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Volume #0092 May 27, 1998
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Free on request at your dealer's
Subject: Late 50's, Early 60's New Orleans R&B
Sent: 05/26/98 10:33 am
Received: 05/27/98 12:36 am
From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net
Claudia SED:
>One other thing: One genre of R&B seldom talked about is the
>early Sixties sounds of the New Orleans, Louisiana singers such
>as Fats Domino/Ernie Kaydo and Clarence Frogman Henry. R&B
>doesn't get much better than this and the tunes sound as good
>today as they did when first came out. Any comments, anyone?
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Oh man, they were the best. In addition to the guys you
mentioned, there was Frankie Ford ("Sea Cruise") who plays a
wicked boogie-woogie piano...and the best of 'em all, Huey
"Piano" Smith and The Clowns.
I am the proud owner of two (well-worn) vinyl copies of Huey's
album "Havin' A Good Time" and even though I've had 'em for
about 35-40 years I still listen at least once a week. Some of
the cuts include the title track, "Rockin' Pneumonia & The
Boogie Woogie Flu", "Don't You Just Know It", "Well, I'll Be
John Brown", "Little Liza Jane", "Don't You Know Yakomo", and
some other fantastic R&B numbers.
Ace Records.
Scuse me...I gotta go downstairs and crank up my turntable.
DICKYG
Subject: MP3/Jackie Trent
Sent: 05/26/98 7:53 pm
Received: 05/27/98 12:36 am
From: Kieron Tyler, kierXXX@XXXXXXorg.uk
Billy G. Spradlin wrote 'I just discovered a couple of MP3's by
the "Rag Dolls"'.
Could someone please let me know what an 'MP3' is...
I'm at work now, but I'll look into Jackie Trent's 60s releases
at home later. I do have one Tony Hatch LP from 1967 ('Brasilia
Mission'), but its pretty bad Jobim/Latin styled versions of
things like 'Light My Fire'.
Subject: Pixies 3; Roy Orbison
Sent: 05/26/98 5:51 pm
Received: 05/27/98 12:36 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
I'm confused about Pixies 3 on cd: What's this about a three-cd
set of all their stuff? Where can one get it?
Does anyone have any opinions on the Roy Orbison live cd that
apparently is available only through Best Buy? How are the
performances and how is the sound quality?
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Re: Rag Dolls
Sent: 05/26/98 11:16 am
Received: 05/27/98 12:36 am
From: Wondermints, monsaXXX@XXXXXXink.net
>Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
>Is there an import CD anywhere with "Dusty" or "Society Girl"
>on it? The reason im asking is that the Mp3s were recorded from
>worn 45's, and Id like to find better (and legit) copies of them.
One of my personal faves. . .been lobbying for a Bob Crewe
Girls series for a long time now and the Rag Dolls (along with
Tracy Dey) are the cream of the crop. If you like"Dusty" and "
Society Girl", then "Put A Ring On My Finger", "Baby's Gone",
or "Little Girl Tears" will make you a true, or should I say
Crewe believer.
Darian
Subject: thepixies3
Sent: 05/26/98 6:29 am
Received: 05/26/98 7:55 am
From: GBMGIDEON, GBMGIDXXX@XXXXXXm
Doc Rock writes:
<<
Their "new" CD is about 3 years old. It features new recordings
as well as old favorites. It can be purchased at their web site.
http://members.aol.com/thepixies3/index.htm
Kaye answers all mail. Tell her Doc Rock sent you! >>
Dear Doc,
You are amazing. Thanks for the information. I have ordered the
cd already.
John King
Subject: Re: Uncredited Spector
Sent: 05/26/98 9:28 am
Received: 05/26/98 7:55 am
From: Brad Elliott, surfXXX@XXXXXXline.net
Page (le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com) wrote:
> I don't profess to know much about it, but going by the various
> resources, there are three commercial releases on Liberty by
> Spector, and Timi Yuro is not among them.
>From Mark Ribowsky's book (He's A Rebel, E.P. Dutton, 1989):
"Not only did [Liberty president] Al Bennett okay the contract
[with Spector], he also capitulated to a clause drawn up by
Spector and Sill that gave Phil the leeway to go on producing
his three personally owned acts -- the Crystals, Creations and
Ducanes -- on his own time, as well as liberal travel
privileges. For Bennett, this was a very risky clause; at worst,
Phil might hoard the best songs he could find for his own
label, and at best his attention and purpose might be divided.
As Bennett needed signs that Spector would peform well for
Liberty, [Snuff] Garrett assigned Phil the unfinished mix of a
song Clyde Otis had cut with Timi Yuro, 'What's the Matter Baby.'
'He went into Mira Sound and redubbed it down,' Garrett said,
'and he did a heluva job on it.'"
> Although I hadn't
> heard the Presley story before, I have seen it written that
> Spector at one time or another claimed he produced some of the
> Leiber/Stoller records he was involved with.
>From Richard Williams' book (The Sound of Phil Spector, Abacus, 1974):
"Talking to this writer around that time [1972-73], Spector
intimated that he'd produced many more records than people
believed - and the most startling item of information was the
suggestion that he'd been responsible for the late Richie
Valens' 'Donna,' a top five hit on Del-Fi 4110 in late '58...
