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Volume #0096 June 17, 1998
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Tapping the most undeveloped field in the automatic music business
Subject: "Maybe Tomorrow"
Sent: 06/09/98 11:47 am
Received: 06/10/98 12:19 am
From: Gil McLean, gillXXX@XXX.com
Does anyone know the words to the bridge of the Ivey's (a.k.a.
Badfinger) hit "Maybe Tomorrow." I've been listening over and over
again and I can't discern the tail end. I'm going nuts, somebody
please help!
Gil
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Subject: John Carter CD/Claudine Clark
Sent: 06/10/98 12:26 am
Received: 06/10/98 12:19 am
From: Kieron Tyler, kierXXX@XXXs.org.uk
le_page_XXX@XXXities.com asked about the a CD by John Carter
called 'The Denmark Street Demos'.
I bought this a few weeks ago. It's great, what is so surprising
is that all the demos sound like they could be finished records.
Its copied off acetates, but the sound is great. Included is orig.
demo of 'Is It true' which Brenda Lee did, its a bit different with
some extra bits. Also theres 'Can't You hear My Heartbeat', which
is an example of one of the songs where the released versions
(Goldie, Herman) just copied the demo faithfully. Another great
track is 'Brown and Porter meat exporters' which Manfred Mann did.
But the previously unreleased tracks are all of a high standard
with some top notch Beach Boys touches here and there. I'd
recommend it to anyone who likes mid-60s UK pop with an Ivy League/
Harmony slant. It says on the liner notes that there may be a
part 2.
On a different subject, can anyone tell me what 'Walking through a
graveyard' by Claudine Clark sounds like. Is it like 'Party lights'?
All the best, Kieron.
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Subject: Re: John Carter
Sent: 06/09/98 10:18 am
Received: 06/10/98 12:19 am
From: David Bash, BashXXX@XXXcom
<< From: le_page_XXX@XXXities.com
Just wanted to ask if anyone has picked up either of these
discs and can advise on the quality.
I saw a CD by John Carter called The Denmark Street Demos. For
those who might not know, Denmark Street is a little alleyway
at Charing Cross in London where music-related businesses set
up shop. Denmark Street is still music oriented, but mostly
instrument shops now, I believe.
Anyway, I rather like Ivy League and Flowerpot Men; has anyone
heard this John Carter release?>>
Hi Jamie,
I have heard it, and I would like to take the liberty of
presenting a yet to be published review of it that I wrote for
Discoveries magazine. Here it is:
John Carter
As You Like It Vol. 1 (The Denmark Street Demos 1963-67) Westside
Records WESM 523
*****John Carter may not be a household name, but Carter penned
songs like "Can't You Hear My Heartbeat," "Little Bit O Soul," and
"Beach Baby" were heard in many a household. Besides being a
songwriter of the first order, Carter was also a very able
performer, being the force behind bands like The Ivy League, The
Flower Pot Men, and Stamford Bridge, all of whom produced several
memorable pop songs. As You Like It Vol. 1 (The Denmark Street
Demos 1963-67) is a collection of songwriter demos that Carter,
along with his writing and performing partner Ken Lewis (as well
as back-up musicians), recorded with the hope that they would be
covered by either established or up and coming artists. His wish
came true with regard to several of the 26 tunes on this
collection as they either made it onto albums by big name artists,
or did quite well on both the UK and US pop charts. These demo
versions have remained unreleased until today, and they make for
an extremely fine collection, and because they were done by what
was essentially a full complement of musicians they stand on their
own as having been worthy of release at the time they were recorded.
The liner notes contain an interview with Carter in which he
provides annotation for each of the tracks, and his recollections
provide an excellent insight into both the creation and evolution
of these tunes.
Given that Carter-Lewis was a UK songwriting team, and that the
tracks on As You Like It Vol. 1 were recorded in the mid 60s, it's
no surprise that several of them were done in the popular beat
style of the time. Carter shows himself to be a capable vocalist,
and although his voice may not have as much power as some other
beat vocalists, it displays a great deal of clarity and
versatility. Among the best of the beat oriented tracks on this
collection are "Thank You For Loving Me," which was later recorded
by The Ivy League, "Don't Put The Blame On Me," which contains some
stinging guitar licks by Mick Keene (or perhaps it was Jimmy Page,
who Carter assures us was at a few of the Denmark Street sessions)
"Brown And Porter's (Meat Exporters) Lorry," (A track that was
written for Manfred Mann and recorded by them, but never released.
