________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Total Sound Stereo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 389: 1. Re: Superior covers From: Billy G. Spradlin 2. Re: Grapevine From: Billy G. Spradlin 3. Isley's instrumental backing track From: "David Feldman" 4. Re: Bubblegum From: "Don Charles" 5. Re: Spector ........ Jack From: "Peter Lerner" 6. Nino Tempo & April Stevens From: Dan Hughes 7. Is that "Runaway" traveling faster than she should? From: Thomas Taber 8. Jody Miller From: "Jeff Lemlich" 9. Re: More on that dreaded bullet-riddled La-La From: "Don Charles" 10. Re: Jeff and Ellie, Country Style! From: "Don Charles" 11. La La Di Da From: LePageWeb 12. bits & pieces From: "Paul Payton" 13. April, Ellie and Gayle From: "Don Charles" 14. Re: Ray Stevens From: Dan Hughes 15. Re: Ray Stevens / Novelty From: "robert campbell" 16. Re: The Four Seasons' Name, the books are wrong. From: "robert campbell" 17. Re: Bubblegum From: "robert campbell" 18. Re: Superior covers From: "Cheryl Jennings" 19. Re: Superior covers From: "Javed Jafri" 20. Re: Spector ........ Jack From: "Javed Jafri" 21. Re: Bubblegum From: "Javed Jafri" 22. Re: April, Ellie and Gayle From: "Norman" 23. George Freeman From: Simon White 24. Ray Stevens: "Misty", boppin' down the sidewalk From: "Lindsay Martin" 25. 101 Strings From: Michael Rashkow ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:49:14 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Superior covers The story goes that Gene played "You Showed Me" to the Turtles on a old pump organ in the recording studio where he was forced to play the song very slowly. The Turtles based their version around his impromptu arrangement. Great Song! I like the mono single mix where the guitar lick in the chorus really jumps out - its mixed back on the stereo mix. Billy > Then there are the hit cover versions of songs that were > never hits in the first place. My favorite in this > category is "You Showed Me." The original by the Byrds > (okay, "the Beefeaters") was a sloppy, Beatle-esque > diamond-in-the-rough. It wasn't even considered good > enough to be included on the first Byrds album. The > Turtles transformed this Gene Clark/Roger (Jim) McGuinn > tune into something sublime. > > Jim Cassidy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:42:33 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Grapevine > Anyone close enough to Ronald Isley to ask him? If > there is someone, can they also ask him why he doesn't > seem to want to talk about his Motown recordings.... >From what (little) I have read about the Isleys, they were treated as second-class outsiders (not being from Detroit) and didn't like the label's "production line" treatment. The group signed to Motown to keep thier career going, but they didnt always get the best songs and production teams. Billy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:56:07 -0500 From: "David Feldman" Subject: Isley's instrumental backing track John Lester writes: > No......it was originally assigned to the Isley > Brothers.......no vocals exist now though it is not clear > whether Ronald cut it.......next was Smokey and his vocal > appeared on the wonderful Motown Treasures > CD..........then Marvin Gaye and then Gladys et al. > Smokey later changed some lines on his first vocal and > THAT version went on his Special Occasion album.. > You imply that the instrumental track for the Isley's version still exists. Does it resemble the slower groove of Marvin Gaye's version or the GK&P's? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:42:14 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: Bubblegum Bob Conway writes: >Today many people have shed their guilt of enjoying the >pleasure derived from listening to the Lemon Pipers, Salt >Water Taffy, Vanity Fair, etc. Recently Buddah Records >(BMG) has released the best of Ohio Express, Lemon Pipers, >and 1910 Fruitgum Company. Varese Sarabande also has >issued a number of "Bubblegum Classics" with 20 or more >tracks that do indeed include the classics but also stir >the debate as to what truly deserves to be labeled >Bubblegum. It certainly IS debatable. Just as debatable is the question of who the market for that kind of music really was. In my opinion, most of the releases from the Kasenetz-Katz stable were marketed at adults, given the preponderance of sexual doubles entendres in songs like "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy," "Chewy Chewy," "Mercy" and "Come On Down, Mary Ann." Jeff Barry will tell you that his Archies' records were meant for preteens, but a quick inspection of his lyrics reveals that he was really writing to the same teenage market he'd been addressing since the early '60s. The adolescent girls who bought "Sugar, Sugar" and "Jingle Jangle" in 1969 were no doubt the younger sisters of girls who had purchased "Iko Iko" and "Leader Of The Pack" in 1965. The market was still there in the late '60s, but increasingly pretentious mainstream rock acts were ignoring it. Suddenly, it became terribly uncool to appeal primarily to teenage girls (which necessarily raises a question about sexist tendencies in music marketing). "Bubblegum," for lack of a better term, filled the void, but it quickly acquired dirty word status in the rock media. The strong bias against "bubblegum" acts persists today. Why else do you think Britney Spears is trying so desperately to convince people that she's "not that innocent?" Despite her obvious appeal to teenagers, she doesn't want to acknowledge that demographic too openly. I expect to Britney to announce a forthcoming Playboy centerfold any day now . . . Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:06:27 -0000 From: "Peter Lerner" Subject: Re: Spector ........ Jack Thanks to all who responded with memories of Jack Spector - sounds like a true good guy. Den asked > > I didn't realize Jack Spector did any music programming > for Radio Caroline. If anyone has more info on this, I'd > like to hear more about it. I'd love to know what songs > he included on this programming. > Well, the ones I remember include items like Run Mascara by the Exciters; Down in the Boondocks by Billy Joe Royal; Evening time by Elena; and something called That Boy of Mine by Lori Burton, which I can't remember (have I imagined it?); and Hang on Sloopy by the McCoys, and something by The Sheep - just great US sounds, the counterbalance to all those British beat groups....... Peter --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:06:27 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Nino Tempo & April Stevens My contribution to the Nino & April discussion: two flip sides. I've Been Carrying A Torch For You So Long That I Burned A Great Big Hole In My Heart is the flip of their biggest hit, Deep Purple. And One Forty-Five (or 1-45) is the back of Stardust. This song was bizarre in that it made use of several different meanings of the title: The time was 1:45 when a desperate man with one .45 (as in gun) shot another man in a robbery and escaped with $1.45. "One-forty five, one-forty five, all he had was a dollar forty-five." Anybody remember either of those? ---Dan P.S. Nice Nino and April web site at (where else?) http://www.ninoandapril.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Taber Subject: Is that "Runaway" traveling faster than she should? Many of us love Del Shannon - does anyone know for sure (or conjecture) whether "Runaway" was speeded up before its release? I've read that Fats Domino and maybe Dion recordings were treated thus. And, Del fans, doesn't "Sister Isabelle" belong on any list of records that shouldabeen hits? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:08:01 -0500 From: "Jeff Lemlich" Subject: Jody Miller "Robert Beason" wrote: > Anyone interested in hearing Spectropop songs done up > country style should check out Jody Miller's Anthology > CD, which includes C&W versions of "Be My Baby," "He's > So Fine," "To Know Him Is To Love Him" and "Will You > Love Me Tomorrow". All these tracks were recorded in > the early 70s. Jody worked with some Spectropop favorites in the 60s, including some sides produced by David Gates. My favorite is probably "I Knew You Well" (written and produced by Gates) which features some beautiful harpsicord work. The flip (I'm Into Lookin' For Someone To Love Me) is a Wine-Bayer song. It was released on Capitol 2066. Jody is alive and well, and happy to hear that she's still appreciated by some of her old fans. Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:02:03 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: More on that dreaded bullet-riddled La-La Please!!! No suggestions about shooting the La La! Our Miss Brooks is a national treasure . . . long may she live. Don Charles >From: Thomas Taber: > > It went: > Who shot the La-La? - I don't know; > Who shot the La-La? - I don't know; > Who shot the La-La? - I don't know > he must be a (two syllable word) soul. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:05:21 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: Re: Jeff and Ellie, Country Style! >Anyone interested in hearing Spectropop songs done up >country style should check out Jody Miller's Anthology >CD, which includes C&W versions of "Be My Baby," "He's >So Fine," "To Know Him Is To Love Him" and "Will You >Love Me Tomorrow". All these tracks were recorded in >the early 70s. Also included, of course, is the >brilliant "Home Of The Brave", which pretty well sums up >the entire previous decade in 2 minutes 50 seconds. > Sounds like a winner! Ms. Miller was one of the first celebrities to add her signature to my "Let's Send Jeff Barry and Ellie Greenwich to Cleveland" petition. Very nice person. Incidentally, she also cut an excellent country version of "Lay A Little Lovin' On Me," originally cut by Robin McNamara for Jeff's Steed label. To my ears, it has the edge. