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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: "Roses Are Red (My Love)"
From: Joe Nelson
2. Re: Tommy Boyce
From: Mikey
3. The Magicians Reunited
From: Christian Gordon
4. One of the greatest days of being an audience member in my life.
From: Al Kooper
5. Girls With Guitars
From: Julio Niño
6. Re: Judgement Time for The Magoos
From: Dave O'Gara
7. Re: Knickerbockers
From: Paul Levinson
8. Re: Accuracy of Top 40 Playlists
From: Gary Myers
9. Re: overdubs
From: Gary Myers
10. Re: Blues Magoos / Rick Nelson
From: Joey Stec
11. Re: found 'em at Goodwill!
From: Don
12. Re: Knickerbockers
From: Al Kooper
13. Re: Knickerbockers
From: Gary Myers
14. Re: Crime Story
From: Mike
15. Re: Crime Story
From: Al Kooper
16. The Metropolitan SoulShow Playlist 25th April
From: Simon White
17. Re: Girls With Guitars
From: Mick Patrick
18. Kit Kats/New Hope Yahoo! Group
From: S.J. Dibai
19. 1966 Local Boston hits
From: Ed B
20. Re: Ruby & The Romantics
From: bonnieb22002
21. Re: Knickerbockers
From: Peter Grad
22. Re: the price of love
From: Ken Silverwood
23. What Hath God Wrought?
From: Mike Rashkow
24. Re: Tex & The Chex
From: Hal Muskat
25. Re: Anita Humes & The Essex
From: pres
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:14:20 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: "Roses Are Red (My Love)"
Paul Evans:
> By the way, the original demo of "Roses...." can be found on a
> couple of my CDs. You might find it interesting to compare the demo
> with the Vinton recording.
Vinton has said numerous times how he found that demo in a stack of
rejects at Epic, but never mentioneed you were the singer. I wonder
if her ever knew...
Joe Nelson
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:15:43 -0400
From: Mikey
Subject: Re: Tommy Boyce
ACJ:
> The discussion of Tommy Boyce reminds me: During the 1970s, Tommy
> co-wrote a book called "How To Write A Hit Song ... And Sell It,"
> which was advertised in publications like The National Enquirer.
> Anyone read that book? Was/is it worth reading?
Believe it or not, I HAVE that book.
It's a good read. Tommy talks about how he wrote most of his big hits,
and gives the young songwriter lots of tips.
Very interesting is the story behind The Monkees' "Valerie".
Mikey
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:14:44 -0400
From: Christian Gordon
Subject: The Magicians Reunited
Wanted to let the team know, I had the time of my life a few days
ago - your "That Alan", my POP, is in town and we had the pleasure
of being at a dinner with Garry (The White Tornado) and Jake (THE
Family Jewel). I've known these two guys for years, but whenever
they get together with The Old Man (who really isn't that old by
the way), a "Magic" truly enters the room.
Being at a restaurant, they didn't exactly let it rip, but they
couldn't help but sing a little bit. I asked if they remembered an
AG favorite (Once Upon A Time by Rochelle and The Candles) and
without skipping a beat they just went right into it. Nothing much
- just a few verses. Trust me on this - Garry can still bring it.
Pop jokes that The Magicians were so good "they disappeared" - but
to me they'll always be around.
I'm sure you'll be hearing from That Alan shortly upon his return...
Christian Gordon
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:52:27 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: One of the greatest days of being an audience member in my life.
Jonathan:
> One of those columns I wrote about a Carnegie Hall concert we covered
> together: Van Morrison and a young supporting act, Nils Lofgren.
I saw that show !!!!!!
It was an amazing show. Nils on his cutting edge playing for his life
opening for Van at CH. And Van - at his best - extrememly physical.
Kicking his legs up in the air, and narrating hilarious tales over the
music. And if that ain't grand enough, that concert that night was
preceeded by an Elvis Presley matinee at Madison Square Garden! One of
the greatest days of being an audience member in my life.
Al Kooper
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:27:11 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Girls With Guitars
Hola Everybody.
I've spent the morning hiding from the implacable sun of Madrid,
sheltered in my lair. I'm thinking right now that if it was cruel
to be the only surfer boy in NYC (according to The Tradewinds), it
would be rather more problematic to be a vampire surfer boy.
