains, lolita storm etc..

Hmmm, never heard of them, but I do like some of the more 
popular sounding groups like TLC, Destiny's Child, B*
Witched, Cleopatra ZYC, and my fav group of the moment the
Steps. Has anyone here heard of the Steps? Big in Britain, 
and soon to be crossing over to North America. Very Abba 
sounding, but exciting and fresh! They're first album is 
great!

BTW, I just got a post from former Chiffons' lead singer 
Judy Craig Mann. She was thrilled to see my web site, and 
I plan to tell her about the group here.

Will


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Subject:     survey
Received:    08/14/99 2:54 pm
From:        Shelby Riggsxxxxxmci.net
To:          spectropop, spectxxxxxities.com

To: Spectropop members,

Xoom has been experiencing problems the last week or so. 
It should be OKEH now. Try:

http://members.xoom.com/vinylmania99/results2.html

If you have problems, click REFRESH.

I will do a final tabulation vote this week. I will also 
be putting in a new on-line voting booth on the web-site. 
We will be going into different chatrooms this month to 
get a broader range of voting. 

Shelby Riggs


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Subject:     The Mercy and Love
Received:    08/13/99 5:54 am
From:        Tom Waters, shangxxxxx.com
To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com


I just visted a website that features odd albums from the 
'60's and '70's (mostly). One of the albums is called the 
Mercy and Love (I think it's the group name too) and I 
clicked on the real Audio sample song "Hey Jude" on the 
page and the girls sound, to me, amazingly like Reparata 
and the Delrons. This this them under a different name or 
Reparata with a different group? The website is:

http://www.searchlight.com/$spindb.query.exhibit.vinyl.0041


Take a listen, I'd love to hear what people think! (By the
way, I don't care what the webmaster of the site says, I 
love the recording!)

     Tom


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Subject:     horns of a dilemma/new releases
Received:    08/14/99 2:54 pm
From:        Stewart Mason, flaxxxxx.com
To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com

Okay, here's the thing. I got the program for the upcoming
season at my local theatre in the mail the other day, and 
November 16-21, the touring company of SUNSET BOULEVARD 
will be in town. Here's my problem:

1.  Andrew Lloyd Webber's music makes me physically ill.
2.  Petula Clark is playing Norma Desmond.

So you can see why I'm torn. Has anybody seen this show, 
with or without Petula? Will the opportunity to spend two 
hours watching one of my idols outweigh the fact that I 
already know I'm going to hate the music and consider the 
whole show a desecration of one of my favorite films, or 
can not even Petula save this show?

Also, I wanted to let you know about a couple of new 
releases by current bands who have been mentioned here 
recently. You might remember the discussion of the Lilys a
couple of months ago. They have a new EP out called ZERO 
POPULATION GROWTH. Just to warn you, this record does NOT 
sound like their last two albums, the Kinks/Move/
Creation-influenced BETTER CAN'T MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER and
the Brian Wilson-goes-Mod THE THREE WAY. Instead, it's an 
all-instrumental evocation of early-70s Krautrock released
as part of Darla Records' series of ambient instrumental 
albums called The Bliss-Out Series. I think it's very good,
but if you're not into extended noodly 
vintage-synth-and-rhythm-box instrumentals, stay far away. 

On the other hand, the soon-to-be-released fourth album by
Outrageous Cherry, Out There in the Dark, sounds like a 
classic lost West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band/Fun And 
Games/Sagittarius/Peanut Butter Conspiracy/Pebbles Volume 
 slab of ultra-catchy psych-pop. It's out October 5 on 
Del-Fi, and I know a lot of folks here who will go bonkers
over this. I have no affiliation with band or label, of 
course, but this is the most exciting album I've heard in 
months. 

Stewart


***************************FLAMINGO RECORDS***************************
                                 
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Box 40172                        "I don't know, we've heard
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Subject:     Thrill, Brave, Things & living in Kona
Received:    08/14/99 2:54 pm
From:        Jerry Riopelle, DOTCxxxxxcom
To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com

Will, your interest in Thrill is Gone made me go listen to
the (very bad) cassette I have of it and I thought it was 
pretty good too. Clydie just kills. I never heard the name
Clyde Kirk. I hadn't heard it for so long. It was better 
than I thought.

As to "Brave" I think Phil sang it to me at the piano the 
first time I heard it. Then probably a Cynthia demo. 

I did produce the Blossoms vocal on Things are Changing 
and wrote the lyric basically. Phil had the text of what 
they wanted. It was actually written by Philip, Brian and 
myself but I never met Brian. He and Phil had written the 
orig melody with different words. 

What is Close Your Eyes? I don't remember. Was it the back
side of Home of Brave or another Treasures single???

