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Volume #0093 May 29, 1998
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Flavour that lasts and lasts through a stack of pops!
Subject: Honey Cookies?
Sent: 05/29/98 7:30 am
Received: 05/29/98 2:13 pm
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Sitting here listening to the Honey's He's A Doll on the Sea of
Tunes' Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters Vol.5, and suddenly I
notice that the structure of the vocal arrangement is more than
a little like a typical Cookies number: the girls en masse sing
the main phrase, and then Earl-Jean (or Ginger) kicks in with
the bass response. The more I listen to it, the more I hear
Cookies. Of course, Earl-Jean never sang "gaw-juhs" the way
Ginger does, nor did the Cookies ever describe a boy as being "
boss" (gad, how my buddies and I over-used that adjective to
death when we were kids in the sixties. boss, bossman,
bossereeno). Other than that....
Coincidence, convergent evolution, or something more
intentional?
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Jackie Trent
Sent: 05/28/98 7:03 pm
Received: 05/29/98 1:24 am
From: Kieron Tyler, kierXXX@XXXXXXorg.uk
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
A belated response on Jackie Trent...
Here are some bare facts: 3 UK top 40 singles ('Where are you
now my love' and 'When the summertime is over' both 1965; 'I'll
be there' 1969). 3 LPs 1965-7. She auditioned for Tony Hatch in
1964 when he was a producer at Pye Records, and they started
co-writing pretty immediately ('Where are you..' being their
1st hit). She had been performing since 1953 (age 13!) and was
professional from 1957. She had made records for Oriole before
being on Pye. JT and TH started to perform together after being
married in 1967 the year 'The Two of us' was a big hit in
Australia. From about 1970 she seems to have been mainly
concerned with stage show music and some TV music (they wrote
the theme to the terrible Australian soap Neighbours). Both JT
and TH were resident in Australia for most of each year from
about 1970.
I might be wrong, but it seems to me that the more 'swinging'
type songs she wrote were more a reflection of the times,
rather than a commitment to a particular type of pop music...
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Subject: UK label RPM
Sent: 05/29/98 1:22 am
Received: 05/29/98 8:24 am
From: Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Seeing mention of Jackie Trent's compilation disc on RPM has
reminded me that I believe there's also an RPM compilation disc
for Julie Grant. Her recording "Lonely Without You" on the HCTG
V.4 disc is the greatest song Petula Clark never recorded:
total melancholia, total cool, lead piano that sounds like the
"desperation version" of "Downtown," and the greatest
deep-hurting quatrain outside of Brian Wilson and Bacharach/
David's collected oeuvre:
"Come back to me again, I implore you
Come let this lonely heart of mine adore you
There was no-one in the world before you
and there won't ever be
anyone else for me"
Orchestra crescendoes on the first two lines, suddenly drops
out to nothing on the third line, and then on the words "and
there won't e-vuh be" she sings crisp triplets.
Produced by Tony Hatch, it goes without saying. And it's a
Hatch-Trent song, too.
So is the rest of Julie Grant's disc as killer as this?
And how can people in the USA get RPM discs?
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Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
Princeton, NJ 08540 Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
"It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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Subject: Re: uncredited Spector
Sent: 05/27/98 8:52 am
Received: 05/27/98 11:38 pm
From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXXXXrax.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com commented:
>Although I hadn't
>heard the Presley story before, I have seen it written that
>Spector at one time or another claimed he produced some of the
>Leiber/Stoller records he was involved with. I personally think
>he did both Home of the Brave and Close Your Eyes by Bonnie,
>along with the only Spector/Wilson song ever Things Are
>Changing. I guess he (and Nitzsche) had a strong hand in a few
>big Stones singles off Out of our Heads: Satisfaction, Last
>Time and Play With Fire. The percussion is a big hint at that.
>The sloppiness of the other tracks on the album is another.
>Theory, I keep waiting for someone to either support it or
>knock it down.
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The only Leiber-Stoller song I know of that Spector was
definitely involved with was Ben E. King's late-1960 #10 hit
"Spanish Harlem." Leiber & Stoller claim they produced 95% of
the session, but that Spector performed rhythm guitar -- but
they acknowledge that his sound was part of the song being a
hit. Spector claims he produced "most" of the session, but he
gives different accounts in different interviews. I think it's
fair to say his influence was there, but maybe not to the
extent Spector remembers.
As to The Stones, it's true that all three of these songs were
recorded at RCA Studios in Hollywood in late-1964/early-1965,
so it's possible for Spector to have been present there.
According to legend, Spector played Maracas on "Not Fade Away"
& "Little by Little (both recorded in London), and also
participated with their album track "Now I've Got a Witness
(Like Uncle Phil and Uncle Gene)," where the title refers to
Spector and Gene Pitney.
But as far as the three songs you mention, as far as I know,
Spector did play guitar and Nitzsche played organ on "Play with
Fire." But that's the extent of his involvement.
--MFW
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Subject: Various
Sent: 05/29/98 9:13 pm
Received: 05/29/98 10:13 pm
From: le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Re: 50's 60's New Orleans R&B
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Claudia SED:
>>One genre of R&B seldom talked about is...New Orleans...
Richard "Ace up his sleeve" Globman REPLIED:
>Oh man, they were the best...and the best of 'em all, Huey
>"Piano" Smith and The Clowns.
