________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Other albums you will be sure to enjoy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 24 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 350: 1. Brian Wilson, Tin House magazine From: "Tom Knott" 2. Important Curt Boettcher news From: Jason Penick 3. Re: San Francisco Earthquake(s) From: Stephane Rebeschini 4. re: Mr. Sandman From: "Jack Madani" 5. Re: Jack Nitzsche - KHJ / basslines From: Michael Rashkow 6. Re: CD Towers From: Michael Marino 7. Turtle Soup From: Andrew Hickey 8. brian wilson London From: Paul 9. Not Yester; Kenny Young; Esquivel From: "Paul Payton" 10. Re: Juan Garcia Esquivel From: Dan Hughes 11. Re: early Motown CDs From: "John Lester" 12. Re: brian wilson London From: "John Lester" 13. Re: brian wilson London From: "decmeehan" 14. Re: brian wilson London From: Andrew Hickey 15. RPM & 3 UK Girl Group Compilations, You MUST have!! From: "Martin Roberts" 16. Harry Young/Lou Christie And WOOOOH The Tammys!!! From: "Martin Roberts" 17. Re: Jack Nitzsche - KHJ From: "Ken Levine" 18. Re: Jimmy Mack From: "Don Charles" 19. More Magic Lamp From: "Harvey Williams" 20. Re: McCoys and Feldmans From: James Botticelli 21. Re: Sunshine Mind From: "Don Charles" 22. Fuzzy Bunnies From: "David Gordon" 23. Brute Force, Al Anderson/Wildweeds From: "Paul Payton" 24. Just For The Record (so to speak) From: Michael Rashkow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:28:28 -0800 From: "Tom Knott" Subject: Brian Wilson, Tin House magazine Not sure if this has been covered here, if so I apologize. In the most recent issue of Tin House Magazine (the Music Issue) an article titled: "Brian Wilson: Not The Little Boy I Once Knew" by Andrew Hultkrans discusses the effect that the film Seconds (John Frankenheimer) had on Brian and the way the film parallels Brian's life. Quote; "According to a friend who was at Wilson's house when he returned from the movie theater, Seconds had a profound effect on the young composer. Agitated, Wilson related how the first thing he heard was someone saying hello to him. "It completely blew my mind," he said. Then: "That's not all . . . the whole thing was there. I mean my whole life. Birth and death and rebirth. Even the beach was in it. It was my whole life right there on the screen. "When his friend suggested it might be a coincidence, Wilson replied, "What if it's real? You know there's mind gangsters these days. There could be mind gangsters, couldn't there? I mean look at [Phil] Spector, he could be involved in it, couldn't he? He's going into films. How hard would it be for him to set something up like that?". The article goes on to talk about the Pet Sounds and Smile sessions and Brian's experiments with LSD. Tom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:36:14 EST From: Jason Penick Subject: Important Curt Boettcher news Surfing the web the other day, I ran across the following URL: http://www.swiftsite.com/gearfab/index2a.htm This page is a listing of upcoming releases from a label called Gear Fab. Scrolling down the page, I saw the improbable announcement that the long-lost Boettcher / Olsen produced Together Records lp MOSES LAKE is slated for release in February of '02! For those who don't know, Moses Lake was a band formerly known as the Bards who had some success in their original incarnation as a sort of Paul Revere-ish Northwest R&B/ pop band. By the time they hooked up with Curt and Keith, their sound was more geared towards psychedelic rock, or at least that's how they come across on their 1969 Together Records single "Oobleck"/ "Moses". The Moses Lake album is referred to as a masterpiece by those lucky enough to have heard it. If anybody has any verification that this release is legit, could they please mention something on this board? The Gear Fab page had no links to any order form, and it has a sort of low budget look that makes me uncertain if this is an actual record label or somebody trying to pass themselves off as one. There are many other releases slated, according to the page, including the long lost THE CHILDREN, which is actually Eternity's Children's third lp. I would ask any Curt Boettcher fans to check this URL out for themselves, and I'd be interested in hearing your assessments. Jason Penick --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:41:54 +0100 From: Stephane Rebeschini Subject: Re: San Francisco Earthquake(s) Bob Rashkow wrote: > > Hi out there, on the American Psychedelic artists link Ms. > Rebeschini only has one 45 listed for The San Francisco > Earthquake on Smash--is this only for released recordings? > Kenny Young & this group really are far out and I have in > my possession 2 SMASH 45s from approx. '68, "Sophia" b/w > "Hold The Night", and a really tremendous recording which > also utilizes a "Lennoesque sitar" etc. to create that > mystical sound but also has wonderful bubblegummy lyric, > "March Of The Jingle-Jangle People" b/w "Bring Me Back A > Little Water" which is decidedly more in the folk-rock > vein. Needless to say these are both DJ copies. I > understand they put out a couple more