________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Factory sealed for your protection ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 386: 1. The ol' remainder bins From: Stewart Mason 2. 10 for a buck twenty-nine From: Thomas Taber 3. Re: Bobby Vee and Marvin Gaye....As Long As I Know He's Mine... From: "John Lester" 4. Jimmy Webb's Pocketful of Keys From: "Jeff Lemlich" 5. Re: Anglos 'Incense' From: Simon White 6. Party Party Party From: John Rausch 7. Re: L.A. Visit From: "Michael Coleman" 8. Of Cabbages & Kings From: "Javed Jafri" 9. Re: Party Party Party From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 10. The Anglos From: David Gordon 11. Diane Renay show From: Ronnie Allen 12. Re: John Simon From: Kevin Kern 13. Motown covers in reverse From: David Gordon 14. Montage From: Bob Rashkow 15. 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' From: James Botticelli 16. Re: The ol' remainder bins From: James Botticelli 17. Re: The ol' remainder bins From: Stewart Mason 18. 45 Grab Bags From: Doc Rock 19. Catching up: Ran-Dells, Hazan & Galaxies From: "Paul Payton" 20. Re: 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' From: "Robert Conway" 21. "Rain and Shine" by the Canterbury Music Festival LP (BTPS 1018) From: Michael 22. Re: Montage/Jefferson From: "Robert Conway" 23. Change of address....... From: Joe Foster 24. the Mondo Mikes Cruizin Classic DOO-show 1gen From: MONDO MIKE 25. Re: Keith Colley / Playboys of Edinburgh From: Jason Penick ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:57:32 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: The ol' remainder bins I was lucky: my dad was a manager for the TG&Y variety store chain (my fellow southwesterners might remember them) and so I usually had first crack at the remainder bins. I got all of Badfinger's albums that way, as well as some other Apple releases like the Billy Preston and James Taylor releases. There were also a lot of the Marble Arch reissues of early Kinks material there. And, unfortunately, I remember seeing the covers of the first two Big Star albums in those bins, but I didn't know who they were! (Which is odd, since the first LP I ever bought was the Box Tops' SUPER HITS on Bell.) My all-time greatest (and weirdest) bargain bin find is only Spectropop-related in that our own Joe Foster is tangentially related: the original issue of the Times' POP GOES ART! (on Whaam, with the minimalist cover with the little piece of paper glued on the back cover listing the song titles), which I found, of all places, at the Best Buy Electronics store here in Albuquerque in the spring of 1996, for the whopping price of 20 cents! Stewart --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Taber Subject: 10 for a buck twenty-nine One final remembrance: Did anyone else in the U.S. around 1967 find white cardboard boxes with 10 45s, the top visable one of which was "Rain"/"Paperback Writer" on the black British Parlophone label? There was a display of these at J.M. Fields in Rochester, each box proclaiming the Beatles 45 inside. Innocent that I was, I sold my 45 along with my white label Swan "She Loves You" (what do you mean they weren't all white labels? I bought mine no later than Saturday 1/11/64, with pic. sleeve, after being amazed that "S.L.Y." wasn't the flip of "I Want to Hold Your Hand") to a Beatles "dealer" (what's that?) around 1975. Tom Taber --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:38:07 -0000 From: "John Lester" Subject: Re: Bobby Vee and Marvin Gaye....As Long As I Know He's Mine... Jeff Lemlich wrote: > Bobby Vee seemed to have quite a number of songs in the > late 60s with the word "girl" in the title! .....Interestingly, Berry Gordy wanted Marvin Gaye to have songs with an emphasis on the word "you" and Phil Chapman wrote: > If I didn't love The Marvelettes so much, I would say > hers is the better version of "As Long As I Know He's > Mine", certainly more punchy. PHIL CHAPMAN......................Wash you mouth out with salt and water...how can you say that about our dearest Marvelettes - I just hope that Messrs Chapman and Patrick don't see that! Only joking.....LOL!! BTW, my little lovelies, Velvelettes recorded "As Long As I Know He's Mine" too..........IN FRENCH, I might add (Cal majored in French at school but now she finds it hard to even count up to 10!! HEE HEE).............and FYI, the session is actually pictured in the tray of their US "VERY BEST OF"..second row of photos down from the top. Try singing "le plus marvellieu garcon du monde" instead of "As long as I know he's mine" and you have got it!! John Lester --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:48:00 -0500 From: "Jeff Lemlich" Subject: Jimmy Webb's Pocketful of Keys Paul Richards wrote: > The Jimmy Webb Songbook on Sequel is also great with the > fabulous Jefferson version of 'Montage' although the Love > Generation's version comes pretty close. I also like > Buddy Greco's 'Pocketful of Keys' and his version of > 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' I haven't heard Buddy Greco's "Pocketful of Keys" but I've been playing Thelma Houston's great version A LOT! What a goosebumps kind of song! -- especially when her voice seems to lose control after singing the line about "the padlock on the his and hers garage"! Jeff Lemlich --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:46:56 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Anglos 'Incense' Thers another version of "Incense" by Owen Gray on Island WIP 6000. Its the b side of "Help Me." It has Jimmy Miller as producer too. There always was confusion and myth over who the Anglos were. I seem to remember at one time it was supposed to be George Clinton's Parliaments! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:08:27 -0500 From: John Rausch Subject: Party Party Party I just stumbled on this hidden gem buried away as an lp filler track on the Pixies Three lp. Never been a big fan of the Pixies Three sound although Cold Cold Winter is the exception, obviously. Anyone have any info on why Party Party Party was NOT released as a single? That song is great, I can`t believe it would be relegated to a lp filler track. Thanks John Rausch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:35:26 -0700 From: "Michael Coleman" Subject: Re: L.A. Visit ----- Original Message from: "Jake Tassell" > Can any kind soul here give me a couple of pointers for > 'places of interest for Spector/Beach Boys/W.O.S. fans'? > (oh and perhaps some good record shops, radio stations > etc) Jake, If in Hollywood, check out Aarons Records on Highland Ave. (Pinks hot dog stand is at the corner of Highland and Melrose-Phil Spector, Brian Wilson et.al. ate there while on recording breaks at Gold Star), also chk Amoeba Records on hollywood Blvd. More if I can think of any......coleman. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:51:23 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: Of Cabbages & Kings > P.S. If Katherine Harris were a song, it would be > "Maybelline"! You mean she can't be true and has started back doing the things she used to do ? We better send her some Chad and Jeremy Records. Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:02:09 -0500 From: "Mike Arcidiacono" Subject: Re: Party Party Party > From: John Rausch > > I just stumbled on this hidden gem buried away as an lp > filler track on the Pixies Three lp. Hey John...how about [ playing it at musica ] so we can all hear it? Your Friend, Mikey --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:05:16 -0000 From: David Gordon Subject: The Anglos The original issue of this single seems to have been on Orbit 201 in '65 "Incense" / "Stepping Stone". It was later picked up by Constellation and reissued as Constellation 153 credited to Joe Webster and the Anglos. I seem to remember that an ancient issue of Bomp said that Orbit was a New Jersey label - this might give some support to the possible George Clinton involvement as he was based in New Jersey at that. However I've never seen anything on George which mentions "Incense". There's a 1967 Scepter single (12204) "Small Town Boy" / "Since You've Been Gone" which they picked up from Shiptown, a small Newport, Virginia label. I've no isea if this is the same or a completely different group. One of these tracks was on the "Big City Soul 4" CD issued by Goldmine a few years ago - I can't get to my copy to check which one it was. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:18:41 EST From: Ronnie Allen Subject: Diane Renay show Thanks to all of you who have e-mailed me privately about last night's Diane Renay show. Yes it was obvious that I truly enjoyed doing the show with her and giving her the opportunity to share all those great stories. A couple of you e-mailed me to say you missed the show and asked if it would be re-aired. The answer, happily is YES. M-PAK will be rebroadcasting the show at least one time and possibly more. Date(s) and time(s) have yet to be determined. Of course I'll let everyone here know as soon as I find out. If you haven't written to me but did hear the show I would be most appreciative if you'd drop me a line and let me know that you were tuned in. I also welcome all comments and suggestions for future interview shows. Speaking of which ..... one has already been firmed up ..... I'll be doing an interview show with Dale & Grace ("I'm Leaving It Up To You" and "Stop And Think It Over") on M-PAK Radio on Thursday, February 28, at 10 PM till midnight. I'd like to close this message with a few comments about Diane Renay. Back in 1966 I was on the social staff of the Concord Hotel, working as a resident musician and entertainer. One of my functions was to sit at the piano on evenings and afternoons and invite people to request songs, which I would be all too happy to play. (Since I could play by ear I was able to play