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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: pupils and robots
From: Phil X Milstein
2. Re: Good behind the glass
From: Stephane Rebeschini
3. Re: Chicago bands
From: Gary Myers
4. Re: Ann D'Andre[a]
From: Peter Lerner
5. Re: Ann D'Andre[a]
From: Joop Jansen
6. Knight Rider soundtrack
From: Stu Phillips
7. Re: Good behind the glass
From: Joe
8. Re: more Ann D'andre(a)
From: Howard Earnshaw
9. Re: Live "Smile"
From: Florence Gray
10. Re: two Austin Roberts rarities
From: Bob Rashkow
11. pre-fame inquiry
From: Phil X Milstein
12. Re: Chicago bands / James Holvay
From: Clark Besch
13. Gardena Records
From: Karl Ikola
14. Re: Chicago Bands
From: S.J. Dibai
15. CCR on Autumn?
From: Phil Sunset
16. April Young versus Andrea Carroll
From: Mick Patrick
17. Re: Gardena Records
From: Karl Ikola
18. WCBS
From: Bill George
19. Re: CCR on Autumn?
From: Bryan
20. Re: Honey Ltd
From: Bill George
21. Caesar & Cleo
From: Rob
22. "This Time Tomorrow"
From: Phil X Milstein
23. Re: April Young versus Andrea Carroll
From: Roberto Lanterna
24. Re: Andrea Carroll vs. April Young
From: Julio Niño
25. Re: '60s artists on tour
From: Bob Celli
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:31:47 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: pupils and robots
Julio Niño wrote:
> Of course the compilation was made without malice -- you know that I'm
> not capable of that. I would have loved to include more songs about the
> topic (pupil in love with the teacher) but I couldn't remember anymore,
> maybe someone could add some more.
Abba did a song called "When I Kissed The Teacher," on (if I remember
correctly) their "Arrival" album. It's a gooder.
Dig,
--Phil M.
--
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new at Probe:
* That's How I Got To Memphis (in triplicate)
* Early April (Stevens)
* new “post-Sadler” and Napoleon XIV graphics
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:56:45 +0200
From: Stephane Rebeschini
Subject: Re: Good behind the glass
Phil X Milstein asked:
> Interesting! I'd never heard of Good having done any record
> production. Anyone know of other sessions he might've produced?
Hi. Jack Good also produced the "Catch My Soul" soundtrack in 1973
(Metromedia BML1-0176), with Richie Havens, Tony Joe White, Delaney
& Bonnie, Lance LeGault. It was a gospel/rock version of "Othello"!
Stephane
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:01:45 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: Chicago bands
Mike Bennidict wrote:
> The Buckinghams had a number of hits ... Don't know if this
> one made the national charts but it's Beatle's cover that goes
> something like You know if you brake my heart in two, can't
> think of the title to it.
"I'll Be Back" (from "Beatles '65), which never charted nationally as a single
for anyone. It was also covered by Milwaukee's Ricochettes. (And, it's another
nice minor to major thing). :- )
gem
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:21:14 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Ann D'Andre[a]
Kingsley Abbott asked:
> So that's two Ann D'A singles -- anyone know of any more?
A small amount of research has revealed Jamie 1352, which is "Don't Stop
Lookin'," with the same song as an instrumental on the B-side. No idea
about the credits.
Peter
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:05:14 -0000
From: Joop Jansen
Subject: Re: Ann D'Andre[a]
Kingsley Abbott asked:
> So that's two Ann D'A singles -- anyone know of any more?
Another single Ann did in 1964 on the Philips label (#40235) was:
"Three Days, Seven Hours, Twenty Minutes" / "Baby, Be Good To Me."
See: http://www.singlesdb.com/d/annd-andre.php
Joop greets
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:22:44 -0000
From: Stu Phillips
Subject: Knight Rider soundtrack
Hi group members. For those of you who might be fans of the music I
composed for the "Knight Rider" TV show, there is new "Knight Rider"
soundtrack CD just released this week. Listening samples are available
at http://www.filmscoremonthly.com . Personally autographed copies are
available at http://www.stuwho.com . This is a first class CD, with 79
minutes of music and a full color 16-page booklet.
