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Volume #0064 04/10/98
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Subject: Toys on Sundazed
Sent: 4/9/98 4:08 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: David Marsteller, davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org
Has anyone got the reissue of The Toys "Attack" album on
Sundazed? I'm thinking about getting it. Are the bonus
tracks worthwhile? And how is the sound quality? I expect
it will be good, Sundazed generally is. Dave
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Subject: Bob Crewe Crew
Sent: 4/9/98 1:26 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
Doc Rock writes:
>Off hand, the main confections I have for him are
>Billie and Lillie, Freddie Cannon, Four Seasons, Tracy Dey,
>Rag Dolls, Mitch Ryder, Bob Crewe Generation, Frankie Valli.
>What am I missing?
How about Diane "Navy Blue" Renay?
>And does anyone have any burning questions you'd like to
>have asked?
I'd really like to know about the musicians he employed on
those early-to-mid sixties sessions. Did he have a fairly
consistent crew that he came back to again and again, like
the "Wrecking Crew" people employed by Brian Wilson and Phil
Spector etc?
Music To Watch Girls By by the Bob Crewe Generation is one
of my alltime favorite "wish I had it on cd" songs. I have
a scratchy copy of the vinyl lp (the cover of which, in
depicting the all-blond all-hunky all-TabHunter band of
musicians along with BC himself, is like a recruitment add
for the Hitler Youth), but no cd.
jack "all greasy, all balding, all oliveskinned, all paunchy" madani
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Bob Crewe interview
Sent: 4/9/98 2:30 PM
Received: 4/10/98 1:42 AM
From: FMYou, FMXXX@XXXXXXm
<<And does anyone have any burning questions you'd like to
have asked?>>
I'd like to know how his amazing song "Lady Marmalade" came
about, and perhaps what it sounded like before Allen
Toussaint got his hands on it.
Frank Youngwerth
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Subject: Bob Crewe
Sent: 4/9/98 9:09 AM
Received: 4/10/98 1:42 AM
From: Big L, biXXX@XXXXXXmail.com
>>In about 10 days, I will be doing an interview with Bob
Crewe. Off hand, the main confections I have for him are
Billie and Lillie, Freddie Cannon, Four Seasons, Tracy Dey,
Rag Dolls, Mitch Ryder, Bob Crewe Generation, Frankie Valli.
What am I missing?
>>And does anyone have any burning questions you'd like to
have asked?
I have always wanted to hear the story behind "Music To
Watch Girls By." At the risk of offending Herb Alpert fans,
that cut (to me anyway) absolutely blew TJB out of the
water. So cool, so swinging.
I would also like to hear about his relationship with Bob
Gaudio, and which partner was responsible for what.
Together, they are responsible for some awesome music. Not
just 4 Seasons stuff, but Valli solos like "The Sun Ain't
Gonna Shine Anymore." I always thought Frankie's version was
a cover, until I saw the label and the writing credits.
==
Big L
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Subject: French 60s
Sent: 4/9/98 10:02 PM
Received: 4/10/98 1:42 AM
From: Kieron Tyler, kierXXX@XXXXXXorg.uk
Marie-J. Leclerc wrote about Francoise Hardy ' "Musique
Saoule", that one is particulary good, you can find on it a
duo with her husband JacquesDutronc'.
Just thought I'd (in a picky frame of mind) point out that
Francoise Hardy never married Jacques Dutronc (although they
have a son) or anyone else for that matter as she has been
qouted as expressing that marriage is out of date.
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Subject: Mikado
Sent: 4/9/98 9:44 AM
Received: 4/10/98 1:42 AM
From: Steve McClure
The discussion of French pop brings to mind a decidedly
offbeat Japanese male/female duo called Mikado who perform
ultra-kitchsy French-style pop that is so out there that it
verges on parody. Think of Pizzicato Five without the irony.
The artwork on their album covers matches the music --
airbrushed, very cheesy -- like Pierre et Gilles, if you're
familiar with their work (maybe they actually did the
covers, I don't now). Anyway, I don't know very much about
Mikado, but I thought some of you fols out there in
Spectropop-land would like to know.
Awopbopaloobopalopbamboom,
Steve
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Subject: covers
Sent: 4/9/98 4:04 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
>I have been thinking about cover versions. In my
>estimation, here are some that became "stand alone"
>versions, maybe better than the original, certainly
>different enough to consider them on their own merits:
>
>Go Away Little Girl - Happenings
>Who Do You Love - Woolies
>Light My Fire - Jose Feliciano
>Tracks Of My Tears - Johnny Rivers
>Walk Away Renee - Four Tops
I believe that the Woolies record was the original version.
Also, you mentioned "Last Kiss." That, too, was a cover
version!