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:33:27 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: La La Di Da Oliver Morgan had a record out in 1964 called "Who Shot The Lala." It was coupled with "Hold Your Dog." GNP Crescendo #318. (1964) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:38:41 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: bits & pieces Andrew Simons: Guess I missed "Cholly Oop." (This could go on like the "Annie" series from Hank Ballard and ff.!) Tom Taber: can't help with the discography. Maybe I'll transfer your "Who Shot The La-La" post to the Outsider list; if someone there knows, I'll post the results here. Rashkovsky writes: > Ray Stevens ... a big talent. Writes, arranges, sings, > plays and comes with unique perspective.... currently > with Osama Your Mama. Agree on the talent part, even if I don't always agree with his political perspective. And what IS Osama Your Mama?!?? I'm afraid to guess.... Re: "You Showed Me" - wasn't the Byrds' version more of a demo? Does that count in the "covers" department, since it never came out at the time, or as The Turtles taking a potentially good song and making it great? BTW, I've heard "the original" (on the new Sundazed box set) and it is indeed lacking something, but is fascinating to hear in the context of what became of it. Re: "Bubblegum is the naked truth"? Nope. Nothing has a monopoly on truth, or good music, etc. But there's great stuff and crap in every genre, so point me to the former, warn me of the latter (or let's laugh at it together), and let the discussion rage on. I'm here for the duration. Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:58:54 +0000 From: "Don Charles" Subject: April, Ellie and Gayle I just acquired a copy of April Stevens' 1974 single "Wake Up And Love Me" on A & M. Every time I listen to it, I have to clean my eyeglasses because she's doing some big-time heavy breathing into the microphone! This was one of only two solo chart records she ever had in the United States (the other being "Teach Me Tiger"). Jeff Barry and Nino Tempo writing and production credits, natch. I also recently acquired a copy of Ellie Greenwich's rare second single for Bell, "(It's Like A)Sad Old Kinda Movie." A member of the list supplied me with a promo copy (you know who you are, and I'm eternally grateful). The topside is a pleasant Tony Macaulay tune, not too memorable, really, but the flipside!!! Honey, hush! "That Certain Someone" is one of the best songs Miss Ellie ever wrote with Mike Rashkow. The lyrics sound autobiographical, and her little girl vocal tears at your heart. It would've been an ideal choice to include in her musical, "Leader Of The Pack." It's a much stronger tune than "Rock of Rages," and it gets that standing-at-the-crossroads message across a lot more subtly. Thanks to another Spectropop subscriber (again, you know who you are!) for sending me taped copies of Gayle Haness's fantastic singles on Bang. Every one is a Jeff Barry composition and production, and every one kicks ASS! Songs like "I've Never Gotten Over You, Baby," "Johnny Ander" and "When Your Baby Says Good-Bye" make you imagine what Mary Weiss and The Shangri-Las would've sounded like had they continued to work with Jeff. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:24:30 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Ray Stevens Rashkovsky sez, > I'm a Ray Stevens booster.... Back in the 70's I was program director at WKRP radio (the real one, which was in Dallas, Georgia, about 30 miles east of Atlanta). Our secretary's husband was Ray's cousin. He told me that Ray often attended the annual Ragsdale summer reunion, but generally sat off by himself and seldom spoke to anyone. Weird. ---Dan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:41:32 -0800 From: "robert campbell" Subject: Re: Ray Stevens / Novelty I just got my Perry VII decca record player out of the closet and played "America Communicate With Me" by Ray Stevens. It sent shivers through me, I have not played that in close to 20 years. Ray Stevens knew what he was doing. Good hook with the public and a great performer. One of my favories I played is "Down and Out" by George Freeman (Valiant #6039) arranged by Perry Botkin Jr. Very spectorish, with castanets, thunderous drumroll and strings. The flip side called "The Quiver" sound like a Philles B Side throwaway, with Hal Blaine style drumrolls. I also just played "When I Get Scared" by the Lovelites on Phi-Dan. Great stuff huh? Thanks for letting me be part of your group. You are all super. Robertgippy ----- Original Message from: "Michael Rashkow" > I'm a Ray Stevens booster. Think he is a biog talent. > Writes, arranges, sings, plays and comes with unique > perspective. Sometimes a little over the top but > Guitarzan is masterful, Mr. Business Man a major league > piece, Unwind a killer record and he is still out there 30 > or more years later--currently with Osama Your