Anyway, I've just read that nex month ACE Records is going to
release a new Girl Groups compilation: "Girls With Guitars", and I
wonder if Mick Patrick (who I bet is involved in that compilation)
could give us an advance of the track list.
Thanks.
Julio Niño.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:07:43 -0000
From: Dave O'Gara
Subject: Re: Judgement Time for The Magoos
Me:
> A couple of recents posts here mentioned both Rick Nelson and the
> Blues Magoos. It reminded me of a discovery I made many years ago
> that the intro to Rick's "Summertime" and the Blues Magoos "We Ain't
> Got Nothin' Yet" are very, very similar. Anyone else ever notice?
Al Kooper wrote:
> Glad you noticed that, Dave. I ALWAYS thought The Magoos completely
> stole poor Rick's (actually probably James Burton, the guitarist's)
> licks from their version of "Summertime". I believe chronology is on
> Rick's side. Help us out those with date books, por favor.
Rick's version of Summertime was on the flip of his Top 10 smash
"Young World". Young World hit the charts 3/03/62. Summertime made it
to Billboard a week later but lasted only 2 weeks peaking at #89.
We Ain't Got Nothin' Yet hit BB 12/10/66, peaking at #5 in 1967. The
flip of this single also charted for a while in the spring of '67. It
was called Pipe Dream; an apt description for hopes of a long musical
career?
Dave 0'
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:31:29 -0000
From: Paul Levinson
Subject: Re: Knickerbockers
Peter Grad wrote:
> Conversation has focused on Long Island groups... but I see someone
> mentioned the Knickerbockers ("Lies," "One Track Mind"). Few may
> know that this English-sounding group was headed by two brothers
> from the Bronx (names escape me at moment) but they grew up in the
> same building I did in the 50's and 60's: 660 Arnow Ave., Parkside
> Projects in the northeast Bronx.
Wow ... small-world time: I grew up right across the street from the
Parkside Projects in the 1950s -- on Olinville and Arnow Avenue. We
moved to the other side of the Parkside Projects -- Adee Towers (on
Adee and Bronx Park East) in 1959, and I lived three until 1967. I
loved the Knickerbockers' "Lies," but had no idea they were
neighbors. (I heard they got the name from Knickerbocker Road in
Teaneck, NJ.)
We used to have huge snowball fights on Arnow Avenue in the late
1950s. If I had known two of the Knickerbockers might have been
there, I would have thrown more softly...
All best,
Paul
www.sff.net/people/paullevinson
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:44:10 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Accuracy of Top 40 Playlists
Clark Besch:
> CFL had many new wrinkles, (or as Barney Pip put it to me, "gimmicks")
Barney Pip was one of many Chicago DJ's who had previously worked in
Milwaukee. When he was at WOKY there he would also MC dance contests,
etc., at clubs around town, and he did a couple with us. Of course, he
brought his trumpet and was very funny. A couple of us also visited him
at the station one afternoon.
Clark Weber was another guy whom I had met when we was at WRIT Milwaukee
and I was a young teen. I used to write to him occasionally when I was
on the road in the Midwest and he was at WLS in the early 60's.
gem
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:47:45 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: overdubs
Phil Milstein:
> Heard Sounds Of Silence ... I was struck by how seamless, and natural,
> those overdubs sound! ... despite the fact of this production being
> done in a manner opposite the standard -- rhythm tracks, of course,
> are usually put down first ...
My one solo release (on Edit in 1963) was done in an unusual way. I
played a drum track and then sang over it. The entire remaining
background - female voices, bass, gtr, pno, strings - was added later.
gem
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:41:47 -0400
From: Joey Stec
Subject: Re: Blues Magoos / Rick Nelson
In response to the inquiry about the "Summertime"
lick...I am Joey Stec and I was the follow up
guitar player in the Magoos with Ralph and
Ronnie....Ronnie did get the line from the
Summertime lick by Ricki and Raplh. Michael and
Ron wrote "We Ain't Got Nothing Yet"....Glad to help.
Regards
Joey Stec
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:45:03 -0000
From: Don
Subject: Re: found 'em at Goodwill!
