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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Gene Radice - Bob Gallo
From: Mike Rashkow
2. Re: the stereo/mono debate
From: Billy G. Spradlin
3. Re: "Devil or Angel" Chart
From: Bob
4. Re: Jeff Lynne on Free as a bird
From: Mark Wirtz
5. Al Kooper, Christine Quaite, "What Am I Gonna Do With You--Hey Baby"
From: Mark
6. Re: Mark Radice
From: James Botticelli
7. Ragin' Cajuns
From: Steve Harvey
8. Re: Vinyl Junkies
From: Stewart Mason
9. Re: The Buchanan Brothers
From: Austin Roberts
10. Re: All our celebrity guests
From: Artie Butler
11. Lloyd Thaxton DVD
From: Ed B
12. Re: Buzz Cason
From: Austin Roberts
13. Re: Attn all Lloyd Thaxton fans
From: Phil Milstein
14. Re: Austin Roberts Interview - Arkade/Austin R. music
From: Austin Roberts
15. Re: Austin Roberts Interview - Arkade/Austin R. music
From: Austin Roberts
16. Re: the stereo/mono debate
From: Mike McKay
17. Re: Jimmie Haskell / Louie Shelton / Clingers
From: Austin Roberts
18. Re: The Buchanan Brothers/Cashmen/Morning Mist, etc etc
From: Austin Roberts
19. Re: The Eighth Day / Artie Butler
From: Michel Gignac
20. Re: Cymbal & Clinger
From: Austin Roberts
21. Re: Al Kooper, Monkey Time & Golden Apples
From: Howard
22. Welcome Al; Chuck Berry
From: Bob Rashkow
23. The Butler did it - Ben E. King
From: Mick Patrick
24. Questions for Al
From: Al Kooper
25. Questions for Al
From: Al Kooper
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:45:18 EST
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: Re: Gene Radice - Bob Gallo
Dear Stephane,
Thank you for your detailed and informative reply for
information on Bob Gallo.
It seems he did quite a bit of work. I am not familiar
with any of it but based on the one record I have he had
a great feel for Soul/R&B and could get it on the tape.
I appreciate the time and effort to post this for me. I
am hopeful of learning a little more about him personally
as well as what he created.
Di la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:49:40 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: the stereo/mono debate
Paul Bryant:
> So you have to judge song by song. Some are better,
> some not. With Pet Sounds, as the accompanying book
> says, it's not done to replace the mono.
I guess mono fanatics live with the fear that the mono mix they grew
up on will be replaced by the stereo remix in future CD reissues.
I just hate bad stereo remixes where the engineer attempts to create
a "Modern" stereo mix. I still remember the Phil Collins sounding
gated snare drum on the Byrds "Lady Friend" (on the deleted "Never
Before" album on Murry Hill) that stuck out like a sore thumb.
That said I would love to see Mark Linnet remix the tracks from
the "Today" and "Summer Nights" era. He did a fine job remixing "Pet
Sounds", IMHO.
Billy
http://listen.to/jangleradio
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:20:02 -0000
From: Bob
Subject: Re: "Devil or Angel" Chart
Steveo
> The chart on "Devil or Angel" is a pop masterpiece!
Steve,
Indeed it is! I've posted a shot of the bass vocal chart from
the session on the "Photos" section. The copyist was Jewell Grant.
Thought you might like a closer look at Ernie's work!
Bob
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:30:36 -0500
From: Mark Wirtz
Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne on Free as a bird
Mark Radice writes:
> I'm 46 now, still writing
> about 3 songs a week...
Hiya, Mark (yet ANOTHER ONE?)
3 a week? Geeez, what kinda musical Viagra are YOU taking?
About a dozen solid ones a year, that's all i can "come up"
with. Mind you, I'm a year or two older than you, so I guess
I have an excuse.
Welcome to Spectropop. It doesn't get any cooler, except for, of
course, the spiritually related Harmony Rock site "Harmony High",
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harmonyhigh (worth a visit!).
Keep rocking!
Best,
Mad Mark Wirtz
P.S. What's all this dissing of good ol' Lynne? Come on, guys,
the man is a tradition! Not to like him is like not liking
Big Ben, or the Eiffel Tower. Might not be your favorite
architectual cuppa tea, but kinda silly to dismiss 'em,
don't ya think?
m-m
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:57:19 GMT
From: Mark
Subject: Al Kooper, Christine Quaite, "What Am I Gonna Do With You--Hey Baby"
First off, a BIG welcome to Mr. Al Kooper! I was just listening
to my CD of "Al's Big Deal: Unclaimed Freight" at work the other
day, as I was in the mood for it.