Stu Phillips
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:11:07 +0100
From: Joe
Subject: Re: Good behind the glass
Phil X. Milstein asked:
> Interesting! I'd never heard of Good having done any record
> production. Anyone know of other sessions he might've produced?
He produced a lot of records -- Lord Rockingham's 11, P.J. Proby, the
first Blues Incorporated album, etc. There must be a Jack Good expert
hereabouts!
Joe
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:12:17 EDT
From: Howard Earnshaw
Subject: Re: more Ann D'andre(a)
Kingsley Abbott asked:
> So that's two Ann D'A singles -- anyone know of any more?
Been into the soul loft and pulled out the third Ann D'Andrea single. It is,
as I stated earlier:
Jamie 1352 (J-ADA-4): Don't Stop Lookin' (corrected spelling!)
wr. Bauer & Gale
B-side is an instumental version of the top side
So that's three, any more?
Howard
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:48:04 -0400
From: Florence Gray
Subject: Re: Live "Smile"
Thanks to the many who have sent links to the music, reviews and
observations about the live SMiLE performance. You've all been a
wonderful resource and I appreciate it.
Lost in the mystery, but never known as a non-believer,
Florie
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:03:12 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: two Austin Roberts rarities
Aaarrghhh!! There you are again in my 45s collection, Austin Roberts! You
and Robert John sang "Haunted" by Tuesday on Buddah? I wish I did know what
the B-side is, I have a DJ copy of this 1975 recording, with the same song
on both sides. It's a great song! I picked up a copy at a rummage sale at
Lake Forest College when I was a student there, and held on to it because
it really grew on me. I had no idea!
Bobster
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:47:28 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: pre-fame inquiry
I've been doing a little research into the pre-fame histories of some of
my favorite pop acts. In the course of that I've run into a few snags,
which perhaps y'all can help me with:
* What was the deal with Gardena Records, who had Paul Revere & The
Raiders prior to their move to L.A., and to Columbia Records? I imagine
they were located in the Northwest, but in what city particularly? Who
owned/ran it? It wasn't a Jerden subsid, was it? Is any of their Gardena
material readily available?
* I have a Design or Pickwick post-fame reissue of what seems to be
pre-fame Raiders recordings. Album contents are: Mojo Workout / Rinky
Dink / Hey Baby / Honky Tonk / Crisco / Shake Rattle And Roll / Don’t Be
Cruel / So Fine / Bles Stay Away / Work With Me Annie. Does anyone know
if this was a straight reissue of an earlier album, a collection of
singles, or what?
* I've found a listing for several Caesar & Cleo singles:
Do You Want To Dance / Love Is Strange (Reprise 0308, 1964)
Let The Good Times Roll / Love Is Strange (Reprise 0419, 1965)
The Letter / Spring Fever (Vault 909, 1964; r Vault 916, 1965)
The first are obviously aka Sonny & Cher, but is the Vault release also
by them, or by another group with the same name? I don't recall having
heard those titles in association with S&C.
* Does anyone know if Creedence Clearwater Revival, under whatever name
(perhaps Blue Velvets), ever came close to signing with Tom Donahue's
Autumn label? They seem like they would've been a natural fit.
* What is the availability status of recordings by The Squires, of Neil
Young fame? On a similar tack, have any of the Mynah Birds recordings,
done (with the future Rick James singing lead) for Motown but unreleased
(apparently due to the discovery of James's AWOL military status) ever
emerged?
That's it for now. Thanks for your help,
--Phil M.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:42:50 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Chicago bands / James Holvay
Mike Bennidict wrote:
> Some of these bands were known but you may not know these
> particular songs unless you lived in the Chicago area...
