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Volume #0007 11/06/97
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Subject: Ronettes - Stereo and Wagnerian
Sent: 11/6/97 12:15 AM
Received: 11/6/97 3:19 AM
From: MCG&WSM, wmacbXXX@XXXXXXt.co.uk
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Paul Urbahns writes:
>I am probably one of the few that actually like to hear Phil
>Spector's work in stereo.
Aha! Another heretic! Come over here and join me at the stake, fella.
Can I be the only person who genuinely prefers the stereo mix of the
Ronettes album to the mono? The same goes for the Righteous Brothers
tracks. (Please put your axes down, folks, especially the Mark Linett
custom ones that do the *really* thin slices). The Polydor reissue of
the Ronettes album from the mid-1970s was in stereo, but I don't think
the stereo mix has made it to CD; if it has, somebody *please* tell me.
If you have the complete set of the Polydor Wall of Sound series, it's
starting to look like the bank is the right place to keep them, judging
from some of the prices I've seen recently. Mine are staying *right*
where they are, by the way. Those records are Holy Writ.
On a related, slightly arcane point. At the end of the Ronettes' When I
Saw You, the strings play what has always seemed to me to be a quotation
from the end of Wagner's Tristan und Isolde - so close that classical
musicians always start with surprise when they hear it. Does anyone know
if this was deliberate? If so, it's a great musical gag; if not, it's an
astonishing coincidence. I'd be intrigued to know.
Watson
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Subject: Phil Spector Christmas LP
Sent: 11/5/97 12:50 AM
Received: 11/5/97 2:30 AM
From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Jamie asked about my copy of the Spector LP:
>Hey, Dicky, what label is your LP on? Is it on Apple or Warner
>with a blue sleeve? Perhaps its the rare PSI pressing with the
>animated drawing of Spector in a Santa Claus suit? These (all?)
>are in STEREO!!!
OK...got it right in front of me...actually off to the side a little. The
label says "Phil Spector International Records". It is manufactured and
marketed by Rhino and dated 1987. Front cover is white with pictures of
Darlene, Bob B. Soxx, Crystals, and Ronettes all popping out of gift
boxes. It is not in stereo...digitally remastered momo.
My best guess is that is worth about 8 zillion dollars.
DICKYG
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Subject: horizontal not vertical
Sent: 11/5/97 5:45 AM
Received: 11/6/97 12:23 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Spectropop List,spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com,Internet writes:
>>...my search for "new" music is horizontal, not vertical, and
>>it is always exciting to discover music from that era that I
>>wasn't aware of.
>You hit on something very important: Friends and I often
>discuss how incredible it is that we're *still* discovering
>great music from 62-67.
Can I add an amen to this? Horizontal not vertical is a great way to put
it. When I'd find a record that I love, I'd look for names that seemed
attached to the cuts that I particularly liked, then I'd search out those
names in other places, which might then lead me to still more names.
Jeff Barry in particular carried me a very long way in just such a
fashion, in fact leading me to places I didn't think I'd end up in, such
as for instance the theme song to The Jeffersons.
And now for my own very latest "discovery," a band I'd never heard of
until I had the pleasure of listening to a handful of cuts of theirs on a
tape that Francis Greene recently sent me: The Flowerpotmen. It's
fanTAStic stuff, "truly"-petsounds-style instrumental tracks with vocals
that remind me of the Turtles. Can I send out a call please for more
information about them? Are they honest to goodness as good as "Let's Go
To San Francisco," "A Walk In The Sky," "Am I Losing You," "Silicon
City," and "Man Without A Woman" lead me to believe?
jack
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Lesser-known Writers
Sent: 11/5/97 9:20 PM
Received: 11/6/97 12:23 AM
From: David Marsteller, davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Sorry for the long post (Dave's chat line???)
> David Marsteller said:
>> I thought it would be interesting if other list members would like >>to
share names of lesser-known 60's writers that they look for >>while
record browsing. One that I have fun looking for is Artie >>Resnick.
Artie's two big songs are "Under The Boardwalk" and >>"Good Lovin'".
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then Marc Wielage said
>
> Here's the songs I know about that were written by Artie Resnick:
>
> "Chip Chip" - Gene McDaniels (Liberty 55405)
> "Good Lovin'" - The Young Rascals (Atlantic 2321)
> "I've Got Sand in My Shoes" - The Drifters (Atlantic 2253)
> "Keep the Ball Rollin'" - Jay & The Techniques (Smash 2124)
> "Quick Joey Small (Run, Joey, Run)" - Kasenetz Katz Singing Orchestral
> Circus (Buddah 64)
> "Run, Run, Run" - The Third Rail (Epic 10191)
> "Under the Boardwalk" - The Drifters (Atlantic 2237)
> "Yummy Yummy Yummy" - The Ohio Express (Buddah 38)
>
> There's probably a lot more listed over on the BMI Web site.
