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There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Terry Cashman
From: Florie Gray
2. Busy Doin' Somethin' Else - Beach Boys fan convention 16 July
From: Susan
3. Re: "Over The Weekend"
From: Phil Hall
4. Re: Neon Philharmonic
From: Christian Steiner
5. Reparata And the Delrons
From: Ian Slater
6. Re: Terry Cashman
From: Austin Roberts
7. Re: "Over The Weekend"
From: Gary Myers
8. Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels
From: Martin Roberts
9. Re: Terry Cashman
From: Fred Clemens
10. Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"
From: Richard Havers
11. Re: Terry Cashman
From: Joe Nelson
12. The Fatback Band
From: Mick Patrick
13. [PLS HOLD] Re: Baseball Songs
From: Various
14. Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol 3
From: Various
15. Re: Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"
From: Dave Monroe
16. Review - Al Kooper's new CD
From: ACJ
17. Re: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels & Sly Stone
From: Phil X Milstein
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:48:56 -0400
From: Florie Gray
Subject: Re: Terry Cashman
Larry Bromley asked:
> Is this Cashman the one co-wrote pop hits as part of the Cashman-
> West team?
Terry Cashman was indeed the Cashman from Cashman and West, and,
earlier, was part of Cashman, Pistilli & West. Their "American City
Suite" was quite unusual for the time -- a "pocket symphony" (to use
Brian Wilson's term) which was very beautiful and really quite
prescient.
Florie Gray
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:54:41 EDT
From: Susan
Subject: Busy Doin' Somethin' Else - Beach Boys fan convention 16 July
A final reminder that a Beach Boys fan convention will be held in
Southbury CT this Saturday, 16 July. In attendance will be original
Beach Boys David Marks; lyricist Stephen Kalinich, the only person to
write with all three Wilson brothers; and Jon Stebbins, author of the
definitive Dennis Wilson biography, The Real Beach Boy.
Admission is $50 at the door. Full information can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/shutdownsusan/Somethin_Else.html - hope to
see some of you there!
Susan
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:07:26 -0000
From: Phil Hall
Subject: Re: "Over The Weekend"
Gary Myers on the Playboys' "Over The Weekend":
> Love that song!
I thought I was the only person alive who even *remembers* that song.
I recall it got some airplay on American Bandstand, I think in the
summer of '58. Classic slow-dance tune of it's time.
And that brings to mind Johnny & The Blockbusters rendition of "For
The First Time" from the same time period. I can't find anything
substantive about the Playboys on the internet, but Johnny Olenn of
The Blockbusters still performs occasionally. Some of Johnny's songs
are available on the Ace UK CD "Rock All Night".
Phil H.
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:45:57 +0200
From: Christian Steiner
Subject: Re: Neon Philharmonic
Hi! "No one is going to hurt you" definitely was a single. I have a
radio commercial 45 promoting it as the follow-up to "Morning girl".
Does anyone else have interesting commercial singles promoting
records? I have another one for the "...strawberries..." - album by
THE COLLECTION and one for SPANKY & OUR GANG's "greatest hits" as
well as some singles offering german records.
Krischan
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:16:15 +0100
From: Ian Slater
Subject: Reparata And the Delrons
Great to hear of a compilation by this great girl group, especially
if some more unissued tracks can be unearthed. I'm sure someone will
correct me if I'm wrong, but the "group" had neither any of the same
members nor any part of the same name as that which finished! On
their first record on Laurie, they were the "Del-Rons" and on their
final recordings just "Reparata"! But the sound and style didn't
change much and most of their output was great. The only
disappointment to me was the "Rock n Roll Revolution" LP.
Ian Slater
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:24:07 EDT
From: Austin Roberts
Subject: Re: Terry Cashman
Florie Gray:
> Terry Cashman was indeed the Cashman from Cashman and West, and,
> earlier, was part of Cashman, Pistilli & West. Their "American City
> Suite" was quite unusual for the time -- a "pocket symphony" (to
> use Brian Wilson's term) which was very beautiful and really quite
> prescient.
Just as an aside, Terry Cashman gave me my first writing deal when he
was the head of ABC Music. I was on leave from the Marine Corps. in
1967 and played him some songs; he said basically, if you're still
alive, come back when you get out and we'll pay you $75 a week and
give you a cubicle and a wollensack. I started in feb. 1968.
Best, Austin Roberts
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:41:38 -0700
From: Gary Myers
Subject: Re: "Over The Weekend"
Me, earlier: on the Playboys' "Over The Weekend":
> Love that song!
Phil Hall:
> I thought I was the only person alive who even remembers that song.
I was in Bradenton, FL at the time, and heard it pretty much there.