Billy G Spradlin wrote:
> Found these gems at my local Goodwill last week, along with
> a few I found last year. Any info would be nice:
> Sugar Cakes -- When I'm With You b/w Chains (a nice update
> of the Goffin-King classic) Warner Bros/Seven Arts 7293
Hey Billy, it would be great if you could play this version of
Chains to Musica.
Thanks,
Don
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:55:47 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Knickerbockers
Austin Roberts:
> Buddy Randall (Crandall) the lead singer, sax player lived
> on Knickerbocker Rd. in New Jersey... Hey Al, wasn't Buddy
> in the Royal Teens?
He sure was
AK
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:50:40 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Knickerbockers
Peter Grad:
> Was their version of "I Know A Place" the same as Petula Clark?
Yes. I don't think it was recorded. This was just the typical
club band doing current hits "like the record", but in this
case, doing a song not typical for a club band.
> They also had one of the first jazz songs I ever liked, a
> classic ...something like Midnight Interlude or Almost Midnight
That's a surprise. I didn't know they did any jazz things.
"Round Midnight" maybe?
gem
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 08:19:07 -0400
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Crime Story
Al Kooper:
> When I scored the TV series CRIME STORY in '86/'87, I also was
> hired to pick the records played in the show...
Hey Al...
I remember one time, watching Crime Story and there was a car
chase......and the music behind it was The Ventures "Walk Dont
Run"......and it sounded just GREAT. Was that your idea?
Mikey
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:02:21 EDT
From: Al Kooper
Subject: Re: Crime Story
Ken Silverwood:
> Hi Al, Did you have anything to do with Del Shannon's
> remake of "Runaway" which was used for the series, I think
> as the theme tune, & did you ever work with him in his time
> at Liberty records?
Nope and nope.
That was recorded b4 I got the job. Todd Rundgren was initially
hired but could not get on with producer Michael Mann. But I
don't think even Todd was involved in that recording, where
if you recall the lyrics were changed by Mann.
I never had the pleasure of working with DS but I sure was a
fan - and I was always charmed/mystified by that solo instrument
in "Runaway".
Al Kooper
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:54:00 +0100
From: Simon White
Subject: The Metropolitan SoulShow Playlist 25th April
Darrell Banks - Somebody Somewhere - Revilot
Shorty Long - Your Love Is Amazing - Soul
Fantastic Four - Can't Stop Looking For My Baby -
Jon Hendricks - No More - Verve Uk
Little Richard - Only You - Vee Jay
Silhouettes - Climb Every Mountain - Na
Buddy Bailey - Its All In The Game - Porwin
Drifters - Arthea - Atlantic
Damita Jo - I'll Save The Last Dance For You - Ranwood
Ben E King - Wheres The Girl - Atlantic
Ads - -
E Rodney Jones - R & B Time Pt1 - Tuff
The Rivals - Love Me - Lupine
Bill Blacks Combo - Twisteroo - Hi
Screamin Jay Hawkins - Just Don'T Care - Erwin
Esther Phillips - Somebody Is Taking My Place - Atlantic
Jewels - Opportunity - Colpix
Jewel Atkins - I'Ve Arrived - Era
Jay Lee Watkins - Hear My Song - Mar Vac
Maxine Davis - I Really Got It Bad For My Baby - Guyden
Kim Weston - You're Just The Kind Of Guy - Mgm
Mamie Galore - I Don't Think I Could Stand It St Lawrence -
Ads - -
Innocent Bystanders - Frantic Escape - Atlantic
Mel Carter - Midnight Brew - Amg
Sounds Of Lane - Tracks To You Mind - Cobblestone
Bernie Williams - Ever Again - Eric
Yvonne Vernee - Just Like You Did Me - Groovey Grooves
Big Maybelle - Black Is Black - Cbs Album Track
Buster And Eddie - Cant Be Still - Class
Googie Rene - There I Was - Class
Stemmons Express - Woman Lover Thief - Na
Groovin Strings And Things - You - Cub
Ads - -
Jackie Edwards - Feel So Bad - Direction
The Bobbettes - Tighten Up Your Own Home - Mayhew
Cheryl Williams - Everybodys Happy But Me - Ben Gee
The Casinos - Everybody Can'T Be Pretty - Del Val
Carmen Rivera - Pata Pata - Discos Colombus
Dorothy Ashby - Afro Harping - Cadet Album Track
Burt Keyes - Baa Ba Doo Wah - Clock
Frankie Lymon - I'm Sorry - Big Apple
Little Anthony - Never Again - Dcp
Royalettes - It's A Big Mistake - MGM
http://www.Soul24-7.com
The World's leading SOUL Music URL
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:24:26 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Girls With Guitars
Julio Nino:
> ...I've just read that nex month ACE Records is going to release
> a new Girl Groups compilation: "Girls With Guitars", and I wonder
> if Mick Patrick (who I bet is involved in that compilation) could
> give us an advance of the track list.