Freddie And The Dreamers did release it, though) and "How Can I
Turn Away," which has a sound that would have been perfect for the
Hollies. Carter-Lewis were able to break out of the beat mold as
well, as many songs herein so eloquently prove, like the Pet
Sounds-y "Am I Losing You," which would later be covered by The
Flower Pot Men, the stingingly soulful "La La La (Baby Do It)" and
"What A Wonderful Feeling," the intense, uneasy "Come To The Party,
which was later covered by The Image (Dave Edmunds' first band),
"It's Your Turn To Cry," whose "I told you so" lyrics are bathed in
musical pathos for a striking contradiction, the majestic "She
Won't Show Up Tonight," the Who-like "Mad," "Head To Toe," which
was written for the Troggs (though never recorded by them) and
sounds like it, with a spoken word section that is so similar to
that of "Wild Thing" that it will definitely coax a chuckle or two,
and "Waiting Here For Someone", which features a nice 12 string
foundation. Among the demos on this collections that became hits
for other artists are the pleasant "Sunday For Tea," which reached
#31 on the Billboard charts for Peter and Gordon, "Is It True," #17
in both the US and UK for Brenda Lee, and "Can You Hear My
Heartbeat", which had a very interesting genesis: Carter and Lewis
gave the demo to Mickie Most, and he thought it would be perfect
for one of the bands he was managing at the time, the Animals (!).
They never did do a version, but Animals member Alan Price took it
to a girl group called Goldie and the Gingerbreads and recorded it
with them. Most was quite unhappy about this, and brought it to
Herman's Hermits, who did a version which rushed to #2 on the
Billboard charts. Most wanted to release it in the UK, but Goldie
and the Gingerbreads had already done so with their version, which
reached #25. Carter's demo is the same basic model as that which
Herman's Hermits recorded, making one wonder what Most was
thinking when he deemed it suitable for The Animals.
All in all, As You Like It Vol.1, (The Denmark Street Demos 1963-
67) serves not only as a worthy collection of tunes but also as a
window into what was happening, or would happen, in the UK music
scene of the mid 60s, and it truly is a pity that more of these
tunes weren't picked up by other artists.
Westside Records, West Heath Yard, 174 Mill Lane, London NW6 1TB.
Fax: 0171-433 3909*****
I hope this doesn't sound arrogant because I don't mean it to be,
but just to be a responsible person I have to ask that nobody
print this review in any sort of publication or website, as it is
exclusively intended for Discoveries. Thanks!
<<I also recently saw the new Odessey and Oracle release with the
long lost mono mix, the stereo mix and some alternate mixes (I
think). Does anyone on the list know about this release? Please do
fill us in. As far as I knew, as of Zombies Heaven release the
original mono O&O masters were still missing.>>
It's a fantastic release. All Zombies fans MUST have this, as the
mono mixes are sometimes drastically different from the stereo,
and the alternate version of "Time Of The Season" is a classic.
As for the mono masters, I'd better leave that one to Alec Palao,
who put together the project. Hey Alec (and Jeff Glenn) don't you
think that the verse of "You Better Be Careful" by The Golliwogs
sounds an awful lot like the verse of "She's Not There"?
--
Spectropop Rules!!!!!
Take Care,
David
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Subject: Re: the vaudeville fad of '66 & '67
Sent: 06/09/98 2:53 am
Received: 06/09/98 7:03 am
From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXX.com
Another was "Bonnie and Clyde" by the Chicago Prohibition 1941.
"Winchester Cathedral" preceeded the flick Bonnie and Clyde
slightly, but that movie undoubtedly influenced music, too.
Doc
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Subject: Re: Chiffons
Sent: 06/09/98 2:53 am
Received: 06/09/98 7:03 am
From: Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXX.com
>It suddenly struck me that we've had precious little mention of
>the Chiffons, and yet on any short list of favorite girl-group
>songs...