> I can't find anything substantive about the Playboys on the internet
There was a story about them, probably 6-7 yrs ago, in one of the
collector's magazines, but I don't remember which one.
gem
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:37:45 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels
The S'pop Team wrote:
> The liner notes accompanying "Magic Hollow", the 2005 CD box set by
> the Beau Brummels, refer to their recordings produced at Gold Star
> Studios in 1964 as "the band's holy grail". Until then those tracks
> had only ever been rumoured to exist. Now's your chance to read a
> first hand account of the session by the actual producer, Al Hazan:
> http://www.spectropop.com/BeauBrummels/index.htm
I look forward to Al Hazan's writings on music and the folk he was
involved with. His tales are informative and his attention to the
details often presents amusing stories. His writings on working with
Jack Nitzsche both for the Nitzsche site and his own well display his
talents. His piece on the Beau Brummels is another fine example of
his writing skills. Well worth checking out the piece.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:28:34 -0000
From: Fred Clemens
Subject: Re: Terry Cashman
Terry Cashman was earlier known as Dennis Minogue when he fronted a
group, the Chevrons ("Lullabye"), on Brent Records in 1959-1960.
Fred Clemens
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:59:40 +0100
From: Richard Havers
Subject: Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"
Does anyone know if it's Georgie Fame playing the Hammond on Nita
Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"?
Thanks in anticipation,
Richard
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:41:55 -0400
From: Joe Nelson
Subject: Re: Terry Cashman
Austin Roberts:
> Just as an aside, Terry Cashman gave me my first writing deal when
> he was the head of ABC Music. I was on leave from the Marine Corps.
> in 1967 and played him some songs; he said basically, if you're
> still alive, come back when you get out and we'll pay you $75 a
> week and give you a cubicle and a wollensack. I started in Feb 1968.
Just out of interest, am I mistaken or was that a one year "trial"
deal? As we've discussed offlist, the fact that you were under that
contract cost you the writer credit to one of your best early songs,
"I'll Smile", the B side of "Mary And Me" (Austin's first solo
single). (Many producers ask for the publishing on songs they produce.
Because of Austin's ABC-Pampco contract this wasn't possible, so in a
compromise he agreed to give up writer credit on his B sides to Bill
and Steve Jerome, who placed it with their BMI company, ironically
named Good And Truthful Music.) Apparently by the time you hooked up
with Paul Leka the ABC contract was moot and the publishing on those
songs went to Leka's ASCAP company.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:16:58 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: The Fatback Band
Any fans of the Fatback Band out there? I can't say I know much
of their stuff, but I know a good article when I red one. Might
I recommend:
The Last Of The Great Dance Bands
THE STORY OF BILL CURTIS AND THE FATBACK BAND
by Bill Buckley (of Blues and Soul Magazine)
at this URL: http://tinyurl.com/d2yaz
Gotta go, Shameless has started.
Hey la,
Mick Patrick
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:50 +0100
From: Various
Subject: [PLS HOLD] Re: Baseball Songs
One topic, several posts:
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Gawd, I miss Steve Goodman! I suppose no compilation of Baseball
songs would be complete without some of his work, like
A DYING CUBS FAN'S LAST REQUEST
GO CUBS GO;
and, of course his own rendition of TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALLGAME.
Went to do some fact checking after pontificating about my knowledge
of Terry Cashman (which is almost nil) and found the following:
More than just a baseball fan, Cashman played minor league ball in
the Detroit Tigers organization in 1959 and 1960. He was also making
records as the lead singer of a group called The Chevrons, and even
appeared with the group on American Bandstand at the time he was
playing professional baseball. Cashman later composed songs with Gene
Pistilli and Tommy West, recorded songs as part of the team of
Cashman & West, and he produced all of Jim Croce's records.
The site from which I copied the above paragraph is:
http://www.kcmets.com/Feature032502.html
Florie Gray
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Dan Hughes wrote:
> One more -- does anyone know a barbershop quartet version of "Take
> Me Out To The Ball Game," in which the singers sing the right
> words, but they get ahead of themselves and run out of lyrics
> before the music is done? A very funny effect; Larry King used to
> play it on his overnight radio show.
My beloved Skeletons from Springfield, MO did such a version on their
"In The Flesh" CD many moons ago. I can't do the "musica" thing, but
since it is out-of-print, maybe someone else can make it available.
I just bought tickets on line to see the Morells (made up of most of
the Skeletons) 8/20 in Cleveland.
Tom Taber
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Dan Hughes wrote:
> One more -- does anyone know a barbershop quartet version of "Take
> Me Out To The Ball Game," ...
Was it this:
(take me) out to the ball game, take me
out to the park, buy me
some peanuts and cracker jack, I don't
care if I never get back, so let's
root-root-root for the home team, if they
lose it's a shame, for it's
one-two-three strikes, you're out at the old ball
game (dead silence for the rest of the melody)
This version appeared on a VERY old Barney tape (Three Wishes, deleted
before the Purple One really took off because (so I was told by one of
the producers) most kids wouldn't recognize the tile character as
Barney (in those days he was a darker shade of purple and had a deeper
voice). Seems to fit your description.