virtually any song whose tune I was familiar with). One afternoon a gentleman came up and said "could you play 'Navy Blue''? I thought it was an unusual request (since "Navy Blue" had charted a couple of years earlier) but I gladly obliged. After I played it the gentleman said "Thank you so much! You're probably wondering why I asked you to play that!" And I said "well I can't recall the last time someone requested it." And he said "Well the reason I requested it is because the person who recorded that song is Diane Renay. And I'm Diane Renay's father!" I must admit that for a few seconds I was a bit skeptical ..... but then he added "and by the way, Diane's sitting over there on that couch!". I looked in that direction and there she was! Bye bye skepticism, hello enjoyment!!! I introduced myself and Diane and I talked briefly for about five minutes. I recall that part of our discussion related to how Bob Crewe achieved his unique sound on records he produced. Then Diane and I did our "nice meeting yous" and we parted. And I had a memory that I've always cherished. Fast-forward 35 years. We all somehow got past the dreaded Y2K bug and now the year is 2001. Diane Renay puts up her own website. I e-mailed her and mentioned our brief meeting at the Concord. She e-mailed back and told me that she didn't recall it but her father did! She explained that "my father remembers EVERYTHING!". Apart from being incredibly talented (if you think she's only "Navy Blue" and "Kiss Me Sailor" then you simply don't know Diane!) she is a most wonderful individual; one of the warmest people in show business that I've ever had the pleasure to interface with. I purchased her double-CD "Diane Renay Sings Some Things Old And Some Things New" last November as soon as I knew it was available. a few months ago. I have played it over and over. It is one of my all-time favorite CDs. My comments on last night's show were totally sincere. It truly amazes me that incredible recordings like "This Is Where I Came In" and "The Gift Of Love," not to mention "City Girl" (all written by the immensely-talented Phil Hurtt and Ann Clark) did not even see the light of day in terms of being released until Diane chose to include them on her double-CD. At the present time it is only available on her website, which is www.dianerenay.com. You can presently sample SOME of the tracks on her CD. Diane told me that in the near future she will allow everyone to sample ALL the tracks. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:09:45 -0500 From: Kevin Kern Subject: Re: John Simon "Paul Payton" asked: > Re: the Rock Machine, "My Name is Jack - John Simon" is > wonderful! Does anyone remember a song he did called "The > Wabe" (as in, "Twas brilling and the slithy toves gyred > and gimbled in the wabe")? What album was that on? Is it > available? Weren't both those tracks from a movie? I > forget the name.... Hi Paul, The movie was "You Are What You Eat", and both tracks are on the soundtrack. (Together with two other John Simon tracks: Painting for Freakout, and Freakout (with the Electric Flag.)) I enjoy your posts. Cheers, Kevin At the Shore --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:16:51 -0000 From: David Gordon Subject: Motown covers in reverse Much as I love Motown I just can't handle them covering outside songs - most of the results have varied between weak and downright awful with a few notable exceptions. The Four Tops albums are littered with covers - "Michelle", "Last Train To Clarksville", "I'm A Believer", "Sunny", "If I Were A Carpenter" ( which Tim Hardin loathed ), "Walk Away Renee", "Light My Fire" and on, and on, and on .. I really like "Walk Away Renee" but "LIght My Fire" is ruined for me by the "sizzle, baby, sizzle" ad libs. And what about Jimmy Ruffin's version of "96 Tears" - I'll stick with ? and the Mysterians thanks. "Stormy" by the Supremes is well worth hearing though. Davie Gordon --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:25:42 +0900 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Montage Posted to the Spectropop Bulletin Board by Bob Rashkow on Thu, 14 Feb 2002 -------------------------------------------------------- Paul Richards, on the recent forum thread, mentioned a version of Montage on a Jimmy Webb Songbook CD by "Jefferson". Two questions--1) is this the Jefferson that scored a hit on Janus with BABY TAKE ME IN YOUR ARMS in Feb. '70? 2) Is the PICARDY version (the one that REALLY grabbed me on "super CFL" here in Chgo. in '68) available on CD? (Have looked for it on vinyl) Already have the LOVE GENERATION's album with this as the kickoff tune. Webb was no Mike Brown or Curt Boettcher in my opibion but in "Montage" he wrote one of the loveliest pop songs of the late 60s!! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:37:52 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' In a message dated 2/13/2002, Spectropop writes: > I also like > Buddy Greco's ..... version of >'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' That's the song the Three Degrees were singing in "The French Connection" in the supperclub Popeye Doyle pops into during the film....did not know that was Webb --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:44:13 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: The ol' remainder bins In a message dated 2/14/02, Stewart writes: > the first >two Big Star albums In 2002 they seem to have become The Greatest Band You Never Heard...Can someone please enlighten the list--or at least me--as to exactly who Big Star was and why they've become so important to so many musicologists?...TIA, JB --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:52:34 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: The ol' remainder bins At 05:44 PM 2/14/02 EST, DJJimmyBee wrote: > > In 2002 [Big Star] seem to have become The Greatest > Band You Never Heard...Can someone please enlighten > the list--or at least me--as to exactly who Big Star > was and why they've become so important to so many > musicologists?...TIA, JB Big Star was Alex Chilton (ex-Box Tops singer), Chris Bell, Jody Stephens and Andy Hummell, a Memphis group of the early '70s who were unashamed fans of British Invasion-style pop. Their first two albums, #1 RECORD and RADIO CITY, are considered power pop classics, because they mix '60s-style hooks with this unusual sort of strained, nervous sound (Bell, who left after the first album, and Chilton were not the most stable characters) that became terribly influential. Their third album (recorded in '75, finally released as THIRD in '78 and now available under its working title, SISTER LOVERS, on a fairly complete Ryko CD) is a wildly praised -- some say overpraised, and they may have a point -- album that's one of those records where you can tell that the band is disintegrating as you listen to it. S --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:26:19 -0500 From: Doc Rock Subject: 45 Grab Bags I remember in 1963 when I bought a grab-bag bundle of 45s. I bought it because it had Jan & Dean's "Linda" on top. Inside was "Young Girl" by Charmain and "Needles and Pins/Did He call Today, Mama," by Jackie DeShannon. I fell in love and swore I'd meet Jackie someday. It took nearly 30 years, but I got my 2-hour interview! Doc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:07:00 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Catching up: Ran-Dells, Hazan & Galaxies Wow, what a site! Too bad it couldn't really continue. Not as cool or deep as Spectropop, although I recognize certain names from this list - and the Ran-Dells story is priceless, definitely required reading. So what does Steve Rappoport do today, besides keeping the site on the net but dormant? Re: Al Hazan site at http://www.bellsisters.com/more-about-hazan.html - this is superb stuff, too. ( And I must make a correction: in an earlier post I miscredited the song "Big Triangle" to a different group; it's actually the Galaxies, written by and featuring Al Hazan. Apologies all around. It's also listenable on this site - and still sounds great.) More as I clear the backlog - the Keith Colley additions look fascinating. (And yes, I too like Colley's version better than the Magic Lanterns, but on my DJ copy of the record it was marked as the flip side. Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 20 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:29:30 -0600 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: 'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' I'll jump quickly in and out of this one...excuse me if someone already mentioned that Thelma Houston had a great LP of all Webb compositions in the late sixties called "Sunshower." I believe it was released after the Fifth Dimension's "Magic Garden" LP of all JW compositions. Anyhow, Houston's LP was a left-field shocker at the time in that she was a relative unknown who was seemingly brash enough to tackle an LP of the then immensely popular Webb. The cover was outrageously colorful with Houston as a bright sunflower as I recall. Her version of "Everybody Gets to Go to the Moon" was/is fantastic. Unavailable here in the States, the LP is now available on CD thanks to the (who else?) Japanese. -Bob Conway > > I also like > > Buddy Greco's ..... version of > >'Everybody gets to go to the moon.' > >That's the song the Three Degrees were singing in "The >French Connection" in the supperclub Popeye Doyle pops >into during the film....did not know that was Webb --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 21 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:09:48 -0000 From: Michael Subject: "Rain and Shine" by the Canterbury Music Festival LP (BTPS 1018) Hi folks - Please pardon the intrusion, but if anyone on the list has this 1969 LP, would you please e-mail me off list? we now return you to... thanks, Michael --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 22 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:13:52 -0600 From: "Robert Conway" Subject: Re: Montage/Jefferson "Jefferson," who had a nice run with the Rockin' Berries as lead vocalist Geoff Turton, is the same Jefferson that you are thinking about who had a mild hit (yes it was played a lot in Chicago) with "Baby Take Me in Your Arms." The style/production/presentation seemed all wrong at the time for the artist who wanted to build a solid solo career (LP artist) and not just dabble with singles. The label certainly was not a powerhouse although I bought the LP and found a number of very good tunes including one of the best versions of "Shenandoah" I had ever heard. His Janus CD also included "Montage..." and "Colour of Love." Anyhow, to answer your question, his best Rockin' Berries' material and his best material from his career as Jefferson is combined on the Collectables' label CD, "The Rockin' Berries featuring Jefferson." This LP is the real deal with everything you will ever need by the group and the solo artist. However, if you want only Jefferson... and much more of him I recommend his relatively new CD (available as a UK import) called "Colour of My Love." Hope that helps. -Bob Conway > >Posted to the Spectropop Bulletin Board by Bob Rashkow > on Thu, 14 Feb 2002 > >-------------------------------------------------------- >Paul Richards, on the recent forum thread, mentioned a >version of Montage on a Jimmy Webb Songbook CD by >"Jefferson". Two questions--1) is this the Jefferson that >scored a hit on Janus with BABY TAKE ME IN YOUR ARMS in >Feb. '70? 2) Is the PICARDY version (the one that REALLY >grabbed me on "super CFL" here in Chgo. in '68) available >on CD? (Have looked for it on vinyl) Already have the LOVE >GENERATION's album with this as the kickoff tune. Webb was >no Mike Brown or Curt Boettcher in my opibion but in >"Montage" he wrote one of the loveliest pop songs of the >late 60s!! > --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 23 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:20:41 +0000 From: Joe Foster Subject: Change of address....... Dear friends and colleagues.... I now have a new email address, which is my poptones email is still operational, but is being reserved solely for outstanding poptones matters.....therefore any mail, business or personal, should go to the new one. thank you all Joe Foster --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 24 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:29:59 EST From: MONDO MIKE Subject: the Mondo Mikes Cruizin Classic DOO-show 1gen MY name is Mondo Mike. I've been doing a DOO-WOP show for many years called the Mondo Mikes Cruizin Classic DOO-show 1gen. Broadcast every Sunday from 10:00am am till 3:00 pm est over AM radio 1320 (serving listeners in Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Connecticut). The program can also be heard on the world wide web HTTP://WWW.WARL.TV. The program features interviews with groups e.g., Videls, CORALS, etc., Record shops and labels that still distribute vinyloldies, group harmony, a capella ,R+B and the best DOO-WOP music this side of heaven. I still have all the old jingles that I've kept since years ago - my own productionss - and I still use them on my show. So, group members, if you want the true Videls or whatever in groups, history here's where to go and talk about the old days. I do this show out of the love, for fun and the love of those great old days. FIGHTING TO KEEP DOO-WOP ALIVE; MONDO MIKE. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 25 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:13:59 EST From: Jason Penick Subject: Re: Keith Colley / Playboys of Edinburgh "Jeffrey Glenn" wrote: > > Oh, and Curt Boettcher (and probably the other Millennium > guys too - this was during the time that Usher was using > them in the studio on his productions so they could make > some money while recording the Millennium LP - Joey Stec > are you on this?) is singing background on this single > (he's very clearly audible on "Enamorado"). I'm posting the version of Enamorado that I've got to the SP Sounds page. Could somebody let me know if this is the original or the '68 Usher re-make? I'm dying to find out... >Bobby's single was excellent, but it was a nearly >note-for-note duplication of the original by Texas band >PLAYBOYS OF EDINBURGH (Columbia). Bobby seemed to do >well covering U.S. garage bands-- "Come Back When You >Grow Up" (Shadden & The King Lears) and "Let's Call It A >Day Girl" (the Razor's Edge), among them. Bobby seemed >to have quite a number of songs in the late 60s with the >word "girl" in the title! > >Jeff Lemlich Jeff, is there any way you could put POE's version of "Look at Me Girl" at musica? I've been collecting Columbia 45's for awhile and I've never been able to obtain that one. Thanks! Jason --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End