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There are 21 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 375:
1. Playing Catch-Up with Aki & Henerietta
(Sherrif & Baby Jane too)
From: "Martin Roberts"
2. Henrietta solo/Dora Hall
From: "Ian Chapman"
3. Re: recording album tricks and Idolmaker
From: "Don Charles"
4. And As Elektra...Baby Jane!
From: John Clemente
5. NEED SOME HELP
From: Justin McDevitt
6. Re: Grace of My Heart
From: "Robert Conway"
7. Re: Petty Booka
From: Ted L.
8. Aki Aleong
From: Brian Chidester
9. Who's A lucky Boy?
From: "Martin Roberts"
10. The Buggs - Beetle Beat
From: Paul Urbahns
11. Re: New Archies
From: "Laura.E.Pinto"
12. Rock Flowers
From: "Spectropop Administration"
13. Re: Something From Ages Back.
From: Michael Rashkow
14. Re: New Archies
From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
15. Re: Something From Ages Back.
From: "Den Lindquist"
16. Re: Something From Ages Back.
From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
17. Re: Dora Hall
From: Simon White
18. Re: The Buggs - Beetle Beat
From: Stephane Rebeschini
19. Re: Andrew Gold
From: "Robert Conway"
20. one more Thing You Do...
From: Alan Gordon
21. Admin note - rich text and attachments / AOL syle quoting
From: Spectropop Group
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:26:12 -0000
From: "Martin Roberts"
Subject: Playing Catch-Up with Aki & Henerietta
(Sherrif & Baby Jane too)
Re:-Aki Aleong, I only have Sherrif/Revells on boot
(Vol5 of Explosive Doowops-great series) original
release VeeJay 306, he's credited as a Co-writer. Agree
with Country Paul & Marc, great song. don't ask me a
Brit what there singing about, 'feel' of the record is
bit like it was tailored for line dancing!
John Blair's essential Illustrated Discography of Surf
Music notes Aki Aleong as a Hawaiian entertainer based
in Los Angeles. His 'surf' entry Mary Ann(Come Surf With
Me) Vee Jay 520, with an album of the same name by Aki &
The Nobles.
The one 45 I have by him (Vee Jay 527) ties in with Phil
Reeves (Martha's lad) message about his co-producing
work with Jackie Lee. It's a New York styled soul ballad
wr. Feldman Gottehrer Goldstein "Giving Up On Love" very
good, better known later as a 'hit' for Jerry Butler.
Re:-Henrietta And The Hairdooz/Baby Jane And the
Rockabyes (so easy when you're told! Thank You John)
Theboyfromxtown (great name!) asked if there songs are
any good. Yes, have two-and other one on tape which I
can't play at present-all really a continuation of Baby
Jane. Slow Motion has the same feel as Darlene's Bob B
Soxx records, stompy, sax breaks and a Bobby Sheen bass
singer. You've Got a Lot To Learn is 'softer'-if these
girls could ever sing soft! It Might as Well Be Me,
softer still! (but still souly). saving the best till
last Penn Station wr Brass-Levine(and that man
again)-Kooper. Fabulous lead vocal, great backing,
crashing drums, super melody and passionate lyrics about
what she's going to do with her man when his train pulls
into the station! My 2 45's have same arr (Garry Sherman)
& pr (Ed Silvers) credits. I'd also lay money (if I was a
gambling man!) that if Mick reckons Henrietta & Baby
Jane are also The Lullabyes & Electras, they are!
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:47:39 -0000
From: "Ian Chapman"
Subject: Henrietta solo/Dora Hall
John:-
My copy of Liberty 55606 "We'll Work It Out"/"I Love Him"
is credited to a solo Henrietta. Both are Udell/Geld
songs, and the topside is obviously very influenced by
Ruby & the Romantics' "Our Day Will Come". On both sides,
Henrietta displays a rich, mellow side to her voice,
quite different to the Baby Jane & the Rockabyes
material.
Simon:-
Don't know "Pretty Boy" by Dora Hall, but I have one by
her called "New Boy". That one's penned by the Addrisi
Brothers, and out of interest, has her version of a Tony
Hatch song, "Let Me Tell You Baby", on the flip.
Ian
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 00:55:09 +0000
From: "Don Charles"
Subject: Re: recording album tricks and Idolmaker
> > Talking of movies that portray the early years of rock
> > 'n' roll, don't forget "The Idolmaker," with music
> > written by (you guessed it) Jeff Barry...
Fantastic movie. And I agree with Mikey that the
soundtrack is way too 80s sounding in terms of
production. I still think the songs are good and have a
certain 50s / 60s quality even if they're somewhat
bombastic in other ways.
I'm a bit confused about what you mean by "80s-sounding."