of these 45s as > well. Does anybody out there know any more about this > obscure but talented band? > > --------------------------------------------------------- Bonjour de France About The Fuzz, Acid & Flowers site The site is originally based on a Vernon Joynson book published in England. "Fuzz, Acid & Flowers" tries to gather datas : detailed discographies with reissues, group line-up and story, comments about the records... about the US "rock" scene between 1963/1975 (roughly). The various writers are mostly fans of garage, psychedelic music, prog rock, folk rock, hippie music... and not really of pure "pop". Therefore you can find some entries with bad comments about records a "pop" fan would maybe like (the recent "Collage" discussion is a good example). Thousands of groups released records during the period and obviously the career of many is extremely hard to document. What you read in "Fuzz" can be partly incorrect, so, as you can read on the first page : "any additional information we have missed will be gratefully received. Please send corrections and additions. I wrote the San Francisco Earthquake entry after I found a single. I was then unaware of other records, that's why you see only one single mentioned. I now know that they released some others and found some additional info about Kenny Young. An update will be made in the next weeks, but you can always send me more info if you can help! Mr Stephane Rebeschini (not a Ms.!) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:48 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: re: Mr. Sandman responding to a post from before Christmas: > The Supremes (Di, Flo and Mary) did a wonderful version > of "Mr Sandman" and when there is enough demand, I am > sure they will consider issuing it! Say, I saw the Supremes perform this on Hullabaloo over Christmas holiday, when American Movie Classics ran several of the Hullabaloo episodes. The 'Premes did a very good job, with tight 3-part block harmonies. I was impressed; Miss Ross didn't stick out but rather blended right in. Those Hullabaloo's were a lot of fun to watch, although the color episodes were far, far groovier than the black and white ones. Favorite moments: Jackie DeShannon singing "A Lifetime Of Loneliness" and sporting super-obvious hand gestures such as would make Mike Love proud; Joanie Sommers singing a big-production version of "Before And After Losing You" (what a great song, and until I heard the Fleetwoods singing it I'd never heard of it before); and the Mamas & Papas singing "California Dreaming" on a set with a lot of bathtubs ('member their first album cover?), and during the instrumental break all the Hullabaloo Dancers popped up out of the bathtubs and did the frug! Or maybe it was the watusi. At any rate, it was gloriously weird. or, as Rich Kotite would say, "how bizah." jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:47:51 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche - KHJ / basslines In a message dated 1/10/2002 Ken writes: > Are Nitzsche fans aware of a whole instrumental jingle > package he created for 93/KHJ Los Angeles back in the > Boss Radio late 60's era. Ten or fifteen minute long > cuts employing the KHJ logo done in different arrangments. > They're quite remarkable. Ken- Can I get a copy? In a message dated 1/10/2002 Jack writes: > In the verses, the chord progression shifts down a > whole step from the Tonic, but the bass ostinato stays on > the Tonic. I LOVE when that happens. Jack, me too, I'll have a gin and tonic. Rashkovsky --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:16:33 -0000 From: Michael Marino Subject: Re: CD Towers --- In spectropop, "Robert Conway" wrote: > I very much enjoyed reading about the CDs that some of > you have in your towers. I saw some titles that are > quite interesting and some artists that are available > via alternative labels. I always enjoy this type of > information as well as lists of fave Beach Boys' covers, > etc. Please don't be shy. We all can learn a thing or > two so please keep 'em coming. I could use a new system, as I'm constantly moving disks in and out of rotation and it's getting time-consuming! Here is what I've been listening to lately... 1. All Things Must Pass - George Harrison 2. Classic Sinatra 3. Love And Theft - Bob Dylan (this CD is an American Music history lesson... it is incredible!) 4. A Farewell To Kings - Rush 5. Sunflower - The Beach Boys 6. Dave Brubeck (Ken Burns Jazz) 7. Goddess in the Doorway - Mick Jagger 8. Songs from the West Coast - Elton John 9. Dig - Boz Scaggs 10. American Recordings - Johnny Cash 11. Aja - Steely Dan 12. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap - AC/DC 13. All That You Can't Leave Behind - U2 14. Fever and other Hits - Peggy Lee 15. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd 16. Maroon - Barenaked Ladies 17. Live at the Roxy - Brian Wilson 18. Everyday - Dave Matthews Band --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:16:12 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Turtle Soup I'm probably recommending something *all* of you know here, but for anyone else who's as out of the loop as me, I finally picked up Turtle Soup by the Turtles the other day, and I have to say it's one of the best soft pop albums I've ever heard. It's produced by Ray Davies, and it amazingly manages to combine the Elenore type pop stuff the Turtles were doing at the time with the pastoral feel of The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society. Absolutely stunning, and if anyone else here has been as stupid as me and not bought it yet, you should go out and do so. (Incidentally my version, on second hand vinyl, is an 80s remix which apparently has the orchestrations mixed higher as Ray Davies wanted it rather than with the band higher as the original 60s version had. Anyone know which mix is on the current CD and which is the better mix?) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Subject: brian wilson London Are any of the list members going to see Brian Wilson in London at the end of the month? I'm going on the Monday night - Can't wait! Paul - Ready Steady Go! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:54:19 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Not Yester; Kenny Young; Esquivel Harvey Williams wrote: > Jerry [Yester] composed "I Can Live Without You", so if > it is the same song as the Micky Jones 45, presumably > he's given the writing credit...? Nope - Larry Knechtel wrote and arranged both sides of the record. Probably not the same song.... Bob Rashkow wrote: > The San Francisco Earthquake on Smash--is this only for > released recordings? Kenny Young & this group really are > far out Could this be the same Kenny Young who did a late-60's album on WB called "Clever Dogs Chase the Sun"? The gorgeous lead track, "Me Without You" (not the Gary Bonner or Nilsson song) is a longtime fave. The LP was recorded at Rockfield in England, so probably not, but stranger things have happened - American Gary Wright made his name with Spooky Tooth in the UK, for example. RIP Esquivel. Irwin Chusid showed an old clip of a "rock & roll dance" at an Incorrect Video night a year or so ago; the visuals may have been way off, but what a tight innovatively-arranged swingin' band the man ran! (And thanks for the discography, too.) Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:00:22 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Juan Garcia Esquivel > ...he was still healthy enough in May 2001 > at the age of 82 to marry his 25-year-old home health > care worker, Carina Osario. But even with the age difference, they have a lot in common....They both like soup.... (What movie did I steal that line from? Best In Show, I think?) ---Dan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:01:35 -0000 From: "John Lester" Subject: Re: early Motown CDs Joseph Scott wrote: > I were dealing with a situation in which there were > "many many unmarked boxes" of tapes, and I planned to > try to put personnel credits on CDs, Allan "Dr. Licks" > Slutsky is not someone I would rely on, directly or > indirectly, in trying to determine who really played > what on what during '60s Motown sessions (none of > which Slutsky attended). Better to omit personnel > credits on a CD than credit the wrong musicians. Joseph... I have to say I think I probably come out in favour with you...the passage of time plays havoc with people's memories. Even if you were to establish the presence of someone on a session, there is no guarantee that they efforts appear on the final version. Take sweet Cal Street of the VELVELETTES who vividly recalls adding vocals to Stevie Wonder's "Fingertips". I said to her "Dearest Cal - I can't hear any backing vocals on that record unless you mean you are part of the crowd." She said "Oh, aren't there? Well I remember doing them!" I didn't know how to reply so I just smiled!!! Dr Licks has a big heart though... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:20:54 -0000 From: "John Lester" Subject: Re: brian wilson London Where is Brian Wilson appearing and what dates? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:49:20 -0000 From: "decmeehan" Subject: Re: brian wilson London --- In Spectropop, Paul wrote: > Are any of the list members going to see Brian Wilson > in London at the end of the month? > > I'm going on the Monday night - Can't wait! I'm going on the Wednesday night - excited beyond words and have turned down offers of hearing the 'Live at Roxy' CD as I want to experience BW and his band fresh and for the very first time....I'm sure I'll be in awe and disbelief that I'm so close to and have experienced total genius. Also, recent discussion of Andrew Loog Oldham productions has got me wondering (Kieron Tyler?) to when and if Del Shannon's 'Home and Away' will get a proper CD release as afforded to Oldam's Billy Nichols LP a few years back. The amazing Wilson/Spector/English soft pop style production needs to be heard more and its undiscovered masterpiece is totally deserved. Declan Meehan Manchester, England --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:55:10 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: brian wilson London --- Paul wrote: > Are any of the list members going to see Brian > Wilson in London at the end of the month? > I'm going on the Monday night - Can't wait! I think most of the UK people are. I'm going on the Monday and Tuesday. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:06:49 -0000 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: RPM & 3 UK Girl Group Compilations, You MUST have!! Mention of Lou & The Tammys reminds me. There was no comment on Dream Babies Vol 3, this is sooo good, click on to Amazon and buy your copy NOW! This, Vol 1 "Am I Dreaming" and the "Girls' Scene" (Decca Girl Groups) on Deram are three must haves!! Martin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:46:48 -0000 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: Harry Young/Lou Christie And WOOOOH The Tammys!!! So pleased to see Lou and The Tammys are soon to be released. How long ago was it that Jack Madani brought the CD to our attention? I for one (among hundreds!) can't wait. And so chuffed to see that Harry Young has again written the sleeve notes etc. A real fan, friendly, helpful and a mine of information. Martin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:35:55 -0800 From: "Ken Levine" Subject: Re: Jack Nitzsche - KHJ From: Michael Rashkow writes: > > Ken- Can I get a copy? I think I have a copy somewhere on reel to reel. If I can find it and transfer it you're absolutely welcome to a copy. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:10:50 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: Jimmy Mack >Speaking of Martha Reeves & The Vandellas has the 45 Mix >of "Jimmy Mack" ever been reissued in Stereo? Many of >the older CD comps use an alternate take with a slow >intro. The new "20th Century Masters" CD also uses this >take (someone at Universal wasn't paying attention!) There is a stereo version of "Jimmy Mack." It's can be found on The Vandella's 1967 LP WATCHOUT! which was reissued on vinyl in the '80s. However, it sounds like an alternate take or re-recording. It's not very much like the single mix at all. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:28:21 -0000 From: "Harvey Williams" Subject: More Magic Lamp Paul asks about the corporate background of the Magic Lamp label > Looking at Mick Patrick's Magic Lamp discography (way to > go, Mick!), someone at that label must have been > well-connected to the biz. Johnny Burnette, Morton Downey, > Jr. (yes, him), the previously-discussed Jane Canada, > Vince Edwards (Dr. Kildare?), Karen Carpenter, Jan & Dean, > the Larry Knechtel work on the Mickey Jones 45.... Anyone > know any corporate background? Thanks again, Mick. Below is taken from sleevenotes to the Carpenters' "From The Top" box set: "Joe Osborn was one of LA's leading studio musicians throughout most of the '60s and into the '70s (he moved to Nashville in 1974). He and a partner formed Magic Lamp Records in 1966, with Joe acting as A&R man & engineer & furnishing his garage studio for the recording. Karen, who had recently turned 16, was signed to Magic Lamp on May 13th 1966....." <snip> Very well connected, then! Joe was a wrecking crew regular...so, over to you Carol! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 20 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:01:59 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: McCoys and Feldmans In a message dated 1/15/02 Michael writes: > Feldman-Goldstein-Gottehrer later a/k/a The Strangeloves. > I believe there was a lot of McCoys involvement with > these guys. Rick Derringer??? and company. "Hang On Sloopy" was originally by The Vibrations. "Fever", of course, was a proven standard. "Come On Let's Go" was a Richie Valens cover... So it had to be the post "hit" McCoys who utilized the talents of Thee Three...I used to have a stack 'o' Bang 45's by the McCoys but alas they have all slipped through these finagling fingers...JB --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 21 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:07:46 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: Sunshine Mind > Jimmy "Wiz" Wisner produced a recording of Sunshine > Mind with Donna Marie -- it was the A-side, and > released by Columbia. (I still have some copies of > that one.) This is true! Years ago, Donna Marie sent me a tape cassette with her recording of "Sunshine Mind" on it. Great song. However, the single Jimmy Wisner had the biggest hopes for (or so he told me) was Donna's waxing of "He Gives Me Love (La La La)," which ultimately became one of Lesley Gore's last chart records. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 22 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:30:13 -0000 From: "David Gordon" Subject: Fuzzy Bunnies Hi Mike, Jeeeeeez, that's what I call a post - I'll digest it thoroughly later : - ) A couple of names rang bells with me - Chuck Alden went on to join a Long Island band the Illusion who had a Mitch Ryder produced single on Dynovoice then moved to Jeff Barry's Steed label for four albums and a stack of singles a few of them charting on Billboard ("Did You See Her Eyes" among them ) John Turi - didn't he play in a band called Bulldog with a couple of ex- Young / Rascals. This would be around 73 - 75. David Gordon. "No Good To Cry" - is that the Al Anderson song he wrote for the Wildweeds and subsquently covered by a whole bunch of people including John Fred and the Playboy Band ? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 23 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:41:59 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Brute Force, Al Anderson/Wildweeds To Mike Rashkow: thanks for the extensive notes. First, the easy part, re: the McCoys. I do know that FGG (Feldman-Gottehrer-Goldstein) were the musical force behind much of Bang, especially after Bert Berns passed on; they indeed produced the McCoys' best stuff. Incidentally, anyone who doesn't know it might want to discover "Don't Worry Mother (Your Son's Heart Is Pure)," a later Bang McCoys track - superb pop with quite the mood swing. I'm fascinated by your involvement with some of my favorite songs in "altered" forms. I was one of the rare on-air people who played Brute Force's "Confections of Love" when it was new (on WBRU in Providence), and consider many tracks to be masterpieces - like a Broadway show on LSD. "No Olympian Height" is one of his most underrated songs in my opinion, and I have the Other Voices' version on a DJ 45 - nice effort, but not the bite of the original. (By the way, via Irwin Chusid when he recently interviewed Brute on WFMU, I asked about the inspiration for the song; he said it came from the Grecian urns in many romantic paintings, such as those by Maxfield Parrish.) I believe "Arthur" (no S) was the name of the NYC high-priced early disco. (I think Sybil Burton, Richard's ex, financed it.) I only remember the Fuzzy Bunnies by name (once you heard a name like that who wouldn't?), but "No Good To Cry" author Al Anderson and I go back into rock history. His band, The Wildweeds, was a chart-topping act with every release in Hartford/Springfield/New Haven, their home area. (This was back in the mid-60's when you could have a thriving local scene; for example, see also Wilmer & the Dukes and the All Night Workers in upstate New York.) My old group, Benefit Street, played with the Wildweeds in Vermont for the same club owner back in 1970, and Al and I became friendly; he said at the time his goal was to be in NRBQ. The 'Weeds live were astonishing musically - great playing, excellent original songs. I think that two contributing factors to their never breaking out nationally were (1) they shared their "good looks" with the likes of the Atlanta Rhythm Section, no small factor for a "singles" act at the time; and (2) more relevant to Mike's comments, they weren't black. Many DJ's assumed "No Good To Cry" was done by a black group, as it was on Cadet (part of Chess), was breaking out on R&B stations first, and had Al's soulful shout as a lead voice. When a full-page ad in the trades had a picture of this ugly (forgive me, but it's true) white group - with a blind drummer, no less! - airplay vaporized overnight, and sadly sales followed. Many covers of the song followed (including the aforementioned Fuzzy Bunnies), but none touched the original. Another factor working against the Wildweeds may have been their diversity - they could do country as well as R&B and straight-ahead rock; if you're unfamiliar with it, check out the gorgeous country-soft-pop "And When She Smiles" from their c. 1970 Vanguard LP - another Top 5 45 in Hartford. Later, when I moved to Hartford to DJ and music-direct at freeform WHCN in late '71, Al had fulfilled his dream and had just joined "the Q." Impressed by their live performances and bolstered by Al's local legendary status, my station led the charge in playing all kinds of NRBQ music in a groundswell of heavy rotation. Years later, Al credited me with "breaking" and helping to establish the band nationally (I'll take partial credit, but lots of us aficianados helped) and offered to play on a record I was planning. Years later, in 1985, I took him up on it; my 45, "Boys Like Girls" (Presence 4501 - out of print, but I still have the masters) came out - and promptly "went back in." It rocked though, and Al's uncredited playing on the track is what really drove it. (I wish more people could have heard it, and although I don't have any immediate plans, it could be licensed to anyone reliable who wanted to give it wider circulation.) And catching up to the present, Al Anderson has become a successful Nashville-based songwriter and is (I assume) living happily ever after so far. (And y'all thought Rashkovski went on....) Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 24 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:47:53 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: Just For The Record (so to speak) I just want to say to the whole group that in my opinion, the quality of the prose (as well as the wit and information quotient ) found on this site is astonishingly high. Is there a demonstrable relationship between interest in 60's music and high IQ and/or language skills? Rashkovsky --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End