I admit, I made Ace Records do it. Sometime soon, there should be a
page of info on their website. I'll shout when that appears. The CD
is subtitled "All-Girl Bands, Axe-Backed Babes and the like . . ."
Get the picture? Here's what's on it:
Girls With Guitars (Ace CDCHD 989)
1. The Girls - My Baby (Capitol 5528) 1965
2. The Tomboys - I'd Rather Fight Than Switch (Swan 4181) 1964
3. The Angels - Get Away From Me (unissued Swan)
4. Denise and Company - Boy, What'll You Do Then (Wee 107) 1966
5. Goldie and the Gingerbreads - Chew Chew Fee Fi Fum (Spokane 4005) 1964
6. The Beattle-ettes - Only Seventeen (Jubilee 5472) 1964
7. Sugar and the Spices - Do The Dog (Stacy 968) 1963
8. Kathy Lynn and the Playboys - I Got A Guy (Swan 4193) 1964
9. The Goodees - Double Shot (Of My Baby's Love) (Hip LP HIS 7002) 1969
10. The Pandoras - (I Could Write A Book) About My Baby (Liberty 55954) 1967
11. Pat Powdrill and the Powerdrills - They Are The Lonely (Downey 141) 1966
12. The 2 Of Clubs - Heart (Fraternity 972) 1966
13. The Daughters Of Eve - Help Me Boy (USA 891) 1967
14. Goldie and the Gingerbreads - Skinnie Vinnie (Spokane 4005) 1964
15. The Percells - Hully Gully Guitar (ABC Paramount 10476) 1964
16. Kathy Lynn and the Playboys - Rock City (Swan 4175) 1964
17. Lonnie Mack and the Charmaines - Sticks And Stones (Trip LP 9522) 1976
18. Goldie and the Gingerbreads - Take My Hand (Pricewise LP 4004) 1965
19. Sugar and the Spices - Boys Can Be Mean (Tollie 9013) 1964
20. Al Casey with the K-C-Ettes - Guitars, Guitars, Guitars (Stacy 964) 1963
21. Goldie and the Gingerbreads - V.I.P. (Pricewise LP 4004) 1965
22. The Hairem - Come On Along (Ace CDWIKD 192) 1999
23. The Girls - My Love (Capitol 5528) 1965
24. She - Outta Reach (Kent 4525) 1970
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:29:27 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Kit Kats/New Hope Yahoo! Group
So.......the Kit Kats/New Hope are among the most talked about acts
at Spectropop, eh? Well, wouldn't it be nice to have a place where
all you talk about is the Kit Kats?
Yes, it would! So I have formed a Kit Kats discussion group! I would
like to extend a hearty welcome to any Spectropopper who would like
to join. To subscribe: kitkats_newhope-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Thank you!
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 20:25:50 -0000
From: Ed B
Subject: 1966 Local Boston hits
Growing up in Boston during the 60's quite a few records
charted that don't appear to have been national hits
aside from the Remains, Ramrods etc.
Looking for information on the following:
Let's Call It A Day Girl/Avril(April) - The Razor's Edge
Pow 101
Surfing East Coast/I Should Have Stayed - The Dolphins
Yorkshire 125
As a footnote, I recall hearing Spencer Davis on radio
with Gimme Some Lovin' and thinking why were they doing a
cover of The Jordan Brothers, which was top 10 in Boston
early 67'
Ed
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:03:05 -0000
From: bonnieb22002
Subject: Re: Ruby & The Romantics
Phil Chapman wrote (some time ago):
> I searched for a Ruby & The Romantics CD compilation,
> only to find that it omitted one of their (IMO) best
> tracks: "Your Baby Doesn't Love You Anymore". The only
> credit on my 45 is writer: 'Weiss' - does anybody have
> any further information? The production has the flavour
> of Jerry Riopelle/Teddy Randazzo.