Carol, I am well, living in Kona, Hawaii. I just finished 
my 12th solo album and Life is Good. I have a band in L. A. 
and a band in Kona, and I play pretty often when I'm not
recording (which has been all the time for the last year). 
I wonder how Ray Pohlman is, and Earl Palmer and Mike 
Dacey and Jimmy Bond and Larry Knechtel and Hal Blaine...
Jesus this brings back memories. Good to know you're well. 

Jerry Riopelle


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Subject:     Things are Changing
Received:    08/14/99 2:54 pm
From:        Jamie LePage, le_pagxxxxxities.com
To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com


Since we have Jerry on the list now, mainly for his 
benefit I repost a couple of things I wrote from earlier 
digests regarding this remarkable recording. Many of you 
may want to skip the rest of this post since it is quoted 
verbatim from earlier digests.

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I am quite certain that Brian wrote "Don't Hurt..." for 
Ronnie (many claim it was written for Darlene), and Brian 
gave this song to Spector. The following is from 
Fitzpatrick & Fogerty's book (Collecting Phil Spector, 
Spectacle Press, 1991):

"The backing track, originally intended for a proposed 
Ronettes version of the Beach Boys' 'Don't Hurt My Little 
Sister,' was produced by Spector with Brian Wilson on 
piano. When that project was not completed, Spector kept 
the tapes and later used them as a contribution to the 
EEOC campaign to increase employment of minority youth. 
The song 'Things Are Changing' was recorded over Spector's
track by the Blossoms, Supremes and Jay and the Americans. 
(A rumored fourth version, supposedly sung in Spanish by 
Julio Angel and Lucecita, remains unverified.) Jerry 
Riopelle recorded the Blossoms' over Spector's track in 
the only release of the song by Spector's organization."

Reportedly, 4000 copies of the original 45 edition of 
"Things Are Changing" by the Blossoms were distributed to 
U.S. radio stations in May 1966. The recording was issued 
on a 33 1/3 rpm small-hole 7" disc, with Things Are 
Changing appearing on both sides (T4LM-8172-1). It came 
with a picture sleeve, a photoless graphic only sleeve 
that simply said THE BLOSSOMS SING: THINGS ARE CHANGING. 
There are no writer/arranger/producer credits on the disc 
or sleeve. However, if you look at the credits on the Jay 
and the Americans version (as included in their Legendary 
Masters CD "Come a Little Bit Closer" - [CDP-7-93448-2]), 
the song is credited as written by Brian Wilson/Phil 
Spector, and as produced by Phil Spector and Jerry Riopell. 
I believe these are the right credits, for surely this 
was Brian's song, and Phil's rhythm track.

For a long time I only knew the Blossoms version, and I 
was really surprised when I finally heard Jay & the 
Americans' version. The mix is so strange, with the vocal 
so far in front the glorious Spector track is all but lost.

Hearing the Supremes version for the first time too was 
very interesting. The first thing was hearing Diana Ross' 
voice on Spector's Gold Star/wrecking crew track. That's 
almost surreal! The backing track is more present than on 
Jay's version, which is nice, and Diana sings that little 
"Things are changing (B-D-E-B, B-D-E-D) melody that is 
also at the very end of Jay's version. That melody is not 
used on the Blossoms version, which leads me to wonder who
came up with that line. I guess Jay must have heard 
Supremes version or vice-versa. 

Another not so surprising but rather disappointing thing 
about the Supremes' version is how detached Diana Ross 
sounds on this, as if she was handed a lyric sheet on the 
spot and given only one or two takes to get through it. 
Flo & Mary's parts aren't all that great either. In any 
event, Diana doesn't sound all that sympathetic to the 
cause if you know what I mean.

Darlene Love's version, on the other hand, is absolutely 
convincing. It is one of her most powerful vocal 
permormances, similar to Long Way to be Happy. After 
hearing Diana Ross sing this, I must say Darlene Love's 
Things are Changing is absolutely the supreme version!!! 
Soaring, convincing delivery, and even though the rhythm 
track is pumped to the max on Darlene's version, her vocal
is locked in perfectly and towers above Phil's powerful 
Wall. 

>I was even more surprised to find that not only is Phil 
>Spector listed as the producer of the track, but he is 
>also listed as the sole author! Do Brian Wilson's lawyers
>know about this?

As you know Scott, the writer/pub info printed on sleeves 
is not always accurate, what with ghost writers et al. The
crucial point here is whether the song is claimed by both 
Mother Bertha (Spector) and New Executive (Wilson). I've 
been trying to search BMI hyperdata on this but their site
has been down the last few days. Interestingly enough, 
there is publisher info listed on the Jay/Americans CD for
every song EXCEPT Things Are Changing, and as I mentioned 
earlier, this is listed as written by Wilson/Spector.


Jamie
le_pagxxxxxities.com
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/5030



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