Mike, funny that some of these bands you mention were heavily
influenced by our own S'popper, James Holvay. The Buckinghams' pre-
"Kind of a Drag" records were all hits in Chicago. "I'll Go Crazy",
"I Call Your name" and "I've Been Wrong" were all covers, but they
hit paydirt nationally with the songs co-written by Holvay. "Kind of
a Drag", "Don't You Care", "Hey Baby" and "Susan" were all 1967
greats co-written by James. There's a long great story there, but
I'll let James expand if he wishes. Hopefully, he'll write a book on
his story one of these days. As for the Beatles' cover you mention,
it was "I'll Be back". Altho not a 45 in the US, the record WAS a 45
in the Philippines and was #1 for some 9 weeks there.
The American Breed and Mauds were both great products out of Bill
Traut's Dunwich Productions troup. The Breed had that polished sound
that so many would try to copy in the following years and the Mauds
had a great R&B feel missing in some of the Chicago bands of the
day. "Step Out of Your Mind" was a big hit nationally, but they had
2 minor hits before that and numerous 45s under their previous name,
Gary & the Knight Lites. The Mauds' "Hold On" had a little
controversy over the lyrics and thus have 2 lyrical versions that
were released (one as Dj only) on Mercury. One was sang "Hold On,
I'm Comin'" while the Dj alternate sang "Hold On, Don't You Worry".
Strange, since Sam & Dave's hit had been well known already. All 3 of
these bands had horn arrangements after James Holvay's "The Mob"
paved the way with their RNB horn rock was becoming well known around
Chicago.
The New Colony 6 certainly did great ballads. Those early songs they
did that you mention were very big in Chicago indeed. "I Confess"
was their first 45 and "You're Gonna Be Mine" was the great followup
to "Love You So Much". They had many 45s for their Centaur/Sentar/
Sentaur label and most all were big in Chicago, before signing with
Mercury and moving on to national stardom. Anyone wanna pipe in?
James? MopTopMike?
BTW, Mr. Holvay informed me that the strings and French horns for
Chicago's huge hit, "If You Leave me Now", were orchestrated by
Jimmie Haskell also!
Take care, Clark
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:29:50 -0700
From: Karl Ikola
Subject: Gardena Records
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> What was the deal with Gardena Records, who had Paul Revere & The
> Raiders prior to their move to L.A., and to Columbia Records?
Gardena Records was based in Gardena, Calif. I believe the same
people were behind the United Pacific label. Gardena isn't too far
from Downey, home of Downey Records...Kind of a sleazy South Los
Angeles town, Gardena. I used to drive a cab in SoCal circa '87-88,
and Gardena had a big card/gambling house before they had
proliferated elsewhere in the state.
KI
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:46:47 -0000
From: S.J. Dibai
Subject: Re: Chicago Bands
Mike Bennidict:
> Some of these bands were known but you may not know these
> particular songs unless you lived in the Chicago area.
I know all of these except the Buckinghams' cover of "I'll Be Back"
(though their very Chicagoan reworking of "I Call Your Name" is
mighty good!). Though I am a Philadelphian, my interest in regional
'60s music (plus having a friend who grew up in Chicago in the '60s)
piqued my interest in what the Windy City had to offer. They had
quite an intriguing scene.
> * The Buckinghams had a number of hits like Kind Of a Drag and
> Don't You Care but how about these [earlier local hits]?
I think that their tracks for the USA label reflect what they were
really about. The Columbia hits sound wonderful on the radio, but
are just a bit too slick, "Mercy Mercy Mercy" excepted. Is it true
that WLS only played an edit of "Susan" that didn't have the weird
musique concrete in the middle?
> * The American Breed had a few local hits including You Gotta Step
> Out of Your Mind.
That one did pretty well nationally, too (#24 on the Hot 100). It's
the kind of record that makes you frustrated with oldies stations
that stick exclusively with "Bend Me, Shape Me." Those oldies
programmers need to step out of their minds!
> * Many might think of The New Colony 6 being a ballad group but in
> the mid-60s when the started they put out more rock stuff like I
> Confess and You're Gonna Be Mine.
"I Confess" is the ultimate proof of how supportive radio was of
local acts in those days--#2 on WLS??? No offense to our Chicago
members, but that's one of those records that has me in tears of
laughter by the time it's over. I love it dearly, though. I like
"Love You So Much" a lot, too. Some of their later easy listening
stuff is also good, but the problem with this band was that they were
sort of hit-or-miss no matter what they did.