Right on, Dicky! I adore "Don't You Just Know It." Records just
don't get any better than this.
>there was Frankie Ford ("Sea Cruise") who plays a wicked
>boogie-woogie piano...
Hold on, dear brother...Am I mistaken or is not Sea Cruise a
discarded Huey Smith and The Clowns track that Johnny Vincent
used to overdub Frankie's new vocal over Huey Smith's original?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Re: Uncredited Spector
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Jeez, I post a lazy, totally unresearched off-the-top-of-my-head
recollection and Brad Elliott comes up with virtually every
quote I didnt't research. Whaddya gonna do? Thank you, Brad!!!!!!
>From Mark Ribowsky's book (He's A Rebel, E.P. Dutton, 1989):
>As Bennett needed signs that Spector would peform well for
>Liberty, [Snuff] Garrett assigned Phil the unfinished mix of a
>song Clyde Otis had cut with Timi Yuro, 'What's the Matter Baby.'
>'He went into Mira Sound and redubbed it down,' Garrett said,
>'and he did a heluva job on it.'"
OK, I didn't recall that, but can anyone speculate on what
exactly Phil could have done to make Garrett say he did a
helluva job? As far as I know, dubbing down a two or three
track tape is not a very complicated process. Sounds like a
pretty routine gig to me! Are we hearing Spector fingerprints
on this record? I think not.
>From Richard Williams' book (The Sound of Phil Spector, Abacus, 1974):
>
>"Spector intimated that he'd produced many more records than people
>believed - and the most startling item of information was the
>suggestion that he'd been responsible for the late Richie
>Valens' 'Donna,' a top five hit on Del-Fi 4110 in late '58...
>But then Phil also claimed, in the same discussion, to have
>composed the music for several Elvis Presley movies -- and
>later insisted that he'd written some of the singer's biggest
>hits, without getting composer credits."
>
>But, of course, there's no evidence to substantiate any of
>those claims. And I think most R&R historians have written them
>off as the ravings of a madman.
LOL! I guess so!
>>I personally think he did both Home of the Brave and Close
>>Your Eyes by Bonnie (and) Things Are Changing.
>
>I thought it was fairly well accepted that "Things Are Changing"
>featured a Spector-produced track. From Fitzpatrick &
>Fogerty's book (Collecting Phil Spector, Spectacle Press, 1991):
>
>"The backing track, originally intended for a proposed Ronettes
>version of the Beach Boys' 'Don't Hurt My Little Sister,' was
>produced by Spector with Brian Wilson on piano."
Fine. So the Riopell credit IS bogus, as I had thought. Thanks
for that, Brad.
>Fitzpatrick and Fogerty elsewhere describe Riopelle as
>Spector's "young protege," crediting him as having "expertly
>recreated Spector's sound on this ['Home of the Brave'] and
>several subsequent productions."
Again, my call is that (to paraphrase F&F) Riopell was credited
as having successfully recreated Spector's sound on ['Home of
the Brave'] and several subsequent productions because Spector
didn't want his own name on productions unless he was confident
they would be hits.
>Has this man ever been interviewed?
Yes, but not to any great extent that I have ever seen.
>Is he even still alive? I bet he'd have a lot of
>great stories to share! (Hey, Doc, there's one for you.)
Yeah, Doc! I think Riopell lives in Arizona now. Besides the
Spector/Zekley/Wilson connections, Riopell was the force behind
A&M's often overlooked soft rock combo the Parade (sooper
highly recommended btw). A definite candidate for an in-depth
look at the LA scene during 65-68.
Re: Say Goodbye To Hollywood
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Madani wrote:
>I wouldn't mind hearing Ronnie's recording of Say Goodbye To
>Hollywood with the E Street Band. Anybody got a copy of that?
>What's that sound like?
Yes, somewhere I have a copy. It doesn't vary much from Joel's
take on it, save for Ronnie's trademark vibrato. It's been
years since I've heard it, but my recollection is that while it
is an interesting listen, it is far from essential.
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Subject: Pixies Three CD or Pixies 3-CD
Sent: 05/27/98 1:16 am
Received: 05/27/98 7:25 am
From: joel thomas, aoirXXX@XXXXXXies.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
Professor Jack wrote:
> I'm confused about Pixies 3 on cd: What's this about a
> three-cd set of all their stuff? Where can one get it?
sorry, i may have confused you all, i recently referred to
Pixies 3 on cd and said we listened to it at work. actually,
what we listened to was called "Death to the Pixies" and that
was a 3 cd set. i remember at least some of it being live.
sorry for any confusion.
> Does anyone have any opinions on the Roy Orbison live cd that
> apparently is available only through Best Buy? How are the
> performances and how is the sound quality?
the 2 cuts i've heard are "only the lonely" and "cryin" and
they were both of good quality. yes i have the right cd this
time.
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Subject: May 29
Sent: 05/29/98 7:43 pm
Received: 05/29/98 8:13 pm
From: le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com
On May 29, 1959, perhaps the very first outdoor rock n roll concert
was held in Atlanta. On the bill: RAY CHARLES, B.B. KING, and the
DRIFTERS.
In 1966, on this day the number one record in US was "When a Man
Loves a Woman" by Percy Sledge. In the UK, the Stones held the
#1 position with "Paint It, Black."
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