At the time "The Idolmaker" soundtrack album was
released, the music on the radio was power ballads, New
Wave rock 'n' roll and the remnants of disco. Those
tracks don't sound anything like that to me. That Jeff
Barry's production values may not have allowed for as
much of a "retro" sound as was warranted is certainly a
debatable point. However, I can't buy the argument that
those songs couldn't have been written and recorded in
the '60s. Jeff Barry's approach to lyrics and melody
haven't changed all that much over the years. It's
worth noting that the director, Taylor Hackford, has
expressed no misgivings about Jeff's music. On the
contrary, he's gone on the record as saying that it he
loved it.
Thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry about
improving album playback quality. Good tips!
Don Charles
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:14:41 -0500
From: John Clemente
Subject: And As Elektra...Baby Jane!
Hello All,
Right you are, Mick! I can't wait for the interview to
find out all the other hidden facts about the group.
Regards,
John
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:13:24 -0600
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: NEED SOME HELP
Hello Spectropop Group,
I mentioned some weeks ago that I am putting together a
Girl Group compilation which I have almost completed. One
of the tracks that I would like to include is Randy by
Earl Jean McCrea.
I know that this song is included on The Complete Cookies
(Dimensions sessions) Cd as well as on another Cookies
retrospective Cd.
I have placed orders for the Complete Cookies Cd at a
number of online music stores. However, the Cd has been
on backorder for about two months and I have cancelled my
orders having renewed them a number of times since early
December.
I wil continue to look for his Cd. However, in the
meantime I would like to complete this compilation.
I would appreciate a music file of this track, or
suggestions on a couple of reliable sites that I may not
have contacted that might have the CD.
Justin
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:01:07 -0600
From: "Robert Conway"
Subject: Re: Grace of My Heart
Marc Miller: I agree with you regarding the suicide
scene in "Grace..." Tributes, acknowledgments, etc.
such as you mentioned happen frequently in movies. They
can be obvious or subtle and most of the time the paying
public is oblivious. The parallel wasn't with Ray
Milland's character's method of suicide and Carole King
and the Beach Boys, but rather the parallel was with
suicide (method of) in one flick and suicide (method of)
in a later flick.
To Alan Gordon: It does seem silly to pursue this as
we'll never know unless we ask the writer and/or the
director. In any case, kudos to Spectropop for
re-evaluating, dissecting, and resurrecting an
overlooked and generally panned, trippy, revisionist
movie, which I just happen to really enjoy.
-Bob Conway
>From: Alan Gordon
>
>Marc Miller on Grace of My Heart
>
> > I took this scene [when "Brian" commits suicide by lumbering
> > off into the blue pacific] as a tribute to "A Star is Born"
> > where Ray Milland (in the 50's version) does exactly the
> > same thing as the Brian character.
>
>You're probably right, Marc. I enjoy melodrama from the
>50's quite a bit... The Gene Krupa Story (title?) with
>Sal... but paralleling it with Carole King and The Beach
>Boys seemed so silly to me.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:35:48 -0700
From: Ted L.
Subject: Re: Petty Booka
> I own Petty Booka's "Wanna Be Your Girlfriend," a
> beautiful 60's-girl-groupified version of the Ramones'
> song, c. 1993. Who are they? Does their entire output
> go this route, or is this track an aberration?
> Country Paul
I recently read a review of this Toyko duo in "Tiki News"
#17. It appears from the review and their web site below
that they specialize in Hawaiiana arrangements of standards
and obscurities. They have also given bluegrass and C&W
treatments to both the non-precious and the few.
Ted L.
http://www.sister.co.jp/pettybooka/e-pb-disco.html
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:29:25 EST
From: Brian Chidester
Subject: Aki Aleong
I have a bunch of Aleong LPs, which are all pretty much
Hawaiian Lounge lite-fare. They are all really good,
great arrangements. The covers to two of those LPs are
direct take-offs of SURFIN' USA by the Beach Boys and
SURF CRAZY by the Lively Ones.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:01:03 -0000
From: "Martin Roberts"
Subject: Who's A lucky Boy?
As I'm typing this Lou & The Tammys are playing on my CD.
I'd forgotten I'd ordered this-way back in August-but
postie arrived bearing the most wonderful pressie a lad
could ever wish for!
Surf's Down! I'm doing The Egyptian Shumba!!!
Martin
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:32:52 EST
From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: The Buggs - Beetle Beat
Glenn wrote:
the Buggs' album, it's one of the best of the ersatz
American "Beetle" albums. Most likely the band is from
the NYC area.
I would have thought so to but the album clearly states
Recorded In England and only in mono. If it had been an
American recording it would have probly been produced in
stereo since Coronet was also a stereo label. Mono was
(at that time) still the basic system of recording in
England for rock records, or so I am told.