But then Phil also claimed, in the same discussion, to have
composed the music for several Elvis Presley movies -- and
later insisted that he'd written some of the singer's biggest
hits, without getting composer credits."
But, of course, there's no evidence to substantiate any of
those claims. And I think most R&R historians have written them
off as the ravings of a madman.
> I personally think he did both Home of the Brave and Close
> Your Eyes by Bonnie, along with the only Spector/Wilson
> song ever Things Are Changing.
I thought it was fairly well accepted that "Things Are Changing"
featured a Spector-produced track. From Fitzpatrick &
Fogerty's book (Collecting Phil Spector, Spectacle Press, 1991):
"The backing track, originally intended for a proposed Ronettes
version of the Beach Boys' 'Don't Hurt My Little Sister,' was
produced by Spector with Brain Wilson on piano. When that
project was not completed, Spector kept the tapes and later
used them as a contribution to the EEOC campaign to increase
employment of minority youth. The song 'Things Are Changing'
was recorded over Spector's track by the Blossoms, Supremes and
Jay and the Americans. (A rumored fourth version, supposedly
sung in Spanish by Julio Angel and Lucecita, remains unverified.)
Jerry Riopelle recorded the Blossoms' over Spector's track
in the only release of the song by Spector's organization."
Fitzpatrick and Fogerty elsewhere describe Riopelle as
Spector's "young protege," crediting him as having "expertly
recreated Spector's sound on this ['Home of the Brave'] and
several subsequent productions." Has this man ever been
interviewed? Is he even still alive? I bet he'd have a lot of
great stories to share! (Hey, Doc, there's one for you.)
Surf's up!
Brad
Subject: the hand of Phil
Sent: 05/26/98 8:41 am
Received: 05/27/98 12:36 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
>I have seen it written that
>Spector at one time or another claimed he produced some of the
>Leiber/Stoller records he was involved with. I personally think
>he did both Home of the Brave and Close Your Eyes by Bonnie,
>along with the only Spector/Wilson song ever Things Are
>Changing. I guess he (and Nitzsche) had a strong hand in a few
>big Stones singles off Out of our Heads: Satisfaction, Last
>Time and Play With Fire. The percussion is a big hint at that.
>The sloppiness of the other tracks on the album is another.
>Theory, I keep waiting for someone to either support it or
>knock it down.
I really shouldn't get involved with this because I have no
facts, only more theory, to throw on this fire, but what the
heck.
Re the Leiber/Stoller records he was involved with: the Spector
bio "He's A Rebel" (sorry that I don't remember the author)
would seem to have put the lie to the notion that Phil produced
those cuts, reporting that Phil was basically sitting in the
booth watching Mike and Jerry working. And I tend to believe
this version, because the author takes every opportunity that
he can to sing the praises of Phil the musical Svengali.
Re the Bonnie records: I know I'm not telling you anything,
Jamie, when I report [for the Spectropop record, really] that
the label on Bonnie's "Close Your Eyes" says "arranged &
produced by Jerry Riopell." And btw, it says it was written by
Riopell and Zekley (yet another Zekley credit). Certainly the
record has a pure mono wall of sound in the classic Spector
style, but it's no different from dozens of other tracks that
can be found on the "Touch The Wall Of Sound" two volume set of
[supposedly] faux-Spector productions. So while it certainly is
possible that Riopell's production credit is a red herring, I
don't see much evidence to say that it is. As for Home of the
Brave, I only know the Peanut version off Here Come The Girls
Vol.8, so I can't really comment on that one. Back to Close
Your Eyes for a moment: I was going to say that the musical
pause in the middle of the song was unlike Spector in his
full-blown wall of sound period, but then I remembered the
false ending in The Best Part of Breaking Up, so there you go.
And yet it's somehow different.....
Re the three Rolling Stones songs you listed: I know those
songs, but not in the context of their original album, so I
couldn't say if they stuck out from the rest of the songs on
the lp. Satisfaction seems less likely to me to have much
Spector input than the other two; now that you mention Last
Time, it makes so much sense that Phil must have twiddled some
knobs on that one. I have a recollection that in the Spector
bio the author said that Phil played some percussion on some
Stones sessions, but that was the extent of it. However, my
recollection is pretty dim on that point, so don't hold me to
it.
Say, I just finished reading Ronnie Spector's autobiography.
Enjoyable and easy enough to get through, but it was like
reading a bio of Larry Fine, Stooge In The Middle: there's no
denying they were part of something historic, but focusing on
them doesn't really shed any light on how it all came to pass.
I'll tell you, though, I wouldn't mind hearing Ronnie's
recording of Say Goodbye To Hollywood with the E Street Band.
Anybody got a copy of that? What's that sound like?
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: May 27
Sent: 05/27/98 12:31 am
Received: 05/27/98 12:36 am
From: le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
Happy birthday to Priscilla White (55), p/k/a Cilla Black.
1957: Buddy Holly & the Crickets' "That'll be the Day" was
issued in U.S.
1965: Jackie Trent had the #1 in UK with "Where Are You Now,
My Love?"
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