Mama. Guy wrote > > For all you novelty record nuts who came out of the > woodwork after my "Juanita Banana" enquiry check out this > site which I came across whilst doing a bit of Peels > research for myself. www.execpc.com/~brikrn/ It's a great > list of someone's novelty collection with a superb page of > Beatle cash-ins. Anyone in the mood for Clap Pat? Regards Robertgippy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:49:02 -0800 From: "robert campbell" Subject: Re: The Four Seasons' Name, the books are wrong. > Doc wrote: > > > From my recent Bob Crewe interview: > > "Where the name the Four Seasons came from? At that time, > > I was dealing with a little store on the corner of 3rd > > Avenue and 53rd Street that was called the Four Seasons > > Antiques. That's where I first picked up on the name. But what inquiring minds want to know is it true that Franki Valli recorded the song "Ronnie" because of Ronnie Bennett? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:15:54 -0800 From: "robert campbell" Subject: Re: Bubblegum My opinion of chewy chewy and yummy yummy being appealing was that at that time, we were all going though such a dramatic change in the music culture. Once was serious hard hitting rock (like quicksilver messenger service , Cream, Vanilla Fudge) that everyone bonged, and windowpaned through, (I was one of them!) was beginning to become less attentive and was to emerge into a more so called "happier and elightened stuff". Chewy Chewy and Yummy Yummy was very sexually oriented as was the era when it was released, however it was sung like June Cleaver . I think that it is why we liked it. The vietnam thing was rough for a lot of us people and listening to bubble gum just made life seem to be just a tad easier to deal with. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:19:01 -0600 From: "Cheryl Jennings" Subject: Re: Superior covers Gene Clark when playing that song over the years did play it much slower than the Byrds recorded it and very much like the Turtles recording. I would suspect he wrote it with McGuinn in that way as he usually had his songs speeded up when the Byrds arranged them. Cheryl ~*~ > The story goes that Gene played "You Showed Me" to the > Turtles on a old pump organ in the recording studio where > he was forced to play the song very slowly. The Turtles > based their version around his impromptu arrangement. > Great Song! I like the mono single mix where the guitar > lick in the chorus really jumps out - its mixed back on > the stereo mix. > > Billy > > > Then there are the hit cover versions of songs that were > > never hits in the first place. My favorite in this > > category is "You Showed Me." The original by the Byrds > > (okay, "the Beefeaters") was a sloppy, Beatle-esque > > diamond-in-the-rough. It wasn't even considered good > > enough to be included on the first Byrds album. The > > Turtles transformed this Gene Clark/Roger (Jim) McGuinn > > tune into something sublime. > > > > Jim Cassidy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:49:48 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: Re: Superior covers Billy G. Spradlin wrote : > The story goes that Gene played "You Showed Me" to the > Turtles on a old pump organ in the recording studio where > he was forced to play the song very slowly. The Turtles > based their version around his impromptu arrangement. > Great Song! I like the mono single mix where the guitar > lick in the chorus really jumps out - its mixed back on > the stereo mix. I wonder when Gene Clark played them his version. If it was during his first go round with the Byrds then the Turtles must have kept the arangement in their heads for a while or delayed releasing the song. The Turtles version peaked on the charts in early 1969 which I think was at least two or three years before the first release of the Byrds Preflyte recordings. On another Byrds related note. This morning on our local classic rock station they read a few lines from "So You Want to a Rock'n Roll Star" and asked callers to ID the song and guess what I got through and identified the song and won some sort of dinner and ski package. The caller before me was somewhat clue-less and said that it sounds like a Stones lyric. Nice to hear Q-107 ( Toronto) play the tune. Not your average classic rock fare. Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 20 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:40:42 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: Re: Spector ........ Jack > Den asked > > I didn't realize Jack Spector did any music programming > > for Radio Caroline. If anyone has more info on this, I'd > > like to hear more about it. I'd love to know what songs > > he included on this programming. > > > Well, the ones I remember include items like Run Mascara > by the Exciters; Down in the Boondocks by Billy Joe > Royal; Evening time by Elena; and something called That > Boy of Mine by Lori Burton, which I can't remember (have > I imagined it?); and Hang on Sloopy by the McCoys, and > something by The Sheep - just great US sounds, the > counterbalance to all those British beat groups....... That would probably be "Hide and Seek" by the Sheep. The Austrailian sheep farmers concocted by the team of Feldman, Goldstien and Gottehrer on the Boom label. Great record ! Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 21 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:04:03 -0500 From: "Javed Jafri" Subject: Re: Bubblegum >From: "robert campbell" > My opinion of chewy chewy and yummy yummy being appealing > was that at that time, we were all going though such a > dramatic change in the music culture. Once was serious > hard hitting rock (like quicksilver messenger service , > Cream, Vanilla Fudge) that everyone bonged, and > windowpaned through, (I was one of them!) was beginning > to become less attentive and was to emerge into a more > so called "happier and elightened stuff". Chewy Chewy > and Yummy Yummy was very sexually oriented as was the era > when it was released, however it was sung like June > Cleaver Well can you believe that as a 15 year when I became hip and started listening to FM underground radio and albums like "On The Threshold of A Dream" in the dark, I actually scratched my copy of "I'm A Believer/Steppin Stone" as a symbol of my disdain for bubblegum. That was in 1969. Luckily I saw the light again. By the way one of the best bubblegum influenced songs ever was "The Way I Feel Tonight" by Flash Cadillac and The Continental Kids released in 1973. It was the b-side of their version of "Dancin' On A Saturday Night" and in my opinion the superior side. Javed --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 22 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:56:15 +1030 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: April, Ellie and Gayle Interesting that Ellie Greenwich would have recorded Tony Macaulay's "(It's Like A) Sad Old Kinda Movie". If it is the same song it flopped for Pickettywitch. Anyway, as much as I rate Macaulay as great, why would Ellie Greenwich sing one of his songs. Maybe I hold her in too much esteem but I would imagine she could teach him how to write a song or two. Sir Norman ----- Original Message from: "Don Charles" > I also recently acquired a copy of Ellie Greenwich's rare > second single for Bell, "(It's Like A)Sad Old Kinda Movie." > A member of the list supplied me with a promo copy (you > know who you are, and I'm eternally grateful). The > topside is a pleasant Tony Macaulay tune, not too > memorable, really, but the flipside!!! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 23 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:06:43 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: George Freeman robert campbell wrote on 18/2/02 7:41 pm: > > One of my favories I played is "Down and Out" by George > Freeman (Valiant #6039) arranged by Perry Botkin Jr. > Very spectorish, with castanets, thunderous drumroll and > strings. The flip side called "The Quiver" sound like a > Philles B Side throwaway, with Hal Blaine style drumrolls. For the record [ ho ho ] I just sold my copy of this for £200 pounds . Considering I bought it for 25p I thought I got a good deal. It s nice but not £200 worth of nice. I suggest anyone with a spare gets in quick ! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 24 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:43:05 +1000 From: "Lindsay Martin" Subject: Ray Stevens: "Misty", boppin' down the sidewalk Michael "Rashkovsky" Rashkow wrote > I'm a Ray Stevens booster. Think he is a big talent. And, since we were discussing remakes, Stevens's "Misty" is indeed the work of a big talent, one of those cases where the rearrangement turns the original inside-out and comes up with something startling and fresh and wonderful (I'm on fairly safe ground in assuming the arrangement was by Stevens himself, am I not?). As for his crazy stuff, this image from "Harry the Hairy Ape" still makes me smile: "...the near-sighted local DJ Just boppin' down the sidewalk on his way to work with a box of records on his arm that he was gonna play." Lindsay --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 25 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:04:30 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: 101 Strings In a message dated 2/15/2002, James Botticelli writes: > A year later to be covered by Les Baxter on his I had the opportunity to be assistant engineer on several 101 Strings sessions at Bell Sound. I think the guy's name was Dave Miller that did them. Here's what they were really. 4 violins, 02 viola and a cello overdubbed until Dave thought he had enough. He always used to say, "101 strings?...at these prices they're lucky they get a hole in the middle!" ....and laugh and laugh. RASHKOVKSY --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]--------------------