I always liked "A Love So Fine" better than "One Fine Day," but I
have always been alone in that!
Doc
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Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0095
Sent: 06/09/98 3:49 am
Received: 06/09/98 7:03 am
From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXax.com
Big L <biXXX@XXXetmail.com> commented:
>I have been thinking about the vaudeville fad of 1966 and 1967.
>Without doing a lot of research, it seems that it was kicked off
>by the record "Winchester Cathedral." Or was it?
>
>Records that also featured vaudeville elements:
>
>Mammy; I Got Rhythm; - The Happenings
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I was always amused that back in 1967, two songs used similar "
dit-dit-dit" or "dip-dip" backup vocals: The Happenings' "I Got
Rhythm" and The Five Americans' "Western Union." Both came out
within a month of each other. I seem to recall a comedy sketch on
The Smothers Brothers show from around this time that combined
both songs into a single medley, which was pretty funny.
--MFW
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Subject: 60s girl singers
Sent: 06/09/98 8:32 am
Received: 06/10/98 12:19 am
From: CLAUDIA CUNNINGHAM, TPXXX@XXXv.net
Lots of mention abounds about the 60s girl singers, but what of
forgotton folks like Jackie Ross ("Selfish One"), Barbara George
("I Know"), Ketty Lester ("Love Letters") and Toni Fisher "(The Big
Hurt"), to name a few?
AND a Spector trivia question: Just who WAS Bobbi Soxx and the
Bluejeans ("Zippety Do Dah")??? Were they an actual band or just
some of Spector's session singers?
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Subject: Re: Chiffons & Stereo Unchained Melody
Sent: 06/09/98 9:47 am
Received: 06/10/98 12:19 am
From: Billy G. Spradlin, bilXXX@XXXore.net
Jack Madani wrote:
>
>It suddenly struck me that we've had precious little mention of
>the Chiffons
<snip>
>You got yer Crystals and Ronettes, for obvious (spector)
>reasons. And in the non-Spector category, Shangri-Las and
>Shirelles seem to be consensus choices for greatest girl groups.
>Then you got yer various cult faves, like the Pixies 3 and
>Reparata and Cookies and so forth. But the Chiffons seem to get
>lost in the gaps.
I agree Jack, I think they made some of the greatest girl group
records! I love those 4 part harmonies, they proably had the best
singing voices of any girl group, and they had no lack of
excellent songs or production, which crippled the Shirelles in
thier later years. I own the Ace 30-song (on one CD!) Chiffons
Collection and its filled with gems, 45's that should have been
huge. My guess if they were on a bigger company than Laurie they
would have had more hits. "Nobody Knows What's Goin' On (In My My
Mind but Me) is a brilliant record that should have gotten higher
than #49 in 1965.
>====================
>
>Subject: Stereo Unchained Melody
>
>Hey, today I heard a stereo version of Unchained Melody by the
>Righteous Brothers. Is this a big deal or not?
I dont think so, its been in stereo on the Verve "Greatest Hits"
LP (and later CD) for many years now. When the song was
re-released while "Ghost" was hot in the theatres, thats the only
version I heard on the radio around here.
I prefer the mono mix which is on the Phil Spector Box set. Most
of those Phillies-era stereo mixes dont sound very good to my ears,
the backing track on "Unchained" and "Lovin' Feeling" is mixed
much lower on the left channel than in the mono 45 mixes. However
"Soul and Inspiration" sounds great in stereo, with lots of mic
leakage between the left and right channels.
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Subject: Re: Stereo Unchained Melody
Sent: 06/09/98 3:54 am
Received: 06/09/98 7:03 am
From: Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXax.com
Jack Madani <Jack_MadXXX@XXXk12.nj.us> commented:
>Hey, today I heard a stereo version of Unchained Melody by the
>Righteous Brothers. Is this a big deal or not?
