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Volume #0304 August 12, 1999
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Tomorrow's Sound-Today
Subject: Jerry Riopelle/Clydie King
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: WILLIAM STOS, xxxxxet.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
> [Phil] heard a record I
> made with Larry Levine at Gold Star with Clydie King
> singing a song of mine called The Thrill is Gone. It was a
> blatant imitation of Phil's sound but a pretty good one.
Jerry! I had no idea you produced Clydie King's the Thrill
is Gone! Now you hold two spots in my top ten favourites of
all time! Check out the very bottom of my guestbook page
at my website:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/2301/
and you'll see I list Clydie King's The Thrill Is Gone as my
favourite Girl Group Song of all time! Clydie's voice is
the closest thing to perfection I've heard. Tell me, did
you have any involvement in other similar sounding Clydie
numbers like "Missing My Baby" and "If You Were A Man"? She
did some more soul inspired stuff that sounds good, but these
recordings and Bonnie and the Treasures' records blow me
away more than most Spector records. A Phil rip-off or not,
I think you topped him on a couple of these!!! Can you
tell me if Clydie King was also known as Clyde Kirk who
was occasionally recording with the Crystals? Also, where
can I find more of your work? Home of The Brave, The
Thrill Is Gone, Close Your Eyes! If these are any
representation, then I simply must hear more!
Will
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Subject: Jerry R. & Home of the Brave
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Mark Landwehr, mxxxxxbbs.com
To: Spectropop List, Spectxxxxxities.com
Jerry Riopelle wrote:
> There never was a Ronettes version as far as I know. He
> would have mentioned that. When it became a hit he acted
> as if HE made the record in a Gavin interview and he
> surely would have mentioned a Ronettes arrangement at that
> point. I was amazed at how he was acting and I've been told
> there are some compilations out there without my credits.
> He wasn't even there when I cut it but he did give me the
> song and I did steal his sound as best I could.
>
Knowing of Phil's knack for "embellishment" I am not
surprised at all, Jerry...And, he did give himself
producer credit on the Phil Spector International UK
single of "Home of the Brave." Thanks for your input.
Mark
Phil Spector Label Galxxxxxp://www.toltbbs.com/~msland/Spector
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Subject: The "E" is Gone
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Keiko Kondo, keiko_xxxxxail.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Dear Mr. Riopelle,
As soon as I read your posting I went to home and listened
to "The Thrill Is Gone" several times. It's great and Nick
De Caro arrangement is fine. I love the percussion and
especially the do-do-do background chorus. That is Hal
Blaine on drums right?
btw, I was looking at the 45 label and noticed your name
has no e at the end (Riopell). Was that mistake or did you
spell that way on purpose?
I'm so glad you joined the list.
KK
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Subject: Don't know yet
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Hi Steve, not sure if I played on that Ringo tune or not,
have that question going out to Russ Wapensky who will
check his data base contract lists. How are you?
And Jerry, wasn't that cute, side by side! Everyone--
whatever Jerry says, that's for REAL, he's had the
greatest integrity of anyone I know in the music biz.
Jerry, I sure am sorry you didn't get your credits, you
should have, you were an excellent producer, just the best
to work for and such talent and expertise! Remember when we
were talking about diet stuff at Gold Star?
Well, I took a detour (lived in Colo. for awhile after
stopping studio work to play some jazz), had some health
problems, but since all fixed up (surgery) and back here
in LA playing for 2 yrs. now, mostly jazz, not much studio
work as you know, and see some of the ol' gang. So good to
see you on this list, you too Bob Alcivar!
Best, Carol Kaye
http://www.carolkaye.com/
Steve, will let you know soon.
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#303
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Jamie LePage, le_pagxxxxxities.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Ish 303 was a fascinating read. Big, big thanks to
everyone and especially Jerry, Bob and Carol.
Specifically with reference to Jerry's post, he wrote:
>[Phil] said here...here's a hit song. He gave me Home
>of the Brave...I wrote the arrangement myself...
>very slowly...on paper....
>
>There never was a Ronettes version as far as I know. He
>would have mentioned that.
Not only that but I would imagine if Phil did have a
Ronettes version in the can when he "gave" you the song,
he would have just played that version for you. Which
leads me to an additional question. What demo did Phil
give you of the song? Was it a Mann/Weil Screen Gems demo?
...and Bob, I suppose you know that many here and elsewhere
judge Birthday as Association's very best album; this opinion
shared by many Curt Boettcher enthusiasts as well. Thanks
so much for the insight.
Jamie
--
le_pagxxxxxities.com
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/5030
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Subject: For Jerry Riopelle: "Things Are Changing"
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Welcome, Jerry!
I was hoping you might be able to shed a little light on
the "Things Are Changing" singles that were done as
promotions for Equal Opportunity Employment in 1965. There
are three known versions of the single. All feature the
same backing track, but different lead vocals. One is by
The Blossoms, one is by The Supremes, and the other is by
Jay and The Americans. There is rumored to be a fourth
version by Julio Angel and Lucecita, but I've never heard
of a copy being found.
Reportedly, the backing track was produced by Phil Spector
for a proposed Ronettes version of Brian Wilson's "Don't
Hurt My Little Sister." Brian himself is supposed to have
sat in on piano, subbing for a drunk Leon Russell
(according to Jack Nitzsche). I have seen you credited as
the producer of The Blossoms' vocals for the song. Is that
true? Did you have anything to do with the other variant
vocals? Or with the original Ronettes recording?
Any light you can shed on these recordings would be
greatly appreciated!
Brad Elliott
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Subject: Bobby Rydell's Swinging School at Wendy's
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Paul Urbahns, Pauluxxxxxcom
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
> But the real knockout was hearing
> Bobby Rydell's "Swinging School"! I can't help but wonder
> if this is a sign that the Cameo/Parkway vaults are
> finally opening- I can't imagine a music service playing
> one of those semi-boot Park CDs... Dave
The problem is not that the songs are available through
commerical services, the problem is because they are not
for sale to the public. Radio stations and music services
use different disks than what we can buy in the stores.
Wendys probably uses a satellite music service and that
service has the song on their master computer. I am glad
they played it, in fact the local Burger King in Radcliff,
Ky plays some fairly rare (but good oldies) you never hear
on the radio because most programmers are too young to
remember the music. A song that didn't chart high but was
popular with the public was Sail On Sailor by the Beach
Boys and I hear it at Burger King. A local AM station runs
the Jones Satellite Oldies network which has an excellent
show in the evening called Dave's Diner
(www.davesdiner.com) and I have heard them play (on a
regular basis) Neil Diamond's great song "You Got To Me"
which is not a staple of oldies stations. Finally, if you
are old enough to remember the music, you will realize
oldies stations (as a whole) do not reflect very
accurately the music of the 50s 60s and 70s they claim.
They play mostly group based records, BS&T, Beatles (even
songs that were never hits by them), Beach Boys, etc. They
normally ignore most male vocalists, (like Rydell), most
female vocalists (like Brenda Lee, Connie Francis, and
many others), anything country flavored (Johnny Cash, and
some of the country-pop arttists of the late 60s). I know
this got a little off subject but, in closing, I have
noticed oldies stations play "Let's Twist Again" by Chubby
Checker more than the original "Twist". It may have been
used in a movie soundtrack, just like "Limbo Rock" was in
digital mono on the soundtrack CD for Moonlighting.
Paul Urbahns
pauluxxxxxcom
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Subject: BOUNCE spectxxxxxities.com: Non-member submi
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
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Subject: phil spector in esquire
From: Editorial Department, staxxxxxhlink.net
hi, this is larry wilson, editor of the pasadena star-news
writing, hoping for some help in writing a column about
some fun, odd comments on phil spector (i am a fan, though
had never been to this website) made in this month's
esquire 'what i've learned' feature. spector mentions his
former house in Pasadena, calling it the Tarantula Arms,
and then notes: 'If I owned both hell and Pasadena, I'd
sell Pasadena and live in hell.' the piece notes that
spector now lives in orange county instead. i'm just
curious -- though I recall vague rumors about his living
in pasadena, when was it? why was it? not exactly a music
industry favorite, though, well, beck lived here until
recently, some other folks do for obscure reasons. I
believe spector lived in a big place in the san rafael
hills, though have no source for that. if you all knew
anything about this, i'd like to know. no desire to invade
his famous privacy -- his privacy is fine by me. genius has
its rewards. I would just like to tell my readers about his
comments ... many thanks for your help. I am also writeable
at wilsoxxxxx or callable at 626 578 6300 ext. #4478.
larry wilson
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Subject: Re: Manson and the Beach Boys
Received: 08/12/99 6:15 am
From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
Frank Youngwerth wrote:
>A friend of mine told me of visiting Rodney on the ROQ's
>home recently, and being shown an unpublished (?) photo of
>Rodney, Manson, and Brian Wilson. Doesn't really mean
>anything, but I was still a little surprised to hear of it,
>having assumed only Dennis hung out with him.
Carol Kaye, isn't it you who tells the story of meeting
Manson in the hallway at Capitol Records (I think) in the
company of Brian and Terry Melcher?
Steve Marinucci wrote:
>I wonder if the legit (well, I've seen 'em at Tower)
>Charles Manson releases that are floating around have any
>Beach Boys involvement...
My understanding is that they do not. One of them, however,
features Manson's version of his own "Cease to Exist,"
which Dennis and the Beach Boys reworked and recorded as
"Never Learn Not to Love."
Surf's up?
Brad
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Subject: sorry....more on manson and beach boys.....and modern girl
grou
Received: 08/11/99 5:28 am
From: Rough Trade Shop, xxxxxhtrade.com
To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
sorry...just thought i'd mention...I seem to remember that
manson wrote a song called 'cease to exist' which beach
boys actually covered and used as a b side to one of their
singles, but I think they changed the title to 'cease to
resist' to make it a little more palatable.
i have heard some manson recordings and they're very very
average. not even entertainingly bad if you know what I
mean. so I really really wouldn't bother...
it's a shame he duped so many people but then I guess that's
what cult leaders do.
does anyone here like modern girl groups? rosita, anjelica,
period pains, lolita storm etc..
does anyone know what 'doris' is doing now???? I got an
album from the early 70s with some great tracks on .....
(did you give the world some love today is my favourite).
is she still doing stuff now???
xxxxxxx delia xxxxxxxxx
www.roughtrade.com
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