________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Special Disc Jockey Record ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 25 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 427: 1. Re: Mark Wirtz/Tomorrow From: Bob Rashkow 2. Are you a boy or are you a girl? From: "James F. Cassidy" 3. Re: Rainy Day Bells From: Mark Frumento 4. Re: Let's Dance From: Will George 5. Re: The Ashes From: "Peter Lerner" 6. Re: Mark Wirtz/Tomorrow From: Michael Sinclair 7. Re: "toy-town" From: Mark Frumento 8. Emerald City Bandits, shooting again! From: "Martin Roberts" 9. Re: Girly-Groups on Top From: "Jan Kristensen" 10. Randy Newman: 2002 Oscar winner From: Michael Edwards 11. Hedy Sontag - He Never Came Back From: Michael Edwards 12. Re: Tomorrow/Marvin, Welch and Farrar From: Mark Frumento 13. Jerry Ross/Shocking Blue/Abba From: Frank Youngwerth 14. Re: Pop Icons From: "Jan Kristensen" 15. RE: Let's Dance! From: Mike Demers 16. Re: Let's Dance! From: Gene Sculatti 17. Regional Radio Hits From: "Jeff Lemlich" 18. The One & Only Jack Scott ! From: Tony Baylis 19. Re: Tomorrow/Marvin, Welch and Farrar + ABBA From: Mark Wirtz 20. Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover From: Mark Wirtz 21. Re: Emerald City Bandits, shooting again! From: Billy G. Spradlin 22. Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover/Abba From: Mark Frumento 23. Re: "Ice Cream Man" /Huey Lewis From: Mark Wirtz 24. Randy Newman Gems From: James Botticelli 25. More Gems From: James Botticelli ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 20:19:19 -0000 From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz/Tomorrow --- In spectropop, Will George wrote: > > Is [Tomorrow the same band that Olivia Newton-John was > a member member of? I believe N-J's group spelled it "Toomorrow" and was a different group produced here in the States by Don Kirshner, they're on my want list but I've never heard their 1 or 2 singles--The Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:55:11 -0500 From: "James F. Cassidy" Subject: Are you a boy or are you a girl? About the German "Girly Groups on Top" collection, Brian Davy wrote: <snip> ... the real outsider on the album has to be "Get a Job" by the Silhouettes! <snip> That "-ettes" on the end must have thrown them off... Jim Cassidy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:07:46 -0500 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Rainy Day Bells > Agreed..."Rainy Day Bells" is one of the greatest > doo-wops ever. I take it that this RDB, the bubblegum song.... is the same song as done by the great Norman Fox. If so... I wonder how Medowlark's voice compairs to Norman's. Can anyone report? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:38:25 EST From: Will George Subject: Re: Let's Dance The songs that always insist I dance are What I Like About You by the Romantics, and Love Shack by The B-52s. And some classic disco songs are always a good bet. Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:16:15 -0000 From: "Peter Lerner" Subject: Re: The Ashes Phil kindly asked me: > > >I only know of one DeCaro / DeShannon song but what a song > >- Is there anything I can do, recorded by The Ashes. > > Peter, is there anything else you know about this record? > It's a great little tune, and I can't believe it's the > only version. The 45 credits Larry Levine with the > engineering, and it has *that* sound. The flip, "Every > Little Prayer", is interesting too, a male lead, and a > drum intro with more or less the same sound and content > as the Ronettes "Oh I Love You". I just played both sides > at musica for inspection. Phil, this is such a great 45, part of the innocent first days of "folk-rock" before things got so heavy and so clever. A lovely understated song with one of those taking-you-completely-by-surprise sudden changes to a minor key, that Jackie DeShannon had developed with Jimmy Page. Yes, the b-side "Every little prayer" (written by Ed Fournier - a familiar name that I can't quite place) is out of the same mould. The 45 (Vault 924) was produced by Richard Delvy (who can tell us anything about him?) and engineered by Larry Levine. I also own a mono / stereo promo copy of Vault 973, also by the Ashes, a cover of Paul Simon's Homeward Bound. A "Wenesday's Child Production", it's nothing special. Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sinclair Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz/Tomorrow --- Will George wrote: > Is [Tomorrow] the same band that Olivia Newton-John was a > member of? > Bill, The answer to your question is "no," but you are asking a most appropriate question. You must be the only person I have ever come acrosss this side of the 60's that actually knows, or remembers, the "Tomorrow" group that featured Olivia Newton John managed and produced by one of the "Shadows" (who was also in a relationship with Olivia - if I am not mistaken, they were even married for a brief time). A kudo for you! The "Tomorrow" group I was involved with, however was from a totally different musical ilk - psychedelic Rock. Anyway, thanks for the mail and question. Best, Mark (Wirtz) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:34:58 -0500 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: "toy-town" > Please elaborate on this "toy-town" sub genre. I'm not sure that the name was meant the be complimentary at all. But it seems have been coined to describe some of the British pop that was being released from about 1967-1968. Compilers like Phil Smee and others discovered (or rediscovered) a whole vein catchy pop songs and I guess someone put a name to it... as usually happens.... The best way to describe it is the following: bouncy beat, extremely catchy melody (certainly strong hooks required in the chorus), storybook lyrics (or an everyday kind of lyric i.e. Penny Lane), and a many times a piano based production (decending bass lines are a plus) though a piano is not required. In it's strictest form I suppose the storybook lyrics are what makes these songs toy-town. Children singining in the chorus (i.e. "Excerpt From A Teenage Opera") adds to the toy-town flavor but is not required. Toy-town has a close link to bubblegum but usually the melodies and production are more complicated. and I don't think that most toy-town songs were targeting kids as the audience. Of course Alice in Wonderland featured very strongly in British pop during the late 60s... probably contributing to the abundance of similar themes. I will play a song to musica called "Toyland" by The Alan Bown... probably the purest example of British toy-town. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:43:44 -0000 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: Emerald City Bandits, shooting again! Many moons ago Country Paul related information on his chat with Don Drowty:- > Don also did a 1962 single on Philips with Dean Torrance > as the "Emerald City Ramblers" called "Full Blown Caddy." I found this snippet of info one of the reasons I so love Spectropop, maybe I've missed it but I'd never heard of Dean singing on this record. I did wonder how it sounded. The answer is pretty damned good! Actual credits are The Emerald City Bandits "Full Blown Caddy" wr. Don Drowty/"Come On Oz" Philips 40197 '64-a typical (not many things in life more fun than a 'typical' Beach Boys, Gary Usher, Jan & Dean styled) Hot Rod rocker, revving engines, screeching tyres, crunching guitars, honking sax, "aaah's" and "wind em up, wind em" up vocal refrains. Good? Well it's made me want to jump into my souped up Morris Minor van and go for a burn-up!! Can't brag I've got the 45, it's on one of the better 'unofficial' releases (you know the sort, good quality recordings, sleeve notes and credits. Put together by folk who don't just seem to be after a quick buck.) "Wail On The Beach..16 Hot Rod & Surf Sizzlers" Satan LP 1004. I also have the later CD release, which featured another LP's tracks. Can I Find it? Nope! Can I hear Dean singing on it? Nope, but then I can't hear Dean singing on Jan & Dean's records either! I'll leave that to the 'voice experts' to decide. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:25:11 +0100 From: "Jan Kristensen" Subject: Re: Girly-Groups on Top I got "Just tell him Jane said hello" on an Italian CD called Rockin' Boppin' Girls vol 2 on Titanic TR CD 6000. Jan K ----- Original Message from: "Brian Davy" > ...does anyone know where I can get a CD version of > Gerri Granger's recording of "Just Tell Him Jane Said > Hello"? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:03:38 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Randy Newman: 2002 Oscar winner "Songwriter Randy Newman received a standing ovation when he broke his Susan Lucci-like losing streak, winning his first Academy Award for Best Original Song for "If I Didn't Have You" from Monsters, Inc. after 16 nominations." Going back to 1962, Randy penned a real nice ballad recorded by the Fleetwoods, "They Tell Me Its Summer". It appeared as the flipside of their top 40 hit, "Lovers By Night, Strangers By Day". It's up on musica for a few days so please give it a listen. It would make a great addition to any summer tape/CD compilations that you may be putting together. It's on the Very Best Of The Fleetwoods CD (EMI, 1993). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:53:12 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: Hedy Sontag - He Never Came Back I first heard this song on an 80s girl group compilation album called simply "Gems". That album was a bare bones affair with no information other than the song titles and the artists. The cover featured a girl in a "mod" leather jacket. Finally locating a copy of the 45, which I [played] at musica, I note some awesome credentials. The writers are Bob Crewe, Eddie Rambeau and Bud Rehak. Bob Crewe did the production and Charlie Calello the arrangement. It doesn't come much bluer chip than that. It was released on US Philips in early '64, but has not yet made it to CD. I was disappointed it wasn't included in the Growin' Up Too Fast double CD, when Dusty and the Secrets (both US Philips acts) were. You get to hear it in all its scratchy vinyl glory. Check out the honking sax. But who was Hedy Sontag? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:20:30 -0500 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Tomorrow/Marvin, Welch and Farrar > The answer to your question is "no," but you are asking a > most appropriate question. You must be the only person I > have ever come acrosss this side of the 60's that actually > knows, or remembers, the "Tomorrow" group that featured > Olivia Newton John managed and produced by one of the > "Shadows" (who was also in a relationship with Olivia - if > I am not mistaken, they were even married for a brief time). If this is Bruce Welch you are talking about (I believe it is) they were engaged. She broke it off, so the story goes. Welch was also one third of the excellent, post- Shadows, harmony pop group called Marvin, Welch and Farrar. The three of them released some excellent songs and should have been hit makers in their own right. Of course Marvin being Hank Marvin. Mark Frumento -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:48:04 EST From: Frank Youngwerth Subject: Jerry Ross/Shocking Blue/Abba I bought the Jerry Ross Synposium Sequel CD on a whim a couple years ago, and enjoy just about every track. I didn't know Ross was behind the Dutch pop-rock chart explosion of the early 70s, but it's interesting to consider how important Shocking Blue may have been to Kurt Cobain's early musical development. Early on Nirvana covered SB's otherwise obscure "Love Buzz" from an LP Kurt apparently owned and admired. Something set the guy apart >from his grunge/punk contemporaries--he sure didn't get his world-class hook sensibility from hanging out with the Melvins! I haven't seen any of the campy movies or the Broadway show that have helped revive the popularity of Abba's music, but I did go see the group's own The Movie when it played at midnight here in Chicago, and I came back from it convinced that, while probably not nearly as important in a cultural/historical dimension, Abba didn't fall much short of the Beatles (or anybody else), qualitatively or quantitatively, at delivering wonderfully written, produced and sung 3-minute songs, the primary medium for Spectropop. Frank Youngwerth -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:15:02 +0100 From: "Jan Kristensen" Subject: Re: Pop Icons Back in 1958 a young 16 years old Norwegian heard My True Love for the first time and became a fan. For the next 3-4 years Jack Scott couldn't do anything wrong. He was featured in my first try as a Rock journalist in a local rag in 59 and I still have his records including an obscure CD with 2 duets with Linda Scott. But I thought he was born in 1938? Jan K. ----- Original Message from: "Stone Jones" > > On January 26th, my pal Giovanni turned 66. It was > quite a party. Naturally it was a concert with a few > hundred of his closest friends. Fittingly, it was at a > club called TBonz located a mile or so from the big > barn near Detroit where he used to play regularly back > in 1955 and helped to define what became known as Rock > & Roll. > > Is he in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? No. Should > he be? Of course I think so. Unfortunately there > doesn't seem to be a clear and established criteria > for > Inductees. > > I have a suggestion. How about this. > > If you are a Rock and Roll Singer who first charted in > The 50s and have been able to support yourself and > your family singing Rock and Roll for at least > 40 years.....you are automatically inducted. > > Check out > http://www.rockabillyhall.com/JackScott.html -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 15 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:23:01 -0800 From: Mike Demers Subject: RE: Let's Dance! At the risk of sounding too pscyhobabblesque, I think that folks listen to music that reflects their emotional needs (duh) - ABBA came out at a particular time and filled a need for lightness in music just as AQUA has recently (although AQUA has been much more of a parody band). Mike Demers www.victoriahauntedhouse.com -----Original Message from: Norman > ...ABBA should not be discounted as an influence. In as > much as The Beatles had more dynamics attached to their > persona, progressing at a time of substantial social > change, ABBA have to be content with writing good pop > songs without the social influence. > > In as far as their music goes they were to the Seventies > what The Beatles were to the Sixties. One measure being > how soon mainstream artists and other groups covered > their songs. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 16 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:46:54 -0800 From: Gene Sculatti Subject: Re: Let's Dance! And don't forget Bobby Fuller 4's LET HER DANCE and, on a 50s doowop tip, Norman Fox & the Rob Roys' LET HER DANCE. Gene Sculatti Bob Rashkow wrote: a very partial list of suggestions: > Keep On Dancing Gentrys 1966 MGM > Little Bit O' Soul Music Explosion 1967 Laurie > Hold On, I'm Comin' Sam & Dave 1967 Stax > (anything by Jay & The Techniques! anything by the > Animals! anything by the Grassroots!) > Everybody Tommy Roe 1963 ABC Paramount > Little Miss Sad Five Empressions 1965 Freeport > Shake Shadows of Knight 1968 Team > Dance To The Music Sly/Family Stone 1968 Epic > Reach Out Of The Darkness Friend/Lover 1968 Verve Forecast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 17 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:10:40 -0500 From: "Jeff Lemlich" Subject: Regional Radio Hits Great timing here! I've just been putting together lists of WQAM and WFUN local 60s hits that failed to reach the Billboard Hot 100. The first two installments are on my new Florida music forum: http://pub64.ezboard.com/blimestonelounge Go to the 60s Disc Jockeys & Radio Stations section If that link doesn't work, you can go in through the front door: http://www.limestonerecords.com then click on the MUSIC FORUM link. Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 18 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:20:54 -0000 From: Tony Baylis Subject: The One & Only Jack Scott ! Warren Cosford says .. > Is he in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? No. Should he > be? Of course I think so. Unfortunately there doesn't > seem to be a clear and established criteria for > Inductees. Undoubtedly the omission of Jack from the Hall of Fame is unexplainable and an omission that should be rectified if the Hall of Fame is to be an honest listing of the Greats of Rock & Roll. When an artist who first recorded in 1957, (ABC Paramount) is still recording in the 90's (Curb Records), then without doubt justice demands that he be recognised for the years (decades) of pleasure he has provided fans of solid, basic, Rock and Roll, and even Country. While his chart years were (ouch) approximately 40 years ago, he sounds better today than when in his heyday .. take a listen to his version of Running Scared on Curb .. dare I say it? .. yep, it is superior to Roy Orbison's hit. Jack is not forgotten by rock and roll fans, only by the Hall of Fame... For a listing of Jack's 45 rpm singles see the url below ... http://www.widomaker.com/~sabre/Scott1.htm Tony Baylis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:15:02 EST From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: Tomorrow/Marvin, Welch and Farrar + ABBA In a message dated 3/29/02, Mark Frumento writes: > If this is Bruce Welch you are talking about (I > believe it is) they were engaged. She broke it off, so > the story goes. Welch was also one third of the > excellent, post- Shadows, harmony pop group called > Marvin, Welch and Farrar. The three of them released > some excellent songs and should have been hit makers > in their own right. Of course Marvin being Hank Marvin. Yes, it is indeed Bruce Welch to whom I referred. By the way, wasn't Don Kirschner the "impresario" behind this particular "Tomorrow" group? Believe it, or not, I never heard any of their recordings, and I'm curious - were they any good? While Marvin, Welch and Farrar were indeed a darn good harmony group, Bruce Welch ultimately made his non-Shadows mark as the producer of some really cool Cliff Richard recordings (one of which ALMOST broke Cliff in the US - can't remember the title though). RE ABBA - I am absolutely puzzled by this whole back and forth dialogue about ABBA... were they vapid and meaningless, or profound? To begin with, were THEIR early simplistic, catchy tunes and recordings really THAT less "substantial" than the Beatles' early hits? I mean, "She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah," or "Waterloo," - come on, get real - it's just POP MUSIC. POP standing for popular. And on that note, considering ABBA's global POPularity, and in the spirit of "you can't argue with success," arguing the profundity of their music is about as futile as arguing the profundity of chocolate, or Walt Disney. Sure, some hate both, some get nauseated by their mere mention, BUT - they have both made far too many people happy to argue their validity. All that notwithstanding, can any true, discerning pop music aficionado possibly not be captivated by ABBA's later albums like, "Super Trouper" and "The Visitors"? The material is most creative, the vocal renditions superb, the musicianship outstanding, the arrangements inventive and embracing, the production and engineering nothing less than awesome. Regardless in which medium, do you know what makes a "Star," more than talent, skill, or uniqueness (talent, per se, is NOT what makes success, it merely sustains it after the fact)? One word - CHARM. Don't believe me? Check it out. Every "Star" in history radiated/radiates that very seductive element. And, God knows, ABBA as performers, as well as their music (not unlike the Beatles), blazed with charm. Best, Mark (Wirtz) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 