> *The Mauds
They hit #85 on the Hot 100 on '68 with "Soul Drippin'." I heard that
one and "Hold On I'm Comin'" a couple of years ago and they left me
cold.
Let's not forget The Cryan' Shames while we're at it. A lot of bands
tried to emulate the experimentations of "Pet Sounds" and "Revolver,"
but the Shames' "A Scratch In The Sky" is an album that did so with
surprisingly tasty results.
S.J. Dibai
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:02:08 -0000
From: Phil Sunset
Subject: CCR on Autumn?
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> Does anyone know if Creedence Clearwater Revival, under whatever
> name (perhaps Blue Velvets), ever came close to signing with Tom
> Donahue's Autumn label? They seem like they would've been a natural
> fit.
It doesn't appear so according to this page:
http://www.creedence-online.net/history.php
phil
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:36:12 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: April Young versus Andrea Carroll
Julio Niño:
> ... I didn't imagine that (April Young's) discography was so brief.
> Is "This Time Tomorrow" the same song that was recorded by Tammy
> Montgomery on Checker?
Me:
> Negative. Actually, it's the same song that was recorded by Andrea
> Carroll on Big Top. When space becomes available, I'll post both
> versions to musica.
Find both versions now playing at musica. Details are:
April Young "This Time Tomorrow" (Columbia 4-43046, 1964) Written by
Lenore Rosenblatt and Victor Millrose, Produced by (Jerry) Ross
Associates. Obviously, Jerry Ross and/or his associates had been
listening to the Essex.
Andrea Carroll "This Time Tomorrow" (Big Top 515, 1964) Written by
Lenor Rosenblatt and Victor Millrose, a Bright Tunes Production (ie
the Tokens). Backing vocals by Ellie Greenwich and the Chiffons.
Click to hear: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Great songwriting team, Rosenblatt and Milrose - "Tomorrow Is Another
Day", anyone?
Any questions?
Hey la,
Mick
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:42:46 -0700
From: Karl Ikola
Subject: Re: Gardena Records
Phil X Milstein wrote:
> What was the deal with Gardena Records, who had Paul Revere & The
> Raiders prior to their move to L.A., and to Columbia Records?
Me:
> Gardena Records was based in Gardena, Calif. I believe the same
> people were behind the United Pacific label.
United Superior was the label I was thinking of. Budget blues label.
If anyone knows if the two labels were connected, I'd like to know
more myself. KI
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:36:31 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: WCBS
I haven't weighed in on this, as I've been out of town so much lately
I hadn't noticed the change. But as someone in their 30s, I am firmly
in the "desired" demographic. WCBS wasn't the only station I listened
to, but it was probably my second most-listened-to station, after
WFUV. My alarm clock was set to it. It just amazes me that New York
City, the biggest in the country, doesn't have any stations that play
country or jazz, and now oldies. We are the most diverse city in the
country, if not the world, and it seems our radio stations would
reflect that diversity. But alas, no. Well, I can't complain too much
as I will only be living here for three more weeks. I hope Vancouver
has some good stations. If not, I'll just keep listening to my CDs
like I do now. Are there any good stations left anywhere?
Bill
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:26:38 -0700
From: Bryan
Subject: Re: CCR on Autumn?
Phil X Milstein asked:
> Does anyone know if Creedence Clearwater Revival, under whatever
> name (perhaps Blue Velvets), ever came close to signing with Tom
> Donahue's Autumn label? They seem like they would've been a natural
> fit.
Can't offer any info about CCR (probably the Golliwogs or the Blue
Velvets) being offered a deal by Autumn, but Bob Keane (or Keene,
if you prefer) actually signed Spider Webb & The Insects, a band led
by Tom Fogerty. The group did one single for Del-Fi before breaking
up. And, Randy Fuller (of the Bobby Fuller Four) also told me that he
and his brother Bobby saw The Golliwogs one time (they might have been
on the same bill) and raved about them to Keane, telling him he should
sign the band because they were going to be huge. Keane didn't. The
Golliwogs eventually became Creedence Clearwater Revival and not
too long after that they signed with Fantasy.