Joe Nelson
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Beach Boys - It's Trying To Say [Baseball's On] - great song for the
first day of the season!
Susan
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:30:48 +0100
From: Various
Subject: Re: "Phil's Spectre II" - a wish for Vol 3
One topic, several posts:
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Peter Andreasen on "Phil's Spectre II: Another Wall Of Soundalikes":
> I would LOVE to see a vol. 3, and wish for it to include tracks
> like... Any other suggestions?
Mick Patrick:
> I'm already cooking up Vol III in my mind, so the door is open for
> suggestions. Please don't recommend anything that's already on the
> first two volumes. Check the track lists for those at these URLs:
> http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=4606
> http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=59&release=847
Jackie Lee - 'Cause I Love Him.
Mark Maldwyn
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I think Joe South "Rose Garden" is much more Spector sounding than
"Don't You Be Ashamed" which is really connected by the chords
progression more than the actual sound.
Also Ronnie Charles' "Layla" which to me tries very hard to out-
Spector the wall of sound.
Frank
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"He makes me feel so pretty" - Shirley Matthews - Mala 910 -
produced by Bob Crewe. Can't we have one production by Bob Crewe? Or
is he going to sue?
more54rich
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Interesting to me what's coming up as a "Spector soundalike". Here's
how I'm seeing it.
Mr Spector rarely made what I would call 'dance' tracks. This is
especially apparent when you compare his more popular productions to
contempary dance records of the day - Motown, Cameo, Dimension,
Laurie etc etc. Yes you can dance to them but you can dance to The
Carpenters instead of The Marvelettes if thats your idea of fun.
Many suggestions being put forward as potential 'soundalikes" are, to
my ears just echo-ey, dense sounding records as opposed to sparce,
more stripped down, raw recordings. I'm not sure this makes them
'soundalikes'.
Is the criteria 'records that sound as though Phil Spector could have
produced them'? Certainly records like 'Say Goodbye To Hollywood" and
"Close Your Eyes" could have been either Spector productions or are
pastiches - similarly any of Roy Woods "Wizzard" productions or Donna
Summer's "Loves Unkind". But some of the suggestions sound unlike
Spector productions to me.
He could never have produced the Clydie King sides - surely they are
far too subtle? Just a thought.
Simon White
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I might get smacked around for this, but how about the Ray Conniff
Singers' "Melodie d'Amour" from the "Happiness Is" LP? The Wall of
Sound is subtle, but it's there... Any other MOR songs with WOS
treatment you all can think of?
- Chris
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Monroe
Subject: Re: Nita Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"
Richard Havers wrote:
> Does anyone know if it's Georgie Fame playing the Hammond on Nita
> Rossi's "Every Little Day Now"?
Does anybody know anything about Nita Rossi? I've been spinning her
"Something to Give" for a while now and would really like to find a
copy of her 'Untrue, Unfaithful" on vinyl, but all I know of her is
what little is whatever might have mentioned in the notes to Where
the Girls Are Vol. 4. The Modculture site, where you'd think
somebody ought to be able to answer Richard's question, throws up its
hands as well:
http://www.modculture.co.uk/reviews/review.php?id=252
http://uppers.org/showArticle.asp?article=697
If an answer isn't forthcoming here, though, I think I know who I can
ask. Thanks in advance as well.
Dave M.
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:32:47 -0400
From: ACJ
Subject: Review - Al Kooper's new CD
I know a lot of people here don't think much of the All Music Guide,
but here is its review of Al Kooper's new CD, "Black Coffee":
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A6ckpu3esan8k
ACJ
"Optimism works. It is more useful than pessimism." - E.Y. Harburg
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:31:47 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Al Hazan & the Beau Brummels & Sly Stone
Martin Roberts wrote:
> I look forward to Al Hazan's writings on music and the folk he was
> involved with. His tales are informative and his attention to the
> details often presents amusing stories. His writings on working with
> Jack Nitzsche both for the Nitzsche site and his own well display
> his talents. His piece on the Beau Brummels is another fine example
> of his writing skills. Well worth checking out the piece.
Agreed -- this was a real fine read, not least because I've been
concentrating a lot lately on "before they were stars" stories. In
keeping with that, the listing I saw on Ace's "Phil's Spectre II"
page, as a "similar" release, for "Precious Stone: In The Studio With
Sly Stone, 1963-65," really caught my attention (and, now that I
think of it, almost ties back in with The Beau Brummels). Has anyone
heard this one? Is it up to Ace's usual impeccable standard? (And how
DO they do it?)
Dig,
--Phil M.
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* Collins Kids = metal forebears? (x2)
* roots of "Superstar" (x3)
* Darin does Sebastian (x4)
* C. Carson Parks (x5)
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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