It was arranged by Alan Lorber, produced by Tom Catalano.
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:17:21 -0000
From: Peter Grad
Subject: Re: Knickerbockers
Phil X. Milstein wrote:
> Conversation has focused on Long Island groups... but I see
> someone mentioned the Knickerbockers ("Lies," "One Track Mind").
> Few may know that this English-sounding group was headed by two
> brothers from the Bronx (names escape me at moment) but they grew
> up in the same building I did in the 50's and 60's: 660 Arnow Ave.,
> Parkside Projects in the northeast Bronx. Then how is it they
> (apparently) named their band after a road in Bergen County, N.J.?
Phil
See Austin's post re: Knickerbockers' Jersey relation... the brothers
lived in my building into the mid 60's, and must left around 65, 66,
just around the time, or just before, they formed the band.
Actually, I once thought they named themselves after an old beer...
Peter
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:29:19 +0100
From: Ken Silverwood
Subject: Re: the price of love
Kingsley Abbot wrote:
> In 1962 I'd say that singles were 6s 3d -- they went to 6s 8d (3
> for a pound) circa late '63 ish.
For some reason 32s 11d sticks in my mind as the price for albums
at that time.
What about Pye Golden Guinea & Decca Ace of Clubs? Weren't they
all 21shillings (as in Guinea == 1 pound 1shilling). I recall a Brian Poole
& The Tremeloes album, "Hits of 1962," coming out on Ace of Clubs
before they hit in the UK with "Do You Love Me."
Ken On The West Coast.
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:41:29 EDT
From: Mike Rashkow
Subject: What Hath God Wrought?
Well hello out there in music land. It is possible that a great day in my
digital life has finally arrived. With the grace of God and the guidance of
a friend I have managed to upload my first file to musica.
To mark this special day in my life I have gone back to the archives and
selected for your listening enjoyment what is possibly the most unusual
record I ever heard, and one that I went to a great deal of trouble to obtain.
About 12-15 years ago, while looking for something interresting on the
radio, I came across this cut somewhere in the middle. I found it startling.
Of course, it being a Latin station, if they even identified the thing I couldn't
understand it.
So I went to NYC, started going to all the Latino "one-stops" along 8th
Avenue, and tried describing the record to the people in the stores. After
three or four places, finally someone understood what I was looking for and
actually had the cassette.
If you listen to it, listen all the way through. Do not listen to the first 32 bars
and assume I've gone over the edge. It will surprise you for sure. I think
you will be as amazed as I was then and remain today.
Now playing at musica, the Puerto Rican salsa artist, Willy Chirino: Yo Soy
Un Tipo Tipico.
Di (ho) la,
Rashkovsky
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:48:56 -0700
From: Hal Muskat
Subject: Re: Tex & The Chex
Jonathan wrote:
> The first night I met Rod, he drove me out to Queens to introduce me
> to his best friend, Freddy "Hey Girl" Scott. The last time Rod's name
> came up was a few years ago, talking to Freddy. He said Rod was
> living in Puerto Rico, playing baseball -- but still protective of Rod's
> privacy, didn't feel at liberty to give me Rod's number. I wish he would
> have.
Wow Jonathan, I'm sitting here with smoke and coffee and pounding surf
out the window, and I'm just friggin lovin your story! Y'all never made
it to the cover of the Rolling Stone? Why did he move to PR? What the
hell is he doing? Can Freddy hip him to this discussion? How many home
runs and stolen bases?
Freddy, tell him this Syosset boy remembers him well. Thanks ya all.
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:44:46 -0400
From: pres
Subject: Re: Anita Humes & The Essex
Bob Rashkow wrote:
> Anita Humes had a SOLO single!? I'm intrigued. The Essex
> was the bomb, I love everything they ever did, I'm desperately
> trying to find "What Did I Do?"/"Curfew Lover" on a single.
> It did not chart nor bubble under to 130 and I have not heard
> that cool record since 1964!
Not a single but Curfew Lover is available on Collectibles' "Easier Said
Than Done/A Walkin' Miracle" CD, available at:
http://www.oldies.com/product/view.cfm/id_62042.html
pres
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