Bryan
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:41:03 EDT
From: Bill George
Subject: Re: Honey Ltd
Honey Ltd. reminds me of the Carrie Nations from Beyond the Valley of
the Dolls! :)
Bill
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 03:53:45 -0000
From: Rob
Subject: Caesar & Cleo
Phil M:
> I've found a listing for several Caesar & Cleo singles:
> Do You Want To Dance / Love Is Strange (Reprise 0308, 1964)
> Let The Good Times Roll / Love Is Strange (Reprise 0419, 1965)
> The Letter / Spring Fever (Vault 909, 1964; r Vault 916, 1965)
> The first are obviously aka Sonny & Cher, but is the Vault release
> also by them, or by another group with the same name? I don't
> recall having heard those titles in association with S&C.
The Letter/Spring Fever is also Sonny&Cher........Spring Fever is an
instrumental, and The Letter isn't the Box Tops song.....it's a cover
of the Don & Dewey song.....written by Harris-Terry.
Rob
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:19:38 -0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: "This Time Tomorrow"
Mick Patrick wrote:
> Find both versions now playing at musica. Details are:
What a great find! Terrific song, and both versions have their
virtues. April Young's features a rippin' guitar solo, but my vote
goes to Andrea Carroll's, for its hamfisted attempt at the Wall of
Spector, led by a drummer who sounds like he's pounding his shoe on
the recording console -- in perfect time, no less.
This song kicks. Are there other versions out there?
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roberto Lanterna
Subject: Re: April Young versus Andrea Carroll
Mick Patrick:
> Find both versions now playing at musica. Details are:
> April Young "This Time Tomorrow" (Columbia 4-43046, 1964) Written
> by Lenore Rosenblatt and Victor Millrose, Produced by (Jerry) Ross
> Associates. Obviously, Jerry Ross and/or his associates had been
> listening to the Essex.
> Andrea Carroll "This Time Tomorrow" (Big Top 515, 1964) Written by
> Lenor Rosenblatt and Victor Millrose, a Bright Tunes Production (ie
> the Tokens). Backing vocals by Ellie Greenwich and the Chiffons.
> Click to hear: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Hi Mick, thanks for the songs. Which is the original?
Roberto
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:46:37 -0000
From: Julio Niño
Subject: Re: Andrea Carroll vs. April Young
Mick Patrick wrote about "This Time Tomorrow":
> Find both versions now playing at musica ...
Hola everybody,
Thanks, Mick, for inviting us to the exciting combat between Andrea
Carroll and April Young. I like both versions, but my favorite is without
doubt Andrea's. I find it more convincing. Her voice sounds more teen, naive
and sweeter, which I think suits better this song, and I love the production,
full of fantasy and craziness (the cavernous and forceful drum are great).
I'm going to try to cook something eatable. I must pay a lot of attention
because I´m a rather dangerous cook, I always burn everything. I'm very
spacey and often forget that I have something cooking. Luckily, usually
my cats warn me (running scared meowing hysterically from the kitchen
in flames).
Chao,
Julio Niño
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:32:10 -0000
From: Bob Celli
Subject: Re: '60s artists on tour
Phil Hall wrote:
> Bobby Vee is on tour this summer, as are many other 60's acts. Also
> on tour are Lou Christie, Martha Reeves & The Vandellas, Carole King,
> The Everly Brothers and Chuck Berry, to name just a few.
"True Legends of Pop" is a tour conceived by Bobby Vee -- you can find out
all about their appearances on http://www.bobbyvee.net There is also a video
on the site interviewing Vee and Fabian in regards to the show ... and
Judy Craig still belts it out! An aside on her is that when that show was
conceived, the artists were asked to provide old and new promo photos, etc.,
and Judy hadsaved absolutely nothing from the early days of The Chiffons. I
wonder how many artists actually have a complete collection of their work?
Bob
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