I've admired your work for years, from the Blues Project to BS&T
to the Super Session to your solo work and producing Lynyrd Skynyrd,
and I also enjoyed your version of "Salmon Falls" on the Nilsson
tribute CD "For the Love of Harry". And "Backstage Passes and
Backstabbing Bastards" is one of the best music memoirs I've ever read!
"What is Soul"--isn't that on the Ben E. King Anthology that Rhino
put out? I could've sworn it was on there! He also remade the song
for his LP with the Average White Band, "Benny and Us".
Re Christine Quaite: I mentioned that it came out on Laurie per
Tim Ashibende's want list, yet I've perused my Laurie discog in
Stak-O-Wax and NOTHING has turned up! Is there any way of confirming
or denying this? I don't want to feel bad for possibly conveying
misinformation.
Re "What Am I Gonna Do With You--Hey Baby": Surprised that none
of the other folks who are into Northern soul didn't mention this,
but there's a decent version of this song by the Inspirations, on
the flip of their Northern soul classic, "Touch Me, Hold Me, Kiss Me"
(Black Pearl 100).
Best,
Mark
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:47:32 -0500
From: James Botticelli
Subject: Re: Mark Radice
Mark Radice wrote:
> I'm 46 now, still writing about 3 songs a week, and have
> been fortunate enough to have my songs on well over 120
> different CDs :) I passed the 3000 mark for songwriting
> in 1998....sick, ain't it?
Mark. Did you do "If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em"?
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:57:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Harvey
Subject: Ragin' Cajuns
Phil M:
> Johnnie Allan: Promised Land.
Yes, Johnnie Allan by all means. Ever note how he
left out the verse about "put me in a silk suit and
stuck luggage in my hand"?
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:40:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: Vinyl Junkies
Art Longmire writes:
> I've skimmed over parts of the book, Mark -- it's
> intriguing, although I don't agree with everything he
> says. One statement made in the text really caught my
> eye -- someone was quoted as saying that there are no
> female record collectors! There's got to be some
> somewhere, although I personally don't know any ...
I vaguely know Brett Milano (pretty much just on the
"we say hi to each other when our paths cross at gigs"
level, although we've spent years on the same mailing
list) and I'm sure he doesn't agree with that
statement, whoever made it. For one thing, I know
that Brett knows at least one female record collector,
because he knows my wife!
Stewart
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:56:56 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Buchanan Brothers
Mark writes:
> Austin--whatever happened to Gene Pistilli? I know he broke it
> off with Cashman and West to form the Manhattan Transfer, but
> I don't think I've heard anything about him since.
Hi Mark,
I don't know if I answered this question about Gene P.,but
he's alive and well writing songs in Nashville as far as I know.
AR
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:36:33 EST
From: Artie Butler
Subject: Re: All our celebrity guests
I wrote "Down Home Girl" with the great Jerry Leiber.
I do not think he had another song in mind.
If so, it's news to me. Thanks for writing to me.
Artie Butler
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:47:49 -0000
From: Ed B
Subject: Lloyd Thaxton DVD
I think a Lloyd Thaxton DVD set would be awesome.
Growing up in Boston my vivid memory is The Turtles
performing Grim Reaper of Love and We'll Meet Again.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:45:27 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Buzz Cason
Jeff Lemlich:
> Can you ask Cason what he remembers about Edie Walker?
Jeff,
Buzz Cason said he remembered Edie but has no idea where
she is now or what she's doing. Sorry.
Austin
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:25:33 -0500
From: Phil Milstein
Subject: Re: Attn all Lloyd Thaxton fans
Patricia wrote:
> Concerning those who have inquired about a DVD -- or (hint hint)
> DVDs, wouldn't a BOX SET be groovy??? -- below is a direct
> quote from the man himself rec'd just today:
> "I have all the material and am seriously considering it.
> If I could get more mail like yours, it would HAPPEN!"
Oh yeah, that definitely should happen, and ASAP. There is precious
little vintage-era TV music footage well-transferred and legally
available, and Lloyd's show, being on one hour daily (correct?) for all
the right years, hosted virtually all the finest performers of the '60s.
Just the other day I was privileged to see a great clip of The
Shangri-Las running through a few of their hits, after which Mary and
Lloyd mock(?)-maul each other following a flirtatious exchange. Yet as
thrilling (and bizarre) as this all was, the transfer I had was
grotesque, with timing bars in two or three places that some dingaling
had seen fit to pixelate out, making those areas even more difficult to
see through than they'd been in the first place.
If Lloyd's master tapes, or something close to them, still exist, their
release would be a vital addition to our cultural heritage, especially
when you consider the alternative: their being lost forever.