Thanks,
Paul Urbahns
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:24:18 -0000
From: "Laura.E.Pinto"
Subject: Re: New Archies
--- In spectropop, "Don Charles" wrote:
> Lou Pearlman's plan to mount a live Archies singing group
> will be, if successful, a first-of-its-kind effort. The
> original Archies were a studio group, not intended for
> live appearances (though they finally did sing live, in
> 1970, as a duo - not to mention the scores of bogus "live"
> Archies that appeared around the same time in the
> southern and midwestern USA)
I wish they had done the "live Archies" thing when I was
a kid enjoying the cartoon from 1968 through 1971. I
would have LOVED to have seen Ron Dante performing live
with Toni Wine and perhaps Jeff Barry and Andy Kim and
others, singing all the Archies songs I was so fond of.
On a similar note, I was disappointed back then that
plans to launch the three ladies who provided the singing
voices for Josie and the Pussycats as a real-live group
were apparently never followed through upon. I still
equate the Pussycats with Cathy, Cherie and Patrice, and
that's why I couldn't bring myself to see the movie last
year. And I'm afraid I'll always associate The Archies
with Ron Dante! I guess I'm just too set in my ways.
Laura
The Archies at Spectropop:
http://www.spectropop.com/go2/archies.html
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:36:49 +0900
From: "Spectropop Administration"
Subject: Rock Flowers
Posted to the Spectropop Bulletin board by Holly
on Sun, 03 Feb 2002
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Hello,
I suppose I'm an interloper on this list but I was doing
some research and found an old discussion post wondering
if the songs on the little records that came with the
Rock Flowers dolls were the same as on the albums.
I don't know what's on the albums but from the discussion
it appears I am the only person left with all the little
colored records. They have one track per side at 33-1/3
but the same song on the B-sides -- one song on three
discs and another on the last two. To set the record
straight I will list the information about each one but
you will have to match the titles to the albums to see if
there is anything different.
Here they are:
Lilac, yellow disc, Side 1 "Good Company," composed and
arranged by T. Hensley, Lyrics by C. Moore; side 2 "Sweet
Times" composed and arranged by T. Hensley, Lyrics by C.
Moore.
Heather, orange disc, side 1 "Sing My Song" composed and
arranged by T. Hensley, Lyrics by C. Moore; side 2 "Sweet
Times" composed and arranged by T. Hensley, Lyrics by C.
Moore.
Rosemary, purple disc, side 1 "Mixin Matchin Day"
composed and arranged by T. Hensley, Lyrics by C. Moore;
side 2 "Sweet Times" composed and arranged by T. Hensley,
Lyrics by C. Moore.
(They must have been really trying to push "Sweet Times!"
Here's where it gets interesting -- if I recall correctly
the set was initially three female dolls and they added
the other two. I could be wrong about that, they are all
dated 1970.
Iris, hot pink disc, side 1 "Your Music N' My Music",
side 2 "3 To Get Ready" (sic)
Doug, lime green disc, side 1 "I Just Want To Make You
Dance", side 2 "3 To Get Ready" (sic)
All credits on the last two disc read simply "Jeff
Barry/Bobby Bloom".
Hope that clears things up for anyone who was wondering.
Holly
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:38:57 EST
From: Michael Rashkow
Subject: Re: Something From Ages Back.
Going through and cleaning out some old saved messages,
I came across this one.
In a message dated 1/26/2002, Justin McDevitt wrote:
>
> Even Sammy, God rest his swingin soul, charted a few: In
> the Shelter Of Your Arms; (1963) I Gotta Be Me: (1969)
> and of course, Candy Man, (1972), his biggest hit ever, a
> fact that no doubt caused Sammy no end of heartache and
> angst; though not bad in the wallet department.
On the subject of Shelter et al--
It may interest someone that Shelter Of Your Arms was
written by the same person responsible for the
unforgettable " They're Coming To Take Me Away". Wish I
could remember his name--old timer's disease what can I
tell you. I'd forget my ass if it wasn't attached to my
spine.
Now--were there ever two songs more unlike each other
written by one person???
Seems impossible to me.
Rashkovsky
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:03:26 -0500
From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
Subject: Re: New Archies
----- Original Message from "Laura.E.Pinto"
> I wish they had done the "live Archies" thing when I was
> a kid enjoying the cartoon from 1968 through 1971. I
> would have LOVED to have seen Ron Dante performing live
> with Toni Wine and perhaps Jeff Barry and Andy Kim and
> others, singing all the Archies songs I was so fond of.
Well, here is something you folks may not know. The
Archies DID do one live gig!!!
When the concept was formed, and the first songs recorded,
Ron Dante and Toni Wine and two other (forgotten) singers
did a live promtional Gig as The Archies.
This info comes from Ron Dante as told to Goldmine
Magazine. Now if only that was videotaped!!