------------------------<snip>------------------------
No. It's in stereo on the following CDs:
Anthology: 1962-1974 ~ Rhino R2-71488 (3:34 stereo)
Classic Rock - 1965: Shakin' All Over ~ Time-Life 2CLR-14 (3:35 stereo)
Everlasting Love ~ Sessions OPCD-4522 (3:35 stereo - sl. hiss)
Greatest Hits ~ Verve (Euro.) 823 119-2 (3:34 stereo - very hissy)
Magic Moments ~ Heartland OPCD-4536 (3:35 stereo)
Reflections of Love ~ Starland Music OPCD-4572 (3:34 stereo)
Superhits - The Mid '60s ~ Time-Life SUD-12 (3:35 stereo - sl. hiss)
Tonight's the Night ~ Time-Life 4517 (3:34 stereo)
Young Love ~ Starland Music 4571 (3:35 stereo)
In fact, the only place with the mono mix that I know of is:
Phil Spector: Back to Mono (1958-1969) [boxed set] ~ Abkco 7118-2 (3:36
mono - single mix / sl. hiss)
There are quite a few stereo rarities out there that I'm still
looking for. If anybody has a lead on the stereo mix of The Stones
' "19th Nervous Breakdown" (played by a few oldies stations in
syndication), let me know!
--MFW
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Subject: RE:Vaudeville Fad '66 & '67
Sent: 06/09/98 5:31 am
Received: 06/09/98 7:03 am
From: James K Cribb, jkcrXXX@XXXp.com
To: SPECTROPOP, spectroXXX@XXXe.com
Big L noted:
>>I would welcome any comments, and identification of other songs
from the period that I have missed.<<
As for other vaudeville tunes it seems that the Monkees had a few,
most notably "D.W. Washburn" and it seems that their Nilsson
interpretations (Cuddly Toy and Daddy's Song)had elements of
vaudeville -- perhaps the producers wanted to build upon Davy
Jones' London stage experience.
Macca always had a leaning toward the British dance hall numbers.
When I'm Sixty-four was from '67.
As for the source, I remember around that time a television
program featuring Mickey Finn, who did this sort of turn of the
century ragtime dance hall stuff. It was a popular program at our
house as my father favored ragtime piano. I remember the upright
piano, straw boaters, and sleeve garters and a certain pubescent
interest in the leg kicking can-can girls. And about that summer
Joey Heatherton had a summer replacement show for Dean Martin and
I began to understand hormones...
But that's another story.
James
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Subject: Vaudville
Sent: 06/09/98 1:22 pm
Received: 06/10/98 12:19 am
From: Javed Jafri, javedjaXXX@XXXnt.ca
> Subject: the vaudeville fad of '66 & '67
> Sent: 06/08/98 11:33 am
> Received: 06/09/98 1:15 am
> From: Big L, biXXX@XXXetmail.com
>
> I have been thinking about the vaudeville fad of 1966 and 1967.
> Without doing a lot of research, it seems that it was kicked off
> by the record "Winchester Cathedral." Or was it?
> Records that also featured vaudeville elements:
> Hello Hello - Sopwith Camel
> Words Of Love; Creeque Alley - Mamas & Papas
> Anything Goes - Harper's Bizarre
> Mammy; I Got Rhythm; - The Happenings
There were a number of artists that experimented with older
musical styles in the mid sixties. You would certainly have to
include the Lovin Spoonful and also Jim Kweskin's Jugband. There
was also the Charlatans from San Francisco, who included Dan Hicks
in their ranks. Dan Hicks & his Hot Licks would carry on the
tradition of the 20's and 30's well into the 1970's. The
Charlatans by the way recorded a version of Van Dyke Parks's High
Coin.
Someone has already mentioned "That Acapulco Gold" by the Rainy
Daze which made the lower reaches of the national charts in 1967
but did much better in LA and San Francisco. It might have been a
big national hit if radio had not discovered what the song was all
about.
Finally we should not forget "The Eggplant That Ate Chicago" by Dr
. West's Medicine Show & Junk Band. A group fronted by Norman
Greenbaum.
Before I go what about "You Know You Really Turn Me On" by Ian
Whitcomb or "The Ballad Of Bonnie & Clyde" by Georgie Fame.
Javed
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