--Phil Milstein
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:23:55 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Austin Roberts Interview - Arkade/Austin R. music
Art Longmire:
> Was this recorded in 1968? The lyrics on this song always seemed to
> me to refer to marijuana. Yes, another one of the infamous "Mary"
> songs. But that may be just me reading something into it that isn't
> there.
> I also have the Arkade song "Sing Out the Love" on Dunhill Records-
> this is the only song by Arkade I've heard so far.
Hi Art,
Mary was actually a beautiful 'flower child' I met one day
while writing in Central Park.It really wasn't a 'joint'
song, I swear. Also the biggest record the Arkade had was
Morning Of Our Lives which went top 50 (I think) pop and
top 15 on the AC charts.
Best,
Austin Roberts
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:11:56 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Austin Roberts Interview - Arkade/Austin R. music
Mike Dugo wrote:
> I know Austin has been kind enough to respond to many questions
> via this list, but I'd like to welcome any and all questions from
> fellow Spectropoppers. If you have questions you'd like to ask
> Austin, please send them to me, mike @ 60sgaragebands.com (no
> spaces). I'll be sure to include them into my interview.
Hey Mike,
I'm still in the process of moving back to Nashville in time
to do a tribute show for my friend Gene Hughes (Casino's lead
singer) on Feb. 10th. He had a bad car wreck recently,as you
probably know. Bunch of us doing it. Let me know when you want
to do interview. Almost anytime would be fine, just let me know.
Austin
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:45:17 EST
From: Mike McKay
Subject: Re: the stereo/mono debate
Paul Bryant wrote:
> So you have to judge song by song. Some are better,
> some not. With Pet Sounds, as the accompanying book
> says, it's not done to replace the mono. It's another
> version. Like, say, the director's cut of Apocalypse
> Now is another version, not intended to replace the
> first famous version.
John wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. In some way I've always felt lucky
> that there are "other" mixes to be found of familiar things.
I'm all for multiple mixes of songs being widely available. The CDs of
"Jefferson Airplane Takes Off" and the first Buffalo Springfield album, which
contained both mono and stereo versions, were a great idea.
The problem is that this is very much the exception rather than the rule.
Starting in 1967-68 with the phasing out of mono LPs, and continuing right on
through the CD era until relatively recently, the stereo mixes of classic 60s
material have almost invariably been the ONLY mixes available. The consequence of
this is simply stated: with few exceptions, it has been impossible to hear
the vast majority of the music we fell in love with in the 1960s **in the form
in which we fell in love with it** -- unless one is willing to put up with
surface noise and scratches from the original LPs.
A further consequence: the classic songs heard on Oldies radio stations are
often wildly different from the way they sounded when they were contemporary
hits...and yet all but the most avid listeners don't even realize this and come
to accept what they hear today as the real McCoy. (The most egregious example
of all: a completely different [and vastly inferior] take of The Animals' "We
Gotta Get Out of This Place" is heard on 99 percent of Oldies stations*,
rather than the original US single version.)
And I don't want to hear "But those songs were mixed to sound good on tinny
transistor and car radios...we can't play the original mixes on FM now!"
Bullfeathers! Plenty of us played our 45s on our parents' console stereos at home
and didn't suffer any dire consequences. I'll take my chances with the original
mono mixes, as opposed to hearing something that sounds like it comes from a
different universe altogether.
* I say 99 percent because Cleveland's WMJI plays the correct version, and
also the original single versions of Neil Diamond's "Solitary Man" and "Cherry
Cherry," too...bless 'em. But they're the only ones I've ever heard do this.
Mike
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:28:23 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Jimmie Haskell / Louie Shelton / Clingers
Patrick Rands:
> Is Louie Shelton at all related to Fred Shelton? Just curious,
> because The Clinger Sisters sang backup on one of Fred's albums
> in the 70s, maybe they also worked with Louie at some point too.
I honestly don't know if Louie is related to Fred. Sorry,
Austin
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:31:48 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: The Buchanan Brothers/Cashmen/Morning Mist, etc etc
Clark Besch:
> and "Rosianna"/"A Song With A Happy Soul". "Rosianna" was the
> original version of the Robbs' later incarnation, Cherokee's second
> single release. Austin, were you involved in these?? Did you have any
> contact with the Robbs? I have been hoping for a legit Cd of their
> stuff.
Wasn't involved in these.
Austin
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:40:41 -0000
From: Michel Gignac
Subject: Re: The Eighth Day / Artie Butler
It so wonderful to read messages from so many of our idols, like
newer members Austin Roberts, Al Kooper, etc. I have already told to
Ron Dante that the album 'On The Eighth Day' is my favourite one of
all time. Now I can say to Artie Butler the same thing. Artie was the
arranger and the conductor on this album.