The Archies at Spectropop:
http://www.spectropop.com/go2/archies.html
Mikey
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:35:24 -0500
From: "Den Lindquist"
Subject: Re: Something From Ages Back.
That would be Jerry Samuels, staff writer for
Warner/Reprise during the 60s; also recorded under the
name of Dr. Douglas Drew. Had a single for Vik, the RCA
subsidary in the late 50s called "Puppy Love" (Vik - 0197).
Den
----- Original Message from: Michael Rashkow
> It may interest someone that Shelter Of Your Arms was
> written by the same person responsible for the
> unforgettable " They're Coming To Take Me Away". Wish I
> could remember his name...
> Now--were there ever two songs more unlike each other
> written by one person???
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:54:41 -0500
From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
Subject: Re: Something From Ages Back.
----- Original Message from: "Michael Rashkow"
> > Even Sammy, God rest his swingin soul, charted a few: In
> > the Shelter Of Your Arms; (1963)
And I might add to this, that one of The Letteremen's finest
performances is of "Shelter" on their "Special Request" LP.
Absolutely great version!!
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:27:27 +0000
From: Simon White
Subject: Re: Dora Hall
Ian Chapman wrote on 5/2/02 7:47 pm:
>
> Don't know "Pretty Boy" by Dora Hall, but I have one by
> her called "New Boy". That one's penned by the Addrisi
> Brothers, and out of interest, has her version of a Tony
> Hatch song, "Let Me Tell You Baby", on the flip.
Thanks Ian. Dora fascinating story has its own web site.
Can't find the address now of course!
"Pretty Boy' is a fantastic L.A. stomper but with no
writer/production credits. There seem to be lots of
singles and albums and I suspect there's lots of good
stuff to be heard!
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:03:19 +0100
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: The Buggs - Beetle Beat
Paul Urbahns wrote:
>
> Glenn wrote:
>
> the Buggs' album, it's one of the best of the ersatz
> American "Beetle" albums. Most likely the band is from
> the NYC area.
>
> I would have thought so to but the album clearly states
> Recorded In England and only in mono. If it had been an
> American recording it would have probly been produced in
> stereo since Coronet was also a stereo label. Mono was
> (at that time) still the basic system of recording in
> England for rock records, or so I am told.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Urbahns
>
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"Recorded In England" was the answer of some US labels to
the British Invasion from 1964 to 1966.
"English" group names : The Manchesters, the Liverpools,
The Mersey Men, the Merseylads, the Mersey Sounds, the
Sir Douglas Quintet... plus mentions of "The Manchester
Sound" "The real Liverpool Sound", "Recorded in England".
Don't always believe what you read on the record sleeves :0),
the Buggs were US, not british.
Stephane
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:39:10 -0600
From: "Robert Conway"
Subject: Re: Andrew Gold
Paul: I've always liked Andrew Gold. Are you aware that
he is/was part of the trio Bryndle? The group
consists/consisted of Andrew Gold, Kenny Edwards and Karla
Bonoff. The CD must be at least 4-5 years old so I doubt
that another effort will be forthcoming. A nice CD laden
with harmony and melody. -Bob Conway
>From: "Paul Payton"
>And let's not forget Andrew Gold's "'60's" album
>(credited to the Fraternal Order of the All), many of
>whose tracks sound as authentic as the real thing ("Love
>Tonight" and "Space and Time" are the best tracks the
>Beach Boys and Byrds never recorded but should have). I
>haven't checked his website www.andrewgold.com lately,
>but last time I did he was being urged to do a second FOA
>album and was seriously considering it.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:30:46 -0800
From: Alan Gordon
Subject: one more Thing You Do...
"Robert Conway" wrote:
> Paul--You can have a whole CD by the Wonders...kind of.
> Actually you can have two that I know of. Please read
> on: In the early stages of putting his movie together,
> Tom Hanks posted an ad in one of the music journals
> (maybe Billboard) looking for an original song that
> captured the sound and the magic of the early Beatles-era.
> Tom required a tune that was snappy, poppy, bright,
> catchy, etc. I'm sure he received many audition tapes
> but he said when he heard the song that that was
> written/submitted by Adam Schlesinger he knew it was the
> exact tune he was looking for. Short ending, here
> goes...Adam had a group at the time called The Fountains
> of Wayne. The group still may be together, I'm not sure.
> They had at least two CDs. Adam was not moved by the
> movie/song's success and vowed to never play the tune in
> public. Too bad, because his Fountains of Wayne play
> music that stylistically is really not that far removed
> from "That Thing You Do."
>
> -Bob Conway
>
Actually, as far as I know, only one song from that album
is by the guys in Fountain of Wayne, and it's the big hit
title... but most of the songs by The Wonders (and a few
others) in the movie are written by S. Rogness and R.
Elias from an unsigned band called the Tin Angels.
best western,
al babe
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:01:05 +0900
From: Spectropop Group
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