Yes, I expect so. I was wrong about the Banana Splits, though Al Kooper
turned up in the songwriting credits on that lp. The two recent finds of
Resnick songs were:
"All's Quiet On West 23rd" -Julie Budd (MGM K-13925)
"Baby, Put Your Arms Around Me" -Ronnie Dove (Diamond D-173)
then Jamie said:
>This is a good time to mention that the well-known songwriters
>(sometimes producers) too are prime candidates for discussion
>here and I would like to see discographies on these writers
>made available as internet reference material; from Leiber/
>Stoller to Boyce/Hart in the Spectropop definition of 60's
>music. Concerning lesser known writers, do Toni Wine, Beverly
>Ross and Carol Connors qualify as lesser-known? Well known to
>me, but household names?
Lesser-known is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. ;) That reminds me,
I'll have to give that old Toni Wine single a spin. I guess once you get
past Goffin/King, Mann/Weil, Barry/Greenwich, Leiber/Stoller, they're all
lesser known.
skipping to Brent's post...
>
>Third, if recording artists became unashamed (and uncriticised)
>for depending on sources outside themselves for their
>material, maybe we'd have a host of rock and roll bands as
>great as the Searchers.
Gee, where's Jackie Deshannon nowadays? And I wish Sonny Bono would
forget about politics and write another "Needles And Pins" (no chance,
right?).
Later,
Dave
(who's thrilled to have found a copy of Ellie Greenwich's "Composes,
Produces and Sings" for $4. Drat it's mail order though....)
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Subject: DickyG's Xmas LP
Sent: 11/5/97 5:48 AM
Received: 11/6/97 12:23 AM
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
DICKYG opines about his Spector Christmas album:
>My best guess is that is worth about 8 zillion dollars.
maybe you can trade it straight up for Jake Foutz's photocopy of a Brian
Wilson autograph from one of the BB twofers.
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Re: Christmas Album in stereo
Sent: 11/6/97 10:23 AM
Received: 11/6/97 12:23 AM
From: David R. Modny, dmoXXX@XXXXXXcom.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Paul Urbahns wrote:
> I am probably one of the few that actually like to hear Phil Spector's
> work in stereo.
I too prefer the stereo mixes. One of my current CD faves for this is
"The Ronettes - Ultimate Collection" ( although the Xmas cuts are mono :(
). It's on the Marginal Records label out of Brussels. Sounds like a
combination of a clean vinyl and tape source, but the best quality I've
heard yet for some of these tracks, after hearing similar CD's of dubious
legality. Anyone know of a better one, quality wise, for the 'Ronettes'
stuff in stereo ?.
Thanx,
Dave Modny
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Subject: Re: Return To Brill Days
Sent: 11/6/97 1222 AM
Received: 11/6/97 12:23 AM
From: Jamie Lepage, le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Brent Kubasta wrote:
>>Cookies "I Never Dreamed"...
>
>I *love* this record.
Anyone else? I Never Dreamed could be among the best girl group records
ever!
>The oldies station is Cleveland is better than most, but of all the
>*thousands* of records to choose from it's nearly always the same old
>hits. e.g., instead of "Do You Believe in Magic", why not spin "Darling,
>Be Home Soon."?
My turn. I love this record.
>>So when did recordings start to eclipse compositions in terms
>>of importance? I think it came as a result of the advent of
>>the 45 rpm record.
>I think the key question here is when did *sound* and/or performance
>become more important or just as important as the song itself?
Absolutely. That was my point.
>(Of course, all of the above is based on the assumption that
>most people care about good songwriting, so feel free to
>laugh away!)
I don't think so. The importance of good songwriting is not lost to the
members of this list.
LePageWeb
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Subject: Re: Return To Brill Days
Sent: 11/5/97 9:22 PM
Received: 11/6/97 12:23 AM
From: Don Richardson, drichXXX@XXXXXXcom
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Great observations and comments. While discussion of this group might be
a year or two outside the intent of this list, it reminds me of when a
did some research early this year on "Three Dog Night." Their first LP
was comprised nearly entirely by songs written by the band members (Danny
Hutton, Cory Wells, and Chuck Negron). But basically, they pretty much
blew their creative songwriting paycheck on their first album and they
realized it. They would rarely ever again include one of their own songs
on an album. They were attacked in the music rags for it, but they have
been laughing to the bank ever since. If you look at some of their hits
you will find the following:
One - Harry Nilsson
Eli's Coming - Laura Nyro
Cowboy - Randy Newman
Mama Told Me Not To Come - Randy Newman
Joy to the World - Hoyt Axton (who used to open for "The Dawgs")
Don't Make Promises - Tim Hardin
Loner - Neil Young
Liar - Russ Ballard
It's for You - Lennon and McCartney
Just an Old Fashioned Love Song - Paul Williams
Family of Man - Paul Williams and Jack Conrad
One Man Band - Leo Sayer
The Show Must Go On - Leo Sayer
In fact, the only real super-hit they had that was written by them was
"Celebrate" - Hutton/Negron.
Going against the norm of the time, they instead sought out the best
songs written by others and had more top 40, top 10, and number 1 songs
than any other American artist between 1969 and 1974.
Don Richardson
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