I was checking some of my singles from A to D, and found that many of
my favourites songs were arranged by Mister Butler. To name a few :
The Boy From New York City (by Ad Libs); many Tommy Boyce & Bobby
Hart's recordings, including Goodbye Baby; Why Did You Do It Baby
(by Lou Christie); the incredible Don't Let The Rain Fall Down On
Me (by The Critters); The Loving Things (by The December's
Children); so many records by Neil Diamond, and even many songs by
Paul Anka. The list would be so long. Like I once told to Alan Gordon
and other celebrities on this list, thank you all for giving us so
much pleasure!
Michel Gignac.
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:09:15 EST
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Cymbal & Clinger
Patrick Rands:
> Cymbal and Clinger had a song called Sunshine Man on a single
> released by Judd Hamilton, which also had a song by you and Johnny
> called Baltimore. Here are the details:
> Sunshine Man (Cymbal / Clinger) / Baltimore (Cymbal / A. Roberts)
> Produced by JC and JH / Arranged by Don Hackett
> American International Records (AIR) A-1092/A-1093 (Promotional
> copy) /Manufactured by Forward Records
> Do you remember this single or Judd Hamilton? I'd love to know more
> about him and who he is.
Thanks for reminding me about Baltimore. Judd is a real talented guy.
He is also the brother of the Hamilton in H, J F and R.
Austin
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:37:32 -0500
From: Howard
Subject: Re: Al Kooper, Monkey Time & Golden Apples
Seeing Al Kooper (Hi Al) is now a member of the list reminds
me he released a version of Curtis Mayfield composition
'Monkey Time' (CBS in UK methinks). Which in turn brought me
onto a possible new thread? How may other artists beside the
late great Major Lance have recorded versions of that song??
I can start you off with .. Golden Apples Of The Sun, which
was released on Andrew Loog Oldhams 'Immediate' label in the
UK.. Next?
cheers..
Howard
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:50:04 EST
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Welcome Al; Chuck Berry
Not to put too fine a point on it. Al Kooper's here and
ain't it a treat! It would take us 24-48 hours to list
all of the fine work you've done but for now let's just
say Sea-Lark Enterprises and some of the most fabulous 6Ts
pop tunes....SUPER SESSION......Blues Project tres
psychedelico......and the phenomenal BS&T early stuff.
Thanks for coming! ! !
My favorite Chuck Berry moment is probably from "School Day"
--not to state the obvious--"Hail hail, rock 'n' roll!"
Bobster
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:21:42 -0000
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: The Butler did it - Ben E. King
Recent posts from Rashkovsky and Al Kooper prompted me to
pull out my Ben E. King records. Lo and behold, there's Artie
Butler's name as arranger on a couple. Not just any old couple
either. Dig:
"I Can't Break The News To Myself" (6390, 1965). Produced by
Arif Mardin. The backing vocals on this baby are sensational.
Gotta be the (proto) Sweet Inspirations. Or is it Valerie
Simpson's gang? A guy's gotta know these things. Help me, Mr
Butler! And while you're at it, who's it likely to be on that
most vital instrument of the time, the triangle? How I love
triangle records.
"Where's The Girl" (Atco 6596, 1968). A magnificent Leiber &
Stoller song previously cut by Jerry Butler, Freddie Scott and
others. L & S also produced this. The arrangement is positively
Bacharachian in its sophistication. Talking of whom, Jerry Leiber
seems to have taken a leaf from Hal David in the lyric department,
too. Great, great record. Remember this one, Artie?
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:01:02 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Questions for Al
previously:
> Al, a question for ya. I recall, quite a few years back, you were a
> frequent contributor to Goldmine. I always enjoyed your reviews when
> they appeared. But then, no sooner you were featured in their pages,
> you just as quickly disappeared. What happened? I do recall a letter
> or two complaining about your writing style, specifically the use of
> certain off-color terminology. Was this a factor?
Naaa
I just got a monthly column writing for EQ magazine
Did that for six years until a new editor took over and
didn't have the slightest idea what I was writing about
and fired me. I am starting to reprint those columns on
my website http://www.alkooper.com under WORDS.
Thanks for your kind words
Al Kooper
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 06:05:58 EST
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Questions for Al
previously:
> would be interested to know if you were involved with
> the Lewis session, and who chose to have the "Chordovox"
> sound on the organ. Was John West involved?
Believe East Coast me, I had nothing to do with that
West Coast session!! The arranger was early Leon Russell
so perhaps he was the organist . I believe Jim Keltner
played drums and Carl Radle played bass
Al Kooper
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