20 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:27:38 EST From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover In a message dated 3/28/02, John Cook writes: > There's a track called 'Ice Cream Man' by the band > Clover. Not sure of the issue year, but I believe it's > 1968. There are 2 versions, one of which, as has been > noted before, sounds a lot like a 'Teenage Opera' style > production- kids chorus, etc. Did you have any > connection with this or is it a coincidence/possible > homage to your efforts? Thank you for your question, John. In answer to it, no, I had no connection with "Ice Cream Man," or Clover, and to be quite honest, I had never heard of either. Best, Mark (Wirtz) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 21 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:03:06 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Emerald City Bandits, shooting again! > Can I hear Dean singing on it? Nope, but then I can't hear > Dean singing on Jan & Dean's records either! I'll leave > that to the 'voice experts' to decide. Dean Torrance DID sing on (almost?) all of J&D recordings, usually falsetto. That's him doing the lead on "Linda" and the Two Girls For Every Boy line on "Surf City". I saw them in concert 4 years ago and he can still hit 'em. About the only J&D song I can think of that had neither J or D singing on (besides those cool instrumentals and a couple of Jan solos) was the LP track "Move Out Little Mustang" which is Sloan- Barri and was released as a 45 on Imperial as "The Rally Packs". How It wound up on a J&D album the same way is a mystery. Billy PS: Can someone make an audio file of the Emerald City Bandits track? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 22 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:30:31 -0500 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: "Ice Cream Man" / Clover/Abba > Thank you for your question, John. In answer to it, no, I > had no connection with "Ice Cream Man," or Clover, and to > be quite honest, I had never heard of either. This song was obviously influenced by Excerpt From a Teenage Opera. The band was the same Clover that had Huey Lewis (of the News) in it. They went on to back up Elvis Costello on his first album and early recordings. Ice Cream Man is quite fun but a little twisted too. It's supposed to be about a man selling ice cream but it is clearly not a ice cream he is selling. The children's chorus is the main connection to EFATO. > RE ABBA - I am absolutely puzzled by this whole back and > forth dialogue about ABBA... were they vapid and > meaningless, or profound? To begin with, were THEIR early > simplistic, catchy tunes and recordings really THAT less > "substantial" than the Beatles' early hits? Agree with Mark's whole thought (only part of which I've quoted here). Abba were a great group. Not sure if it matters what your sensibilities are. You have to forget the image they became. If they only ever put out the song SOS they'd have done their share for pop music. As it is they release plenty of substantial and extremely tuneful songs. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 23 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:57:46 EST From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: "Ice Cream Man" /Huey Lewis In a message dated 3/29/02 9:15:43 PM, Mark writes: > This song was obviously influenced by Excerpt From a > Teenage Opera. The band was the same Clover that had > Huey Lewis (of the News) in it. They went on to back up > Elvis Costello on his first album and early recordings. WOW! I REALLY like and respect Huey Lewis!! This I GOTTA hear!! M:) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 24 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:41:45 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Randy Newman Gems In a message dated 3/29/02, Michael Edwards writes: > Randy penned a real nice ballad >recorded by the Fleetwoods, "They Tell Me Its Summer". I have the 45 conincidentally, but that's not the point. I wish to uncover Randy's gems...My gem came from 1964 and was called "I Dont Want To Hear It Anymore" about a guy who continually overhears through thin walls a neighbor couple arguing. Jerry Butler blew my mind with his interp. Any others? Jimmy Botticelli Taking the EZ..Way Out! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- Message: 25 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:37:36 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: More Gems In a message dated 3/29/02, Michael Edwards writes: >I first heard this song on an 80s girl group compilation >album called simply "Gems". That album was a bare bones >affair with no information other than the song titles and >the artists. The cover featured a girl in a "mod" leather >jacket. There was a second volume of Gems as well. fidelity poor, esprit etait perfectimundo Jimmy Botticelli Taking the EZ..Way Out! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]------------------- End