Doc
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Subject: Leader of the Pack stereo mix
Sent: 4/9/98 5:17 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: Jeff Glenn, Jeff_GlXXX@XXXXXX.nba.TRW.COM
Reply to: RE>Spectropop V#0063
<My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new"
in The Leader of the Pack!! I wrote thXXX@XXXXXXears ago,
when I first got it, but got no satisfaction. Otherwise, I
think the set is fine for what it is...putting all the BB
best songs in one place. RB>
I'm assuming the stereo mix of "Leader of the Pack" is
what's used on the Brill Building box (I'm not home right
now to check). This mix (missing the one line of the last
verse) is the original stereo mix as made back in the 60's
(I used to have a radio station various artists LP from the
60's that had the same mix). When I've seen this brought up
elsewhere (possibly in Goldmine) it was speculated that
sometime after the mono mix was made, but before the stereo,
the multitrack was damaged, and that the missing line edited
out of the stereo mix is where the damage was. Sounds
plausible, but I don't know if anybody's ever been able to
substantiate this for certain. If anyone has a full and
complete true stereo mix of "Leader of the Pack" I'd love to
be steered to a copy, but I doubt it exists.
And as for hits where the cover has become a definitive or
at least a stand-alone version, the Beach Boys "I Can Hear
Music" is a no-brainer. The Jeff Barry-produced Ronettes
original on Philles is just plain lacking, whereas the
Carl-produced BB version is simply transcendant, with one of
Carl's best leads ever. But then you all already know
that!:-)
Jeffrey
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Subject: covers
Sent: 4/9/98 1:19 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
Big L said:
>I have been thinking about cover versions. In my
>estimation, here are some that became "stand alone"
>versions, maybe better than the original, certainly
>different enough to consider them on their own merits:
>
>Go Away Little Girl - Happenings
>Who Do You Love - Woolies
>Light My Fire - Jose Feliciano
>Tracks Of My Tears - Johnny Rivers
>Walk Away Renee - Four Tops
>Anyone want to add to the list?
What a neat topic! Right away I can think of one, out of
the Motown stable:
Heard It Through The Grapevine: Marvin Gaye/Gladys Knight &
The Pips (plus, at the dawn of the seventies, a third cover
by CCR)
> Or, what are the most pointless covers of all time?
Recent Beach Boys recordings are more than a little guilty
of this phenomenon: Several cuts on Summer In Paradise and
almost the entire Stars & Stripes album have no real
justification for existing.
jack
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Little Eva
Sent: 4/9/98 5:16 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
About Little Eva's "Sharing you." I'll bet it was the demo
Vee learned the song from, a la the Dimension Dolls LP of
demos!
Doc
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0063
Sent: 4/9/98 5:53 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: RGSauer, RGSaXXX@XXXXXXm
In a message dated 98-04-08 14:22:23 EDT, you write:
<< From: Michael Carpenter
Hi folks...
I'm a newbie here thanks to Jamie LePage. Looks like a lot
of fun. Some of you i already recognise.. ahh the power of
infamy, and the rest, i look forward to not getting too much
in the way until i know what I'm talking about.
Catch A Wave
Michael >>
Me too to all of the above. Thanks Jamie.
Ron
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Subject: Re: Brill Building CD
Sent: 4/9/98 10:08 AM
Received: 4/10/98 1:42 AM
From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXXXXrax.com
ELRON BEE <ELRONXXX@XXXXXXm> commented:
>My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new"
>in The Leader of the Pack!! I wrote them about it years ago,
>when I first got it, but got no satisfaction. Otherwise, I
>think the set is fine for what it is...putting all the BB
>best songs in one place. RB
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I believe all of the stereo versions of this song are
missing this line for some reason.
The BRILL BUILDING CD is the only widely-available CD I know
of that even has the stereo version at all; there are well
over three dozen others that have the complete mono version,
in varying levels of sound quality.
But none of the songs on the CD are re-recorded "fake"
versions, which was my point.
For more, check out Mike Callahan's BOTH SIDES NOW Web page.
--MFW
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Subject: Leader of the Pack stereo mix
Sent: 4/9/98 6:07 AM
Received: 4/9/98 7:28 AM
From: RGSauer, RGSaXXX@XXXXXXm
In a message dated 98-04-08 14:22:23 EDT, you write:
<< From: ELRON BEE, ELRONXXX@XXXXXXm
In a message dated 4/6/98 12:35:10 PM, you wrote:
My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new"
in The Leader of the Pack!! I wrote them about it years ago,
when I first got it, but got no satisfaction. Otherwise, I
think the set is fine for what it is...putting all the BB
best songs in one place. RB >>
My copy is the same. I have heard a couple of different
mixes of LOTP but never like that. I agree about all the BB
songs. Love that Earl-Jean. I like the Hermits, but when I
hear their version of "I'm into Something Good", I cringe.
I took my first trip to NY a month or so ago. While walking
around my wife pointed out that we were passing the Brill
Building. I immediately fell to my knees and began to
worship. What a kick!
Ron
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Subject: Leader of the Pack stereo mix
Sent: 4/9/98 9:02 AM
Received: 4/10/98 1:42 AM
From: Big L, biXXX@XXXXXXmail.com
>>My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new"
in The Leader of the Pack!!
There was a mix that deleted that line. I also have it on a
Dick Clark Greatest Hits of Rock compilation (8 track - yes,
I have a working 8 track. Does that say something about me?)
It IS a very clumsy edit, and I can't for the life of me
figure out